also keep in mind is that pg/vg and nicotine have different temperature to create the vaporization process. so while you bottle can say one thing not all the nicotine is going to vaporize. so you will be inhaling less then x-mg per ml. there is no exact science, some of us are more sensitive to the amount of nicotine we can inhale. I generally vape around 12mg but can use as high as 24 with out nic'd out effects. My wife vapes at 6mg and thats pretty much her limit. my 12 mg juice is too strong for her.
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I drip and so do most of my friends. I drip 3mg and the other day, my friend had me try a flavor. He regretted to tell me it was 18mg and after one drag, I was nauseous and sick to my stomach. I'll never do that again
Excellent idea and one I would not have thought of on my own; no idea it existed.
I had some 6mg/ml 'juice my son gave me and I wanted to 'bump it up'; a foolish thing for a dumb old guy to do without hand holding. Reading HERE helps - but instructions are too vague and folks are too far ahead in smarts for me to have thought I could accomplish what I wanted.
I bought a 50/50 VG/PG mix of 60% nicotine and added it to my juice. It was a while back and I believe I added 5ml of the 60% to 5ml of the 6% 50-50 VG/PG pre-mix ....... and I became so sick to my stomach, dizzy all the things folks describe.
Thankfully I have a compliment of 'nursies' here to call upon and immediately they were there to tell me I'd be OK ((and admonish the hell out of me) - but they did monitor the usual vitals for an hour. I am ashamed to admit I even DID what i did but I now know to at least NOT use those mixtures to INCREASE my nicotine levels. Sad thing is - I can damn well afford to buy all the juice I need and still I was trying to save a buck! It's beyond embarrassing. It was in fact - stupid of me. You did no such thing - I think they may have screwed up for you.
I'd would think YOU received a goodly dose of nicotine and will see when you kit arrives. Glad you are OK.
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Senile Old Man Don
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I tested the juice finally. Clearo was 18 mg/ml (+/- 2-4 mg) and the bottle was 9 mg/ml (+/- 1-2 mg). I think that is in line with what I suspect... that I vaped some nic base.
I've got an email out to the store advising them of what happened, and asking them to detail their mixing process.
I've got an email out to the store advising them of what happened, and asking them to detail their mixing process.
I had a chocolate.... something that did that. And no matter how you shook it, or how often, or how long it had been allowed to age, it always separated within two minutes of being shook. I tried vaping it once but when I saw the persistent separation problems I never touched it again.
In all my time the one and only liquid I ever bought that was like that.
I shook this juice after finding it separated. It has not separated again in the 10 days since then.
They simply failed to mix it when they prepared my order, and I was too much of a noob to catch it.
They simply failed to mix it when they prepared my order, and I was too much of a noob to catch it.
I'm not entirely convinced that was the problem.
Sounds to me like something much more simple. You accidentally swallowed some of the vapor.
Nicotine being sucked into the lungs has one effect, but swallowing some has an entirely different reaction. Swallowing a single puff from an analog can easily have you in cold sweats and vomiting your guts up, but the sickness only lasts a few minutes. Sounds like that's probably what happened.
An 18mg dose would be high if you're used to 9-10mg, but it shouldn't be enough to get you that sick from a couple of puffs. Maybe give you a headache and slight nausea after a while, but nothing from a couple of puffs. With 18mg you should still be able to take half the puffs of normal without feeling any different at all.
Nah, I don't think I swallowed anything. I did a mouth hit and nose/mouth exhale. Smooth and tasty. Hit me like a freight train within 10 seconds.
The worst of it lasted a few minutes. I felt horrible for over an hour, and didn't feel right the rest of the day. Really scared the s*** outta me, to be honest.
The juice wasn't mixed. It was fully separated in the bottle and that's exactly how it was when I filled my clearo. And it tested at different nic levels in the clearo and bottle. I think that's pretty good confirmation that it wasn't mixed when the clearo was filled.
Yes, it was only 18mg/ml (+/- 2-4mg) in the clearo and no, that wouldn't have done anything to me. I've vaped everything from 6-24 without issue. My point is that I got nearly undiluted base in my clearo and that's what got me. Once shaken, sure, only 18. Before that, maybe 50.
FWIW, I got a response from the GM at the store...
"Your assumption that it was an incompletely mixed juice seems the most logical cause to me."
I'm awaiting a reply to my question of what mg/ml nic base they use.
to get best flavor out of juice, not only should you shake it before use, you should consider steeping it for at least 48hrs. especially heavy stuff like butter scotch. not uncommon to find people steeping for a week. this ensure proper mix of nic and rest of the content.
one thing to note is potential side effect from some ingredients in the juice. unlike digestion, you might develop allergic reaction to some stuff when vaping. while the primary ingredients might be common and safe, more vendors are creating complex cocktail which includes uncommon stuff. days of simple mix between PG/VG, Nic, and primary flavor is over and it is becoming a full blown chemistry show down. so if my body is reacting badly to a juice, i would simply throw it away. don't take any chance.
one thing to note is potential side effect from some ingredients in the juice. unlike digestion, you might develop allergic reaction to some stuff when vaping. while the primary ingredients might be common and safe, more vendors are creating complex cocktail which includes uncommon stuff. days of simple mix between PG/VG, Nic, and primary flavor is over and it is becoming a full blown chemistry show down. so if my body is reacting badly to a juice, i would simply throw it away. don't take any chance.
If the juice was separated in the bottle it could mean flavoring with oil was used or it has a high vg content. High vg juices are sometimes thinned with pga. If the juice was not left opened for the alcohol to evaporate, You could have vaped enough to give you the nausea you experienced. When in doubt throw it out .
I would return the bottle to the store you bought it. Something might have been wrong. Definately. Let the vendor see the product.
Well, the GM states that they mix their juice from 2 bottles of the same flavor - 1 of 24mg/ml and another of 0 mg/ml - in varying degrees to produce the 6, 12, and 18 mg/ml that they sell, and that it's therefore impossible for me to have received anything stronger than 24mg/ml.
We've had 4 email exchanges. Here's the last one...
Me:
GM:
Nice, huh? I'm just trying to figure out why the hell I seem to have experienced a NIC OD on 1 hit of their juice and this guy is done with me after a whole 4 emails over the course of 2 days. I never mentioned a lawsuit and it never even crossed my mind. I just wanted to know what the hell happened and to make sure that they were aware and took steps on their end to ensure it never happened again. Oh, and maybe get a refund for that juice and another bottle I'd bought at the same time.
Ah, well... now I'm p***ed. And I want proof that 24 mg/ml of that flavor is clear.
We've had 4 email exchanges. Here's the last one...
Me:
GM:
Nice, huh? I'm just trying to figure out why the hell I seem to have experienced a NIC OD on 1 hit of their juice and this guy is done with me after a whole 4 emails over the course of 2 days. I never mentioned a lawsuit and it never even crossed my mind. I just wanted to know what the hell happened and to make sure that they were aware and took steps on their end to ensure it never happened again. Oh, and maybe get a refund for that juice and another bottle I'd bought at the same time.
Ah, well... now I'm p***ed. And I want proof that 24 mg/ml of that flavor is clear.
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