Of all the irresponsible...POed, should I be?

[genghishahn]

I have a friend that's been wanting to vape deep into sub-ohm territory (he's coming from cartos, with not RBA experience). I told him, flat out, that I would not build him coils at those resistances--I'd answer questions, but not build. I believe very strongly that if one wants to get into subohm vaping, he or she should be proficient enough at building coils to build them themselves AND possess the necessary knowledge to do it safely--they've gotta earn it.


My friend is neither of these. I told him to practice rebuilding his EVOD, aiming for about 1.5ohms at the lowest, to get a handle on wrapping coils. I also told him to get familiar with Ohm's law and the amp limits of his batteries. He's done neither.


So he walks into one of our local B&M's and to make a long story short, he walks out with an IGO-L wrapped to 0.3ohms. He was told that it would be safe to use on his AW IMR 18350 because, "It has a 10 amp limit." He vaped away on it all day because he was told it was safe.


WHAT THE S***?!?! Now, I may be mistaken, but my understanding is that the AW IMR 18350 has an 8C amp limit (5.6A). It could be higher, but I'm pretty darn sure that it's under 10A. I see two serious problems with what he walked out with and what he was told:


1.) The amp limit he was given is flat out wrong.
2.) The setup would be over the amp limit EVEN IF IT WERE 10A.


In my eyes, this is un-ac-friggin-ceptable. Sales associates shouldn't be wrapping coils for customers at resistances below what can be bought off the shelf, especially if the salesperson doesn't have his facts straight. What if the customer was going to put it on an eGo battery? Or if the customer has no idea what an amp limit is? It's downright irresponsible.


There's another thread going in a similar vein. Someone's seriously going to wind up getting hurt one of these days...

 

[Steam Turbine]

You are absolutely right. The AW IRM 18350 700mha as a c rating of 8.

8 x 0.7 = 5.6A

Your friend is firing 13.333 amp through his device more than twice the safe limit of the said battery. You should write a complaint letter to the owner, and either bluff a lawsuit, or actually sue him for negligence....

I think it's the only way that these idiots will understand.

 

[steved5600]

And they will blame the manufacture and play the victim. Like I'm sure some of the exploded battery stories happened in the news. You can't fix stupid. What really happened.

 

[Rickajho]

Sheesh. Hope that 'lil B&M store has a boat load of liability insurance. Your friend better hope they have it too.

 

[The Ocelot]

Perhaps you should write a letter to the store owner (people often don't listen as closely when you speak to them) and advise him/her of the liability issue. If an employee is wrapping coils, that has nothing to do with the original manufacturer. On the other hand, should your friend be injured (only slightly, of course, but he was so stressed he started smoking again)...it might be fun to run a vape store.

 

[ShariR]

If I owned that vape store that employee would be fired immediately. This is a lawsuit waiting to happen. I can not imagine any store owner allowing an employee to build a coil that low. And if it is the owner of the store that did it, he deserves to lose his business.

And I know absolutely nothing about rebuildable anything. I just know people. That atomizer can be put on another device and seriously injure or kill the user. Stupidity. Bet the store's insurance company does not know about this.

 

[BigBaby]

Tell him that he needs to stop worrying his resistance and needs to think about his airflow. I made a video tonight to prove this concept, I can put most sub ohm(ers) to shame with a 1.9ohm coil drawing only 2.1 amps:



People need to understand that there is more to vapor production and a great vape than excessive amounts of power...

 

[BigBaby]

Double post

 

[Rickajho]

...it might be fun to run a vape store.

I swear...

After that last thread you and me (and many others) was chasing about "bad vape store" the thought occurred to me: We need to open a chain of ECF co-op run B&M stores. Plop one down right next to every bad vape store that comes up on the radar and we'd have them run outta business in a week.

Anyone got a spare half million not doing anything?

 

[The Ocelot]

I swear...

After that last thread you and me (and many others) was chasing about "bad vape store" the thought occurred to me: We need to open a chain of ECF co-op run B&M stores. Plop one down right next to every bad vape store that comes up on the radar and we'd have them run outta business in a week.

Anyone got a spare half million not doing anything?

It was actually a reference to Citizen Kane, "It might be fun to run a newspaper..."

 

[Mike Sheda]

Perhaps you should write a letter to the store owner (people often don't listen as closely when you speak to them) and advise him/her of the liability issue. If an employee is wrapping coils, that has nothing to due with the manufacturer. On the other hand, should your friend be injured (only slightly, of course, but he was so stressed he started smoking again)...it might be fun to run a vape store.

Actually, the minute that person wrapped that coil for their customer, they became the manufacturer.

 

[The Ocelot]

Actually, the minute that person wrapped that coil for their customer, they became the manufacturer.

Very true. I was sort of (unsuccessfully) referencing a prior comment about the store blaming the manufacturer.

 

[crxess]

Personally I would go into the b&m and speak calmly and directly with the person that set your friend up. Politely explaining why he would NEVER want to do this again strictly from a liability standpoint. He is placing both himself and the B&M owner in direct liability and probably not something he would want for either.
Open honesty keeps more customers than covering ignorance.

 

[Glen Snyder]

Tell him that he needs to stop worrying his resistance and needs to think about his airflow. I made a video tonight to prove this concept, I can put most sub ohm(ers) to shame with a 1.9ohm coil drawing only 2.1 amps:



People need to understand that there is more to vapor production and a great vape than excessive amounts of power...

And I bet your vape even tastes good without hitting the back of your throat like sucking on the exhaust pipe of a garbage truck.

 

[BigBaby]

oh yeah, and a battery charge lists many times longer as well.

 

[Baditude]

I agree with the others responding to the OP. This is flat out negligence and irresponsible of the shop vendor. And your friend is a fool to remain ignorant and stubborn to educate himself.

As I always say, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink it.

 

[Fizzpop]

Please tell us your friend isn't using this battery or coil anymore.

 

[AttyPops]

Although intermittent use is not the same as continuous drain, the over-amp point is well made. The "there's no need for it" point is even better.

Who the heck, when designing a circuit, would go out of their way to make it as inefficient as possible to achieve a good result?

That just floors me. I really don't see the major difference particularly since simply using 30 ga or even 32 ga wire solves almost all issues (but still do the math). Or like BigBaby did...fat loops and thus longer wire.

Nice post ya BigBaby!

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

I know you care about the safety and well being of your friend. But if he's determined to be stupid, there's not much you can do.

Someone who is bound and determined to wander through traffic even after being told that he could be hit and killed is beyond your help.

 

[mooshi]

I'd definitely speak to the shop owner. The local shop that I go to doesn't even give an option to the customer when just asked to make a coil (they automatically make it at like 1.2 or so). When asked to do sub-ohm, they tell the customer that it's their own liability and that they'll be happy to show them how to make a coil, but sub-ohm is on your own.

And I hope your friend starts listening to someone soon. He just sounds super stubborn.

Best wishes to all o' ya.