Kinda have to agree about Joye. I like the eGos -- even the 510s -- and still ahve a ton of eGo batts. They got me off smokes, they're trusty and reliable and one of the most popular E-cigs. But that success has made Joye complacent. They're not evolving with the market, they just keep trying to take incremental steps with the same eGo hardware, and the eGo-C ... well, I'm not impressed. What they've made in the past is reliable and works very well, but the market has evolved to the point where they're being overtaken by equal or better hardware that oftentimes is cheaper.