Novice asking questions about RSST, mech mods, and safety

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hellov

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I just purchased my first mech mod (the smok magneto) with my first RBA, the smok RSST and they are coming via vapemail this week. I have no experience with mech mods nor do I have experience with RBA's. I actually started vaping a week and half, and I am I just watched a couple video tutorials and it looks easy, and it made sense. I do have a couple questions though:

1. I bought AW IMR 18490 and 18350 batteries. Would the kick clone by sigelei offer me the same safety features as the vapesafe or the other clone safety things?

2. Is the RSST portable? I would like to carry it around with me in my backpack. If I do carry it in my backpack, and leave it unattended for hours at a time, should I keep the battery out until I use it?

3. What resistance do you suggest I start off with taking safety into account? I bought 28 gauge kanthal wire.
 

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I am sorry to be miserable sounding - but you will not in any case much care for my suggestions.

A kick - as far as i know is a circuit board that allows you to run a mechanical device as if it were variable voltage - like say an Evic or such. It does not have much protection at all - in fact - if you put it on a battery upside-down you will likely ruin it.

A vapesafe is a fuse you place under a battery to try to protect you from a short circuit, usually in the event that you make a bad coil for your atomiser - in this case an RSST. To not have any protection is foolhardy and means you run the risk of your batteries running out of control.

My suggestion is to get something a lot simpler to begin with, because i doubt you can make your own coils and you run the risk of hurting yourself. Else get good dental and medical insurance.

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Whoa, you are getting a little ahead of yourself. Rebuilding is definitely anything but easy when you first start out. Did you only buy 28 gauge wire? It is only 5.27 ohms/foot, which is 0.439 ohms/inch. That isnt much wiggle room once you start building. You are gonna have to use around 2.5 inches just to get 1 ohm of resistance.

With mechanicals, they lack the safety features of many of the VV/VW APVs, meaning that you should really be comfortable/good at rebuilding before throwing a coil you made yourself onto one.

You have a lot of research to do before you should even consider firing anything you build yourself on top of your Magneto. Psh, you have a lot of research before using a mechanical mod. Did you not read the 'these are not for beginners' spiel on the website you bought it off of? This is really bad idea.
 

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So I was wondering....when do you know you're ready for an RBA? Am I oversimplifying this? So you roll the coil a couple times around the mesh wick, attach one side to positive, the other side to negative. Pulse a couple times. Make sure it is glowing evenly without hotspots. Check resistance with multimeter. Check that it is consistent. Check that the battery is giving consistent voltage. Start off at safe ohm (not sub ohm) . Is there more to it than that?

I was watching pbusardo's smoktech rsst video. I was going to use the same exact setup to get around 1.2 ohms.
 
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When you have a coil that looks good and measures well - i really cannot stress how important it is to measure the Ω before you fire it on a device.

As i said - i am not trying to put you off, just that you really do need to be careful. Make a few? It's a lot harder than it sounds, but by no means impossible.

As an aside that point 'when am i ready for an RBA' is when the whole thing does not end up on the other side of the room (but maybe that was just me)!

Be safe.

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The RSST is a great device to get started on. Compared to some others, it's a fairly easy set up.
My advice: Don't get sucked into the sub ohm craze, at least until you really know what you're doing. Stick with 1.2 ohms and above, for now. Sub ohm vaping can be great; but it can also be dangerous.
 

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Wow everybody... lots of doom and gloom here. But, I get it... safety is important here.

Hellov,

I would agree that a week and a half of experience in vaping is quite early to jump into rebuildables, especially with a mechanical. Do you have a VV/VW mod already? If so, I'd highly recommend you start with higher gauge wire (30 or 32 awg), with coils in the 1.8 range FIRST. Understand what works and what doesn't, and get your technique down. There IS a steep learning curve with Genesis-style atomizers like the RSST (albeit the RSST is the easiest one to learn on for sure). Using a VV/VW device gives you a lot of safety features while learning, as they won't fire coils that are shorted or too low in ohms. Move to a mech AFTER you have your technique down; you'll be there when you can rebuild a coil quickly and nail an ohm target right away with no real fiddling.

If you insist on proceeding, you absolutely need to have a multimeter to check resistance before firing, and you MUST understand that a reasonably-priced multimeter has inherent resistance. To see this, take your multimeter on the lowest ohms setting, and touch the two leads together. It won't register 0 ohms as you'd expect, but will register something else (e.g. my cheapo Harbor Freight special reads 0.5 ohms). You must subtract this value from the coil you're reading, e.g. a coil reading 2.2 ohms on your MM is really 1.7 ohms. I mention this because, if you check your coil and you're seeing 0.5 ohms, you have a short, NOT a 0.5ohm coil!

Now, to answer your questions:

1. I bought AW IMR 18490 and 18350 batteries. Would the kick clone by sigelei offer me the same safety features as the vapesafe or the other clone safety things?

The wire you chose (28 gauge) has very low resistance... see my comment above. A normal 4 or 5 wrap coil will be less than or right around 1 ohm. I don't know if the Kick can fire these or not (I don't own one), but typically the use of sub-ohm coils are the reason people use mechs with Genesis-style atomizers as most VV/VW devices won't fire anything below 1.2 ohms or so. If you want to use a Kick, get thinner (higher gauge number) Kanthal for higher ohm coils, or put a ton of coils on it (which is less than ideal).

And yes, the Kick reports having short-circuit protection.

2. Is the RSST portable? I would like to carry it around with me in my backpack. If I do carry it in my backpack, and leave it unattended for hours at a time, should I keep the battery out until I use it?

In short, nope... Gennies are not really very portable. They must be kept upright, otherwise they leak in a major way. I've always had to leave the fill plugs out to get good wicking -- I know others say this isn't necessary, but my experience is that fill plug = dry hits so I leave it out. This means you have open holes for juice to make a horrific mess....

3. What resistance do you suggest I start off with taking safety into account? I bought 28 gauge kanthal wire.

^^ See my comments at the beginning of this (long-winded) post. In short, not recommended for starting out IMHO.

Stay safe...
 
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