Noob startup - 510 or smaller?

[Casp]

Hi ECF. I've be stalking for a long time. Reading your advice, clicking your links while you're away. Thought I'd register for some specific advice before buying.

What what I've read the 510 comes recommended and this might do the trick for me

Riva 510 - Carto Deluxe

However, like most people new to all this, I was looking for something smaller and probably automatic. After reading the brilliant Wonderful World of vaping thread, I saw a good review of the Joye 306 but it was 3 years old and I'm struggling to find a link to a UK website to get a decent starter kit. Also the K808 sounds ok but can you refill the cartomizer the same you do cartridges or do you have to buy new ones? I have never seen a starter kit on a UK site for this either. And what about these Halo things? I don't even know if 'Halo' is a model or just a brand, is it an auto?

My situation btw:
- UK based
- smoke 8 a day (5 min - 10 max, 10-12 when drinking a lot)
- smoke Richmond superkings which are average-to-fairly light IMO
- also only menthols these days (the wife wont have anything else)
- want to replace analogs completely and fairly soon, and lower the nicotine over a few months or however long I need to take
- not too fussed about battery life as I'll carry a spare and always near computers/chargers

Do you think there are any suitable options smaller than a 510 that are still suitable? Will it compromise hugely on throat hit and vapour and scupper my plans to kick analogs? Just looking for some pointers and hopefully links please. It seems as hard to find what you want as it is to make the decision!

 

[KarenB]

I just moved up from a 510 to a Ego-t units. The drawback (for me) with the 510 is the cartridge itself (and battery life). I was switching out batteries every 2 hours with the 510 but with the Ego-T I can vape for 12 hours on 1 battery (the 650mah). I am so turned off by poly cartridges because I feel they waste juice and sometimes they are DOA, thus wasting money.

This ecig stuff can be very daunting, especially when new to it. This is my third system and as far as "bang for the buck" goes so far it's working out well. I am using the Ego-T 650mah battery with a Vision eGo Clearomizer - V3 (Long Wicks, aka CE4 or Stardust). The TH is amazing and you get full flavor from the juice you are vaping. There is also a "tank" that you can use (ViVi Nova tank) that has replaceable heads.

I looked on the site that you linked and I would suggest checking out the Ego-T's as I feel you may "outgrow" the 510 battery before long.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Welcome to ECF and congrats. 510 is the most common threading while 808 is less common.
If you're thinking of buying Riva 510 - Carto Deluxe here's a better deal as it comes with 5 cartomizers and 1 clearomizer and is cheaper The VE Riva 1100 Deluxe Kit £34.95 - Deluxe Vaping Kits - Riva 1100 Kit Electronic Cigarettes | Vaping Devices | Accessories | E-Liquid
Understand the Riva is manual- with manual less chance of juice damaging battery and puts you in control...when stressed just hold the button down longer for more vape. Also has on/ off switch. Riva is true 3.7 volts while the eGo is 3.3 volts. Riva and Kgo are the same PV/ Ecig.
Realize battery info 100 mah= 1 hour normal vaping before recharge.
As for the Halo the Bloog, Smoov and Volt are all the same product. They are 808 threading and 808 accessories must be bought.

Also the K808 sounds ok but can you refill the cartomizer the same you do cartridges or do you have to buy new ones?

Yes you just buy blank cartomizers and bottles of juice and fill them yourself.

Here's a pic of the Kgo/ Riva:

And here's the Volt/ Halo

 

[Casp]

Thanks Karen. I saw some great reviews for Egos as well but they strike me as being enormous! How much did you used to smoke a day though? When you say every 2 hours, is that 2 hours of smoke time? Because that should translate as switching batteries once a day. I do this with my phone anyway.

 

[KarenB]

@ Casp. I was a 2 pack a day smoker then quit cold turkey and had stopped for 10 years. One summer I started smoking again (3 years ago) and wasn't smoking heavily but decided that when I was buying a couple of packs a week it was time for me to start vaping. I am a pretty heavy vaper and that is 2 hours "real time" ... So I suppose it really depends on how much you think you will vape once starting to.

If you only smoke 5-10 analogs a day the 510 may work for you. I like the convenience of not filling cartos all the time and switching out my batteries when out with the Ego-T system. Personal preference. I started with the 910 then moved to the 510 and now at the Ego-T's. You will find, over time, that your needs may change. If you are starting out then yes, a 510 is a great system. I used it for almost a year.

 

[Casp]

Thanks guys. The 510 seems good then. Did I read somewhere that cartomizers need replacing quite often? Is that quite expensive because I had only factored in buying the juice and reusing the same 5 or 10 cartridges.

Also do either of you know if the Joye 306 or some equivalent is still around? It seemed to pack more punch than I assume the Halo/K808s do if I'm not mistaken...

I guess I just can't imagine smoking something so big yet!

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

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id I read somewhere that cartomizers need replacing quite often? Is that quite expensive because I had only factored in buying the juice and reusing the same 5 or 10 cartridges.

Different delivery systems:
atomizer/ atty- an element on to which 3-4 drops of juice is dripped- generally used to test new juices rather than fouling up a cartos or clearo- much easier to clean.

cartridge/ cart- a container with sponge (filled with juice) that is used with the atty- juice drips on to atty from cart and is vaporized- old outdated "tank system"- prone to leaks.

cartomizer/ carto- metal tube with stuffing and element- can be refilled.

carto+tank- a carto with a hole punched in it. Carto is than placed in a glass, metal or plastic tank which is filled with juice- juice saturates carto by way of hole in carto.

Clearomizer- a plastic or metal tank with a wick and element. Contains NO stuffing.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Info is irrelevant so deleted

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

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[Casp]

Thanks for the advice ITT everyone. I just bought the 510 as linked to me by Vapoor Eyes Er. If this gets me off the cancer sticks I will owe you in ways that I can never pay!

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

You can thank Chrissie from the UK Forum as she was instrumental in having the vendor put that kit together- very popular kit in the UK. After 5 posts wait 1 hr and you can post there. Vape Escape asked vapers what they would want in a starter kit and the Riva is what he came up with- gives you the opportunity to try both the Clearomizer and cartomizers and then make a decision.

Thanks for the advice ITT everyone. I just bought the 510 as linked to me by Vapoor Eyes Er. If this gets me off the cancer sticks I will owe you in ways that I can never pay!

 

[Rickajho]

Thanks guys. The 510 seems good then. Did I read somewhere that cartomizers need replacing quite often? Is that quite expensive because I had only factored in buying the juice and reusing the same 5 or 10 cartridges.

Hi!

Yeah cartos don't typically last long. An average vaper might get 5 - 7 days out of them. But since your smoking habit is on the light side they would most likely last longer for you. Note: If you do want to try cartomizers at some point make sure they aren't low resistance (LR) cartos. Joye 510 batteries aren't made to work with LR stuff.

I stuck with an atty & cart setup for my first 8 months of vaping. They do work. And again, considering your smoking habit I doubt you would find working with them much of an inconvenience. Keep in mind that the attys do wear out and will need replacement. Having 3 spare attys would be my minimum suggested comfort zone.

Also do either of you know if the Joye 306 or some equivalent is still around? It seemed to pack more punch than I assume the Halo/K808s do if I'm not mistaken...

The 306 is still around but I haven't seen it in a complete kit lately. You can still buy the 306 atty though. This atty has 510 threads, so if you bought a Joye 510 kit it will fit your batteries. Internally, they are built different - thus the reputation for the extra punch. If you decide to try one you have to pick up special 306 cartridges too. Because of the different design regular 510 cartridges won't work with a 306.

A 510 size can work for some folks. I know a couple that was on ECF and they both quit only using Joye 510 stuff. And then they quit vaping. And then they left the forum. schniffle...

 

[NewbyNinja]

I would start with an Ego Twist. They are cheap and easy, have decent battery life, and have the power that can satisfy you when you want to step it up a bit. A cheap and generally well review tank / atty combo is the vivi nova 2.5, that would pair nicely with the ego Twist. An ego twist and vivi nova should easily run you under $50 and it was a nice power range for lower power when starting out, and higher power for when you need more.

 

[DancingHeretik]

Thanks guys. The 510 seems good then. Did I read somewhere that cartomizers need replacing quite often? Is that quite expensive because I had only factored in buying the juice and reusing the same 5 or 10 cartridges.

Also do either of you know if the Joye 306 or some equivalent is still around? It seemed to pack more punch than I assume the Halo/K808s do if I'm not mistaken...

I guess I just can't imagine smoking something so big yet!

Yes, the 306 is definitely still around. 306 kits are rare though. Most people just use the 306 atty on 510 or Ego batteries since it's the same threading.

About a month into vaping, I discovered the 306. I liked it so much that it's all I used for about 6 months - a 306 atty, a drip tip, and a 510 280mah battery. A 306 cartridge doesn't hold enough juice to even bother with. So, I went straight to dripping instead.

If you don't mind dripping, another really good choice is a 510-t atty. It's basically just a 510. But, it doesn't flood as easily as a regular 510 atty and has a more consistent flavor.

I have also seen 306 cartomizers a couple of places. But, I haven't tried them yet.

The one thing to remember with 510 batteries is that you can only use SR (standard resistance) atomizers/cartomizers with them. They won't survive long if you try to use LR (low resistance) on them.

If you want to use LR atties or cartos, you should really step up to a larger battery.

As little as you smoke, I think the 510 kit will likely be all you need. Good luck!

 

[derath]

I would start with an Ego Twist. They are cheap and easy, have decent battery life, and have the power that can satisfy you when you want to step it up a bit. A cheap and generally well review tank / atty combo is the vivi nova 2.5, that would pair nicely with the ego Twist. An ego twist and vivi nova should easily run you under $50 and it was a nice power range for lower power when starting out, and higher power for when you need more.

+1 for this, those aint bad Variable voltage units and you get to taste the juice with different voltage

 

[Casp]

Update: I accidently a bright pink Riva 1100



Wat do?

This is the most disappointed I have been for some time. It's not Vape Escape's fault btw, the order does clearly say pink - I think all other colours have sold out but I just want to get started. Would it be sacrilege to buy some special paints from a craft shop and carefully customise the battery?!

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Whatta drag. Try contacting the vendor first to see what he says. If he's unwilling to take it back maybe he has some advice regarding painting or changing the color. He may have some iseas as to removing the coating. Looked for Riva skins but couldn't find any.

Update: I accidently a bright pink Riva 1100

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Wat do?

This is the most disappointed I have been for some time. It's not Vape Escape's fault btw, the order does clearly say pink - I think all other colours have sold out but I just want to get started. Would it be sacrilege to buy some special paints from a craft shop and carefully customise the battery?!

 

[peraspera]

Update: I accidently a bright pink Riva 1100

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Would it be sacrilege to buy some special paints from a craft shop and carefully customise the battery?!

I would be highly doubtful that paint would stick to the rubbery pink stuff or the plastic tank. The easiest solution would probably be to cut some contact paper to fit the battery and tank with an exacto knife.

More work would be to buy some double-sided vinyl sticky sheets from the craft store. Cut to fit the battery and tank. Paint or some paper to your taste or purchase some you like. Cut to fit the battery and tank. Use some single sided stick vinyl to cover the paper and cut to fit.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Found this vid from Scott...well known within the vaping Community. If you do try it let us know how it turned out. Rather than putting the batt in the chuck maybe screw an atomizer on to the battery and place in chuck.
Good Luck.

 

[Racehorse]

- not too fussed about battery life as I'll carry a spare and always near computers/chargers

You think that now, but wait until you're doing it. It becomes as hassle.

Maybe you should check out The Volt. A lot of people like that one because it is analog-like and it's a great company!



Ego type batts aren't really very big, BTW. I thought that before I owned one.......