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Treece

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The Unions stopped employers from treating their employees like serfs. Well keep killing the unions and see how well you like serfdom.

It amazes me that anyone has to point this out--scares me, actually. This isn't opinion. It's the truth.

You may be too young to remember life before unions. That's no excuse. Read a book, for crying out loud.
 

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I noticed a long time ago that the vehicle makers in the US are in the back pockets of the oil companies. Anyone else remember the vehicles of the past that got 40 miles to the gallon. Datsun, etc...... Even the Scion in the beginning got better mileage, not now! We are, have been forced to pay for less qualtiy in a vehicle. Then they have topped it all off with very poor mileage performance too boot. Sad, very sad.

Hopefully sometime soon, (doubt it) it will be good to buy american again. I still do, and have always bought american as that is the way I was raised. I so wish it would be easier for everyone though.

This is the biggest reason I didn't by American when I purchased my last car.......I purchased a Jetta TDI. Leather, moonroof, top notch safety, and best of all 50mpg for now 97,000 miles at under $25k. No U.S. manufacturer had any car that came close to this. For all the bloviating that U.S. car makers do about quality & selection now being equal to imports, it just isn't true.

U.S. makers want to tell us what they think we should drive instead of listening to the consumer and producing vehicles that truly address the wants and needs of consumers. While it would be nice to "buy American" and support our domestic manufacturers, my pocketbook and my needs come first when I am spending my cash.
 

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Taz - you can't even spell 'college'. How in the hell did you get in?
BTW - when referring to your backside - it is spelled B U T T.

Spell check can't either, thank for the spelling lesson. Butts are on the end of cigarettes. I don't usually write such words. Next time I will use A**es.
 

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Just for the record, I have never driven anything but a GM car since I was 17. I always took care of my cars and they served me well. I actually love GM and am angry about what is going on. Years ago, my Dad owned a Buick dealership.

Yes, the execs are overpaid. They are overpaid in all big business and GM is no different. I am not saying it is right, but there are a lot more 'worker bees' than execs. It is the refusal of the UAW to come in line with the salaries of foreign automaker employees in the US that has driven GM to this.

People in Mexico live in shacks with no running water and dirt floors.

Are you trying to say American should live like that so their salaries would be more in line with Mexico?

Of course there are fewer at the top of the ladder than at the bottom. It cost over $2,000,000 a year for a single person at the top of the ladder and around $60,000 for someone at the bottom of the ladder.

Did you know in the 1950's on average the employer made $17 for every $1 made by a non managerial employee and now the ratio is around $60 for the employer to every $1 that the non management employee earns?

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This is the biggest reason I didn't by American when I purchased my last car.......I purchased a Jetta TDI. Leather, moonroof, top notch safety, and best of all 50mpg for now 97,000 miles at under $25k. No U.S. manufacturer had any car that came close to this. For all the bloviating that U.S. car makers do about quality & selection now being equal to imports, it just isn't true.

U.S. makers want to tell us what they think we should drive instead of listening to the consumer and producing vehicles that truly address the wants and needs of consumers. While it would be nice to "buy American" and support our domestic manufacturers, my pocketbook and my needs come first when I am spending my cash.
Maybe if your job was unionized you would earn a better wage and would be able to afford more expensive things.

It's kinda like a big circle isn't it?

Of course when someone convinces you that you don't need any representation or collective bargaining you kinda fall out of that circle and just become a number to be used and discarded at will.

Hopefully your dad went to the right school for you to get one of the good jobs. 8-o

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It amazes me that anyone has to point this out--scares me, actually. This isn't opinion. It's the truth.

You may be too young to remember life before unions. That's no excuse. Read a book, for crying out loud.


Yes, we all went to school and had history class. My question to you is:
What have they done for us lately?
 

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Maybe if your job was unionized you would earn a better wage and would be able to afford more expensive things.

Not a union member, but I earn six-figures. (I don't mean to sound pompous, but other people besides union members can earn money)

It's kinda like a big circle isn't it?

Of course when someone convinces you that you don't need any representation or collective bargaining you kinda fall out of that circle and just become a number to be used and discarded at will.

I'm really don't understand this part of your post and don't see how it relates to what I said. Show me a U.S. car that get's this type of performance, with these options, at any price.

Hopefully your dad went to the right school for you to get one of the good jobs. 8-o

DW

Before he died, my dad was a union member for 38 years and President of his local for 12..............And still didn't earn enough to send me to college, I paid my own way. Thanks for the thought though.....
 

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Good for you Elendil.

This is the land of opportunity.

Get an education, work hard, fly right.

I am not treated like a serf and I am not a union worker. As a matter of fact, my company employee manual states we are employed by them 'at will'. No problem. I work hard and prove myself everyday. They 'will' keep me.

DW - I do my own collective bargaining and represent myself. I am loyal, trustworthy, hard working and I deliver a quality 'product', every time, on time.
 
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playerags

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I find it amazing that todays union employees think that socialist strongarm idea would ever survive for the long run in an american capitalist system.
Unions squeeze all the benefits and wages they can out of their employers. What they fail to understand, or more appropriately ignore, is the fact that the employer will get his profit margin. When you raise his cost of doing business, he raises the cost of the product. Do you actually think he pulls the $ out of his pocket?
When the cost of the product is too high and becomes unreasonable, the consumer no longer buys the overpriced product. Then, " the state of New York" pays these communists $445 per week to sit home.
Then the people blame it on everybody else except themselves when the no longer profitable businesses shut down. They even go as far as to tell us how great they are. And that we owe them something.(gratitude)
It only takes common sense and a little bit of understanding of how the USA works.

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Before he died, my dad was a union member for 38 years and President of his local for 12..............And still didn't earn enough to send me to college, I paid my own way. Thanks for the thought though.....
I am sorry, I was just being a wise a** about the video I posted. No disrespect intended, I assure you. You do not deserve a dig at a deceased loved one.

Really, sorry.

DW
 

dumwaldo

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What does that have to do with anything? The instances of union corruption are completely dwarfed by the instances of cooperate corruption.

BTW
the association for union democracy is funded by big business and its purpose is to lobby for anti union legislation and spread misinformation about unions. Congratulations you just became one of their pawn. Next time try thinking for yourself instead of being manipulated by a sham organization.

DW
 
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