Obama will be raising taxes to the Midlle class - he lied

[denec]

Obama Admin: Cap And Trade Could Cost Families $1,761 A Year - Taking Liberties - CBS News

anyone else shocked?


btw this is one of the worst things that can happen right now in our recessions...is he trying to bring this country into great depression purposely?

 

[SLDS181]

Obama Admin: Cap And Trade Could Cost Families $1,761 A Year - Taking Liberties - CBS News

anyone else shocked?


btw this is one of the worst things that can happen right now in our recessions...is he trying to bring this country into gret depression purposely?

Shocked? No, I expected it.

The definition of middle class is misleading, as well. Depending on where you live, $50k/yr could be considered sitting pretty or it could be barely making rent. Either way... yes, I fully expected everyone that pays taxes to end up paying significantly higher taxes.

 

[Proverb]

Can't say I'm shocked either. Was the lofty ambition of a 'young' politician, and after Bush's policies and actions raped the future generations of this good nation, a tax hike is definitely to be expected.

 

[SLDS181]

Can't say I'm shocked either. Was the lofty ambition of a 'young' politician, and after Bush's policies and actions raped the future generations of this good nation, a tax hike is definitely to be expected.

Sorry, but Bush has nothing to do with this issue.

more programs = more money. Which means more taxes.

 

[Moobyghost]

Yeah I love how people think taxes can never go up yet they want more and more from our government.

He is fixing the last 8 years the best he can. We are in a rebuilding phase lots of money spent on things other then war.

 

[RsL]

Wow. You mean a politician lied?? That's never happened before!!!

 

[SLDS181]

Yeah I love how people think taxes can never go up yet they want more and more from our government.

I want less, not more.

And again, this has nothing to do with war or Bush. Democrats create social programs. Social programs cost money. Taxes go up.

 

[Surf Monkey]

I want less, not more.

And again, this has nothing to do with war or Bush. Democrats create social programs. Social programs cost money. Taxes go up.

Republicans create social programs too... and then refuse to pay for them.

Obama shouldn't be raising taxes on anyone making below 200k a year IMO.

 

[Proverb]

I want less, not more.

And again, this has nothing to do with war or Bush. Democrats create social programs. Social programs cost money. Taxes go up.

That's right, Democrats create social programs and Republicans start wars . Taxes go up in either case, or if taxes aren't raised, other programs are cut/under-funded. It's not a moot point to bring up Bush or the wars started by him. We're still actively paying about $100 billion annually out of our tax dollars to fund these wars that were started and these tax dollars could be spent on the suggested social plans and thus not raising taxes.

 

[SLDS181]

Republicans create social programs too... and then refuse to pay for them.

Obama shouldn't be raising taxes on anyone making below 200k a year IMO.

Thats the new batch that pretends to be republican, then invades my life with their "Christian" view of morality (which is totally skewed, considering some have sex with boys, while being anti-gay. I'm not gay, btw, but I see no reason to discriminate against them like these neo-cons do.)

I'm all for a return of the traditional conservative, who closes down ineffective programs, and gets mad when someone wants to spend money.

As far as anyone below 200k goes... I understand the sentiment, but I still don't agree (and I'm not making more than 200k, and I grew up without money, btw). I'm a flat tax kind of guy - graduated taxation based on income, to me, is just another form of discrimination.

 

[Moobyghost]

Republicans create social programs too... and then refuse to pay for them.

Obama shouldn't be raising taxes on anyone making below 200k a year IMO.

Well, living around here I say anyone making over 100k should get taxed more.

 

[SLDS181]

other programs are cut/under-funded.

^^^^^^

Thats what I want.

 

[SLDS181]

Well, living around here I say anyone making over 100k should get taxed more.

Except, that doesn't work country-wide, like I mentioned before. If you have the average family of four, and live in NJ, CT, or NY, a $100k annual salary is barely middle class in most areas, and not even within spitting distance of middle-upper class. Just forget upper class, you'd have to be in the $300+ range for that, and thats being conservative with your money.

 

[Surf Monkey]

As far as anyone below 200k goes... I understand the sentiment, but I still don't agree (and I'm not making more than 200k, and I grew up without money, btw). I'm a flat tax kind of guy - graduated taxation based on income, to me, is just another form of discrimination.

I used to support the flat tax idea, but I've come to the conclusion that it's not equitable. It places far more burden on lower income people. A graduated tax is the only fair way to set it up IMO.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Except, that doesn't work country-wide, like I mentioned before. If you have the average family of four, and live in NJ, CT, or NY, a $100k annual salary is barely middle class in most areas, and not even within spitting distance of middle-upper class. Just forget upper class, you'd have to be in the $300+ range for that, and thats being conservative with your money.

I'm not sure I buy that. 20% of households (households, not individuals) make less than 19k per year. The average American household makes roughly 45k per year. Less than 2% make over 250k per year. No matter where you live, 100k per year is a high wage. Better than what most people consider middle class in this nation.

 

[SLDS181]

I used to support the flat tax idea, but I've come to the conclusion that it's not equitable. It places far more burden on lower income people. A graduated tax is the only fair way to set it up IMO.

I would definitely have to disagree. At an income level low enough for it to matter, they aren't paying taxes.

I'm not sure I buy that. 20% of households (households, not individuals) make less than 19k per year. The average American household makes roughly 45k per year. Less than 2% make over 250k per year. No matter where you live, 100k per year is a high wage. Better than what most people consider middle class in this nation.

As of the 2000 census....

Per capita income in NJ - $27k
Median household income - $55k

NJ has the highest percentage of millionaire residents, over 7% of NJ households.

At the same time, 8.5% lives below the national poverty line.

In my county, the median household income, as of the year 2000, was just shy of $80k. As of 2007, the median household income was $100k.

Out of the entire country, nine NJ counties are in the top 100 wealthiest counties.

Now, what you need to take into account is the cost of living here. A cheap home, a fixer upper, even in this market.... will start at around $225k-$275k.

Seriously, check it out. The COL here is ridiculous. And don't say "so move". The work that I do requires being in close proximity to major metropolitan locations. I commute 2 hours, by train, each way, each day, to get to NYC.

 

[Kate51]

You know, denec, you are absolutely right to assume they all lied. It may not be a direct tax, but it has the same money/blood/free enterprise sucking effect. These idiots for whatever reason are going to run this country right into the ground, if they haven't already.
And all you Hokey defenders here, wake the heck up. This is not a clamor to denegrate a Democrat or a Republican, this is our Government we're talking about here. You're so quick to blame the "other guy" for everything you just missed the whole point. People who do this kind of Defend to the Death defense is the main cause for the blooters to get away with what they were going to do anyway. You distract and water down the "we the People" effect.
What you need to do is join the fray, get in there and voice your dissent to the right people. Stop stop your stupid messenger shooting at every opportunity. Go find something more helpful to do. This is the ECF, after all, maybe someone could use some help somewhere that would be more in keeping with the reason for our Benefactor's generous cyber space useage.

 

[SLDS181]

Go find something more helpful to do. This is the ECF, after all, maybe someone could use some help somewhere that would be more in keeping with the reason for our Benefactor's generous cyber space useage.

If thats all SJ wanted, there wouldn't be a General or Outside forum.

 

[jimik]

We are screwed regardless, we are running out of people to exploit to finance our lives of luxury. The US is changing, and there is little we can do about it other than ..... and moan.

 

[denec]

Yeah I love how people think taxes can never go up yet they want more and more from our government.

He is fixing the last 8 years the best he can. We are in a rebuilding phase lots of money spent on things other then war.

i want nothing from our government...that is the best medicine....