Not frustrated but running out of ideas: Genesis style wicking but little flavor and TH

[kryptonicrxn]

I've read at least 20 entire threads in the rba forum and still can't get both my RSST and I-ATY, genesis style tanks, to deliver great flavor.

I've tried .5x.1mm ribbon wire and 30ga wire. 2/3, 3/4 and even 1/2 wraps. Both I can keep sub ohm. No hot spots even after 8 secs of continuous fire. Current set up is cable wire, 7x19 strands 3/32 dia, with 3mm ekowool sleeving. I tried burning the hell out of both wire and sleeve, no use. Tossed then I tried boiling wire and sleeve for 20mins, water came out milky white, but still flavor isn't there. My only guess is 2/3 isn't enough wraps but if i increase wrap it takes forever to heat up due to the diameter of my wick. Im stuck to using my chimbus and Igo W which deliver intense flavor and TH but i can't "Drip and Drive." I'll take pics when i get home.

Gears:
multimeter
30ga wire a1 kanthal
ribbon wire
Sigelie #20
M16 clone
AW, Samsung, panasonic, Efest and EH batteries in various sizes

Blehhh

Sigelie 20 (Roller Clone)


2mm airhole


1/2 wrap, .8ohm, very close but not touching positiv post.


Firing firing firing


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[Flyer]

I tried wire rope wicks and found they are just big heat sinks, making it hard to vaporize as well as mesh wicks. Returned to mesh, very happy to have ended that experiment.

 

[Jeremy Evans]

Might have to settle for a slightly higher resistance given the type and size of wire you said you had, bc you need to make a few more wraps to get the flavor you are requiring, you should look into some smaller gauge wire (28, 27, 26) that way you can make more wraps and still keep your resistance down. It's also a possibility that you just arent getting good wicking action from your cable. Are you getting good vapor production or is that lacking also?

 

[Rodeorat]

With 30ga you should be able to wrap a 4/3 and be in the neighborhoodof 1.5 ohms, which is good.
Are you wrapping you cable with mesh at the top?
You should probably put a mesh wick in there to at least get back to a normal vape and eliminate other factors.
Your mods might could use a sanding on the contact points. Your positive posts may need to be screwed down a touch more for better battery contact.
Lastly, if you're sub-ohm....your air hole should be around 1.5mm or bigger. Good luck.

 

[kryptonicrxn]

Jeremy,
That's what I'm thinking of doing. I'm looking at Tempco .7x.1 (wider than my current .5) ribbon wire to get more wraps on it. Vapor production is really good, just the flavor is hindered. I feel like the ekowool i use some how filters out the flavor. Seeing how the juice goes up the wire then has to pass through the sleeve. My Chimbus and Igo W has intense flavor maybe bc juice goes directly on the heating element, no filtering effect (if any)

Rodeorat,
No, I use cable wire with ekowool sleeving on the top. See pics added to original post.

I'm trying to stay away from mesh wick for two reasons: it sends heat back down and cooks my juice, which then turns color. Two, it shoots out tiny charcoal or carbon build-up around my cap. Well and it's also expensive to replace and PIA to rebuild. With cable wire and sleeving, the sleeving hinders heat transfer back down to my tank. But you're right, if I can't figure this out, I might as well ditch it. lol.

All my mods and RBAs have been sanded and multimeter-checked for voltage and current delivery. Contacts are solid. Very minute difference.

And last, my airholes are 2mm +/-.2mm

 

[kryptonicrxn]

On another thought, although it's only 1/2 wraps, the length of wire used to wrap such a big wick (4mm diam) is equivalent to smaller diameter mesh wick with 3/4 wrap, which is around 2mm. So what im thinking is, contact surface should be the same although it's less wraps.

 

[Thrasher]

I'm trying to stay away from mesh wick for two reasons: it sends heat back down and cooks my juice, which then turns color. Two, it shoots out tiny charcoal or carbon build-up around my cap.

the color change is actually the burnt juice from around the coil leeching back into the tank, it shouldnt affect performance or flavor unless it becomes extreme. the bigger the wickhole the faster it happens.
rolling a tighter wick with less open space in the center helps this slow down. took me a long time to find attys that dont do this or do it very little.
never heard of the carbon shooting off before. is there water in the juice?

thinner wire would fix a lot of problems i think

 

[90quattrocoupe]

I use doubled over 3mm silica with 28 Kanthal wrapped 7 times, and I get 1.32ohms, in my RSST on a Roller. I don't get clouds of vapor, but it is good and the taste is there. I cut my silica long enough to lay on the bottom of the tank. I never have a wicking problem. I can hit the power button and the wick dries out a little, left off button, and it is wet right away.

I found mesh to be a pain, also. As an added bonus, I use the ends of the silica laying in the tank for my Protank II builds.

I used 32 Kanthal for my first build. 4 wraps gave me 1.9ohms. I am thinking for the next one, using 30 Kanthal, and trying for 1.5 with about 5 wraps.

Greg W.

 

[Thrasher]

I also notice in the pictures the coil looks a little tight on the sleeve and may be choking off the liquid. or so wet it is heatsinking too much.
also

there is a balancing point on airflow vs flavor too much airflow vapor wil increase but flavor begins to suffer. looking at the one pic the hole looks huge.

you also didnt state the resistance, too high on a mech and it's going to just fizzle.

 

[williebb123]

i love all the techno info but then maybe its just vapors tongue.....but then again maybe not ...maybe just get away from the sub ohm craze and just do a 5/4 wrap 28ga and call it good

 

[ukeman]

I have a skinny cable wick sleeved with eko and a thick gauge micro coil wrap; i think its about 6 wraps (26 or 27g nichrome) touching.
I get a .65 Ohms coils but with tilting and no eko in the wick hole, I get enough juice there. The eko sleeve keeps the hot spots away.
The bottom wire leg is a bit long but no problems there.
I find .65 Ohms and enough juice at the coil gives great vapor and flavor.
I'm surprised how well the eko holds up without burning.

 

[notawoman]

I get awesome flavor from mine, my latest build is 400 mesh on 7/19 3/32 size ss rope in a rsst. then I did a 4 wrap of two 28 awg nichrome wires. Came to .5 ohms and hits like a train.

Ss rope does heat sink a bit, but with this build I take short hits and it doesn't get that hot. On top of that, it wicks like a dream and never leaks, ever! I'm in love, my drippers are getting jealous though.

 

[Jeremy Evans]

Also you should note that ribbon can be a PITA to get right, if there is a little bit more tension on one edge of the ribbon it will choke the wicking and your vape will suffer, a good round wire to me is better than anything I ever did with ribbon, that is just my opinion on the whole ribbon craze

 

[gankoji]

i love all the techno info but then maybe its just vapors tongue.....but then again maybe not ...maybe just get away from the sub ohm craze and just do a 5/4 wrap 28ga and call it good

I agree here, may just be a case of the 'vaper's tongue.'

That said, I've noticed that SS mesh can really kill some flavors. ATM, I've got a rolled cotton wick a la Super_x_drifter in there and it is working fantastically. Flavors are much more pronounced with cotton IMO, maybe give that a try if you can.

 

[toughguitar]

I really like ss mesh and cable in my genny's, but the heat sink and hotspot issues leave me wanting a better setup. The muted flavor is also a big turn off. I've tried all the different sizes, device settings, resistance setups but nothing made it better. I tried this method and found it to be a great setup, just as good as SS wicks, plus great flavor.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/rebuildable-atomizer-systems/464575-cotton-wick-genesis-style-rba.html

 

[ukeman]

I really like ss mesh and cable in my genny's, but the heat sink and hotspot issues leave me wanting a better setup. The muted flavor is also a big turn off. I've tried all the different sizes, device settings, resistance setups but nothing made it better. I tried this method and found it to be a great setup, just as good as SS wicks, plus great flavor.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/rebuildable-atomizer-systems/464575-cotton-wick-genesis-style-rba.html

thanks for the thread ... i'm over there now... picked up a preorder of the AL1 from AC9.... nice

OP check out that Riptrippers vid in the thread..

 

[Thrasher]

I've tried all the different sizes, device settings, resistance setups but nothing made it better.

I found the flavor issue is more in the design of the device more then the wick itself when setup right. some genis are just dull no matter what you do/ the few i use all have the same features, smaller wicks, smaller airholes and smaller/tighter topcaps seem to be the best flavor to me.

 

[kryptonicrxn]

I dont think it's vapor's tongue because I've been using the same juice on my chimbus and igo w. Flavor is intense on these two.

 

[kryptonicrxn]

I really like ss mesh ...


http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ems/464575-cotton-wick-genesis-style-rba.html

Great thread, Thanks. Im curious to try it out but should I worry about dry hits especially from cotton. Im sure it'll burn if i get a dry hit.