Nothing like playing all the angles BT
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They left one thing out of this, I'd like to see the year by year breakdown on this and compare it to something that was introduced in 2007.
Another ANTZ telling part of the truth trying to convince us that TC is effective?
Quite a few people have quit smoking with patches, gum, prescription medication... I don't see what the problem is with what they are doing. In the real world, people do quit smoking with products other than electronic cigarettes...
Could be that more people are quitting. I see fewer and fewer smokers every time I go abroad. I know the patch has been approved for indefinite use, but people I have known who have used it stepped down in levels until they stopped using it altogether.
Mint, cinnamon, and fruit? Well at least we don't have to worry too much about this nicotine-laced product making its way into the hands of children - after all, we all know that children just hate chewing gum
C'mon, where's all the uproar? Where are all the articles from those who doth protest too much? It's a new nicotine product, released by an evil tobacco company! And it comes in flavors!! Surely this is just another way to get everyone hooked? Right??
Right???
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C'mon, where's all the uproar? Where are all the articles from those who doth protest too much? It's a new nicotine product, released by an evil tobacco company! And it comes in flavors!! Surely this is just another way to get everyone hooked? Right??
Right???
...
Mint, cinnamon, and fruit? Well at least we don't have to worry too much about this nicotine-laced product making its way into the hands of children - after all, we all know that children just hate chewing gum
C'mon, where's all the uproar? Where are all the articles from those who doth protest too much? It's a new nicotine product, released by an evil tobacco company! And it comes in flavors!! Surely this is just another way to get everyone hooked? Right??
Right???
...
It doesn't look like smoking...
That has helped, but the only paradigm shift in the nicotine market since 2007 is the e-cigarette.
The ANTZ do not want anyone paying attention to that fact.
The ANTZ do not want anyone paying attention to that fact.
For what it's worth, of all the people I know who have tried nicotine gum, I only know of one who quit, and she did go back to smoking eventually. I've never seen the step down approach actually work in the long term.
It doesn't really help much if you only put down the cigarettes for a few months and then return to your 20 year habit.
Also, if you are "seeing" fewer smokers, that may just be because it is more stigmatized now, so people are less likely to smoke out in the open. That doesn't mean they're not smoking at all.
I imagine e-cigarettes have helped as many people quit as much or more than all the other methods combined, but I really don't see why people against smoking would care, if their goal is to get people to quit smoking cigarettes. In Prague, people against smoking have warmly welcomed and embraced electronic cigarettes...
I think smoking really took a downturn with the Obama tax on cigarettes.
Just wondering why you are looking for any reason but the e-cigarette for the decline in smoking?
The downturn started before vaping, but I think cost has played a larger role than vaping thus far. I don't know statistics for vaping, though.
Yeah you kind of seem to be jumping all over the place steve
The truth is that the smoking rate has declined due to a complicated number of factors. Less people are initiating smoking to begin with (youth smoking rates have been down for years), combined with more people quitting and more people switching to safer alternatives.
People have been attempting to quit in greater numbers, so at any given time, if you ask someone who previously smoked if they still do, there is a possibility that they will say "no" because they recently quit. That does not mean they will stay quit, but that will affect the final tally of current smokers.
Also, while many of us are switching to e-cigarettes (yay for us!), there is also an increasing number of people using NRTs long term in an effort to keep from smoking.
In places where you see a sudden spike in cigarette prices due to taxes, they have not shown any statistically significant decline in smoking rates. That does not mean that no one is quitting due to the higher taxes, it just means that the number who quit due to higher taxes is not high enough to affect the statistics in any meaningful way. In other words, higher taxes do not lead to less smoking overall. (In my personal experience, higher smoking taxes lead to more people complaining about taxes, and more people saying they need to quit, but not to more actual quitting).
There is no single donkey we can pin the tail on here. Yes, e-cigarettes are affecting smoking rates, but many other things are as well. Only time will tell how much of a dent e-cigs can really make in smoking rates. Statistically we need another 10 years or so to be sure (so let's hope they remain legal for that time!).
The truth is that the smoking rate has declined due to a complicated number of factors. Less people are initiating smoking to begin with (youth smoking rates have been down for years), combined with more people quitting and more people switching to safer alternatives.
People have been attempting to quit in greater numbers, so at any given time, if you ask someone who previously smoked if they still do, there is a possibility that they will say "no" because they recently quit. That does not mean they will stay quit, but that will affect the final tally of current smokers.
Also, while many of us are switching to e-cigarettes (yay for us!), there is also an increasing number of people using NRTs long term in an effort to keep from smoking.
In places where you see a sudden spike in cigarette prices due to taxes, they have not shown any statistically significant decline in smoking rates. That does not mean that no one is quitting due to the higher taxes, it just means that the number who quit due to higher taxes is not high enough to affect the statistics in any meaningful way. In other words, higher taxes do not lead to less smoking overall. (In my personal experience, higher smoking taxes lead to more people complaining about taxes, and more people saying they need to quit, but not to more actual quitting).
There is no single donkey we can pin the tail on here. Yes, e-cigarettes are affecting smoking rates, but many other things are as well. Only time will tell how much of a dent e-cigs can really make in smoking rates. Statistically we need another 10 years or so to be sure (so let's hope they remain legal for that time!).
Oh no! first e-cigs, and now BT is marketing gum in an effort to entice children into life-long addiction to smoking. It is well known that, while FDA-approved BP gum significantly improves smokers' chances of quitting, there is increasing concern in the public health community that nicotine-laced gum marketed by BT may serve as a gateway for children and youth into smoking, as well as harder illegal drugs, according to new research. 
I wonder if BPs gum is FDA approved?
I mean flavors!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is FDA approved! Oh FDA, how could you have failed our children!!! 8-o
As we well know, one of the cornerstone orthodoxies for the ANTZ movement is "Everything the tobacco industry does is 100% pure evil and designed to entice children into a lifetime of cigarette smoking." We also know one of their favorite arguments against vaping is "Tobacco companies make e-cigs, therefore all e-cig products are nothing but a tool to promote smoking." I wonder if they'll apply this same logic to nicotine gum now that Reynolds has entered that market.
I think we should use that argument in a few Colbert-style high-profile press releases. Perhaps the blatant stupidity of such an argument will help the general public see the same stupidity in the ANTZ arguments against vaporizers.
Oh no! first e-cigs, and now BT is marketing gum in an effort to entice children into life-long addiction to smoking. It is well known that, while FDA-approved BP gum significantly improves smokers' chances of quitting, there is increasing concern in the public health community that nicotine-laced gum marketed by BT may serve as a gateway for children and youth into smoking, as well as harder illegal drugs, according to new research.
I've said many times, the only good nicotine is Pharma sold nicotine. Theirs is specially formulated to not be a gateway to youth smoking or harder drugs. Such innovation.
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