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[DPLongo22]

I have an active imagination.

 

[Corpa]

That you do DP, that you do. Hey, keeps life interesting.

 

[DPLongo22]

Yeah, well - if I could just get my wife to buy that line...

 

[gormly]

Sorry all, took the night off, saw The Lorax with my kids

hi Eric, when will the boge cartos be in ? I LOVE those things

In stock now in black only (both standard and lo-res), I gave the people who signed up to be notified first crack but I still have some left.

I'm so jealous! Those are absolutely beautiful and it makes a nice addition to your collection. I want the Box Elder Burl one!!!

I have all of the others in stock now.. you think that's nice, you need to see these XL3's in person, oh my goodness I am going to have a hard time parting with them for sure.

txtumbleweed- beautiful mod! I am looking at the Box Elder... gorgeous!

Eric- What is the possibility of getting those magical puffer sticks with 510 threading?

what are you, like a mind reader or something??

 

[Corpa]

Nooooooooooo, just desperate to use the new Gyriodal stainless steel drip tip (which I just received) on those little puffer stick jewels.

And good for you for taking the night off!

Sorry all, took the night off, saw The Lorax with my kids

what are you, like a mind reader or something??

 

[Corpa]

Oh and I forgot to add... another chance at a new bonus color

 

[gormly]

PRODUCT UPDATE


All in stock now:

More of these...
Vision eGo Clearomizer
this is the one getting all the rave reviews, I have a test one and it's pretty great.
The carto screws onto an ego thread (like the XL3) and eliminates the need for a cone as it is basically a cone shaped clearo. Very nice.

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Vision "Tox"
an improved version of the LavaTube (according to manufacturer)
Comes with extension tube so this can be mini, or regular sized.
This is only in kit form, so it will be higher priced.

Please note, there has been a test or two floating around about these having issues with the tops and the voltages not being quite up to what they say, the reading on them reads fine, but under load they are much lower. Not a deal breaker for sure as it works fine but getting the highest voltage (6V) doesn't seem to be possible. I am hoping to get replacement tops and will replace anyone's top who buys it if so. I have priced it lower because of this potential issue. Unfortunately my home built meter isn't working properly so I will try to remake it tomorrow and see what I can find out, that said, it's still pretty cool.

One glaring issue is them clock on this thing, taking the battery out resets it so there really is no point to it. The firing button is in a better place though when compared to the Lava, at least for me, it is higher where a normal button would be and not on the side. The ability to go from a mini to a standard tube is great and included in the kit.

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VV 6Volt Unit
(Same as the Ovale that I sold out of)
This is just the unit itself, no battery, no charger, no carts, just the unit.
The picture above shows it all but it's only the unit itself.

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The "Maz" Clearomizer Tank Also know as the Stone
This is VERSION 3

5ml capacity
510 threaded
2.8-3.0 ohms

Comes with a WHITE DRIP TIP

New improved features in this version:
New stainless steel caps and base metal
New silicone ring at base to further prevent leakage.
Improved threading
Improved tube now at 5mm

Thick tank quality plastic that is threaded on the top and bottom to completely seal the unit.

Easy fill straight out of your juice bottle, no syringes, etc.
Thicker coil for longer lasting performance; requires a small amount of break-in time to optimize.
You can clean, dry burn easiy, screw everything back together, fill and vape!

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The "Numb" Kit

Sliding Cartomizer, variable voltage (3.4V or 3.7V or 4.0V) Also has the time, so it's a clock too

I have many colors in this, it will take me a while to post them all.


IN STOCK RIGHT NOW



LG 14650 - Redwood Burl - Includes Cone

LG XL3 - Variable Voltage - Buckeye Burl

LG XL3 - Variable Voltage - Box Elder Burl

LG XL3 - Variable Voltage - Tasmanian Eucalyptus Burl

LG XL3 - Variable Voltage - Box Elder Burl

You know I have to say, I am blown away by the look and quality of these wood mods (all of them) this last batch especially, they are just wonderous. These are truly a collectors piece, there is NOTHING on the market like this... nothing.

 

[gormly]

I got my Redwood Burl 14650 today and boy is it pretty. It really feels nice too! It is for sure the nicest looking PV I have in my arsenal! Now all I need to find is the right drip tip to match.

so would you say it is worth the extra cost?

 

[SCTony]

Just ordered a "Numb" - colors available? What color is the one in the pic? How blue is blue? Thanks Eric.

( i really just ordered to get another ball )

 

[gormly]

I have:
H, G, B, D in SATIN

Unfortunately they sent me "miniNumbs" also and shorted my order;

In the Mini I have:
I, F, A, D, H in SATIN

MiniNumb does not have the slider and it's half the size.

 

[Urge]

Eric, when do you think the full size Lava Tubes will be in stock? Are you planning on carrying Pila chargers? There is another thread on ECF

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/requests-opinions-reviews/255646-aw-vs-trustfire-18350-battery-battle.html

and the guy is a battery expert and recommends the AW IC batteries instead of the AW IMF batteries.

AriM wrote..."AW batteries are not made in the USA. All AW branded batteries are assembled in China, using mostly Panasonic (Japanese) Cells and Japan made protection PCB's (unles they exclude PCB protection). I have tested Virtually every brand of battery on the market, using proper lab equipment (charge discharge load tests as well as oscillograms under switching and constant loads) and the AW batteries I have had in the lab test far and above any other brand I have had on the bench. To be fair I should mention that there are some custom/exotic cells and packs I have tested that are head and shoulders above anything AW offers, but they are not readily available...and certainly not in the realm of sanity (in terms of cost). Also many of the more exotic battery chemistry/compunds are HIGHLY dangerous when they go into thermal runaway, and you most certainly would NOT want them anywhere near your mouth when they explode.

Now it's safe to say that the TrustFire, UltraFire, Tenergy brands are adequate and acceptable. They will work, and you will get vapor, but they all suffer from varying degrees of drop out voltage (parasitic voltage drop under load). Of course ALL batteries suffer some form of drop out (at least anything that will fit in a PV and is in the realm of sane cost). My testing shows, however, that AW batteries (generally) have FAR less drop-out voltage...when comparing apple to apples.

I am dramatically understating the varying chemistry/compound of each unique cell....but I can say that as a rough generalization, AW's outperform the other common brands. I can also say that generally "IMR" AW's are NOT worth the hype they are built up upon. I much prefer the AW IC line. There is no real benefit to the "high drain battery". Yes there is a nominally "better" discharge curve over the life of the cell, but it is hardly noticeable on a HV mod and you do give up the benefit of under-voltage protection. Which, IMO, is the single most important characteristic of a Lithium Chemistry battery. Over discharging a Lithium battery will degrade it's life, and in most cases destroy the cell. All of the above holds true for ANY Lithium chemistry....including "LiFe", "LiION", "LiPO", "LiCo", "NNP" (you get the idea)...

Also you ask which cell "holds charge the longest". The answer is not so simple. Holds what level of charge? Some batteries will give you a specific voltage over the life of the cell, which will dwindle down to virtually "unusable" current availability...even though the cell is showing a nominal voltage of 3.2-3.4 volts. What really matters in a cell/battery is what will give you the most consistent performance over the longest period of time. If that is your concern then I can tell you that you will be best off with the AW IC 18500 (if you are looking for the best balance of size, capacity and potential discharge current). I am staring at a few of them right now (there is technically no IMR 18500...it would be an 18490...since it's a bit shorter). I personally wouldn't recommend or use anything else for a small 3.7v PV (unless money is no object).

Also...all of this information is splitting hairs, because to really answer the question truthfully a person would need to test a specific cell on a specific device in a specific situation. I suppose there is no "best", just what is more appropriate for your needs.

Hope the onslaught of information isn't too lengthy, and if anyone does bother to read through it...I hope it helps.



P.S. I was able to test a MASSIVE difference in drop out voltage between trustfire/ultrafire/tenergy 14500's and aw IC 14500's. A difference of 1.72 volts under heavy load (running a pair on various electronics packages). "

Sorry to include this lengthy quote but the thread is 22 pages long. Is there any chance you will be carrying those?

Urge

 

[LordDavon]

Now see what you've done, I need to go place another order just to take a shot at the green one. What color is the other one, orange?

I didn't know there was an orange on either. I don't have the green, or the orange. I have blue and red. More orders must be done! I must have them all!

 

[LordDavon]

Eric,

If you want, I can send you my meter, or order one and have it sent to you, so you can test the TOX units. At 6V, they still do 4.2V under load (like the XL3), and are still usable.

I did an Ovale VV review, and I must say, they are the absolute best item to use a Vision eGo Claromizer on. You can use a 510-to-eGo adapter, and for some reason, it loosens the draw.

I haven't done a Stone III review yet, but I know there is going to be one around the corner. I am going to do a "generic" one, so other sites can use it also, if I can.

The "Numb" units are very popular, and people love them. They have received great reviews around the web -- I didn't do one -- but, I think it has been recommended in every review.

 

[sonicdsl]

Eric, when do you think the full size Lava Tubes will be in stock? Are you planning on carrying Pila chargers? There is another thread on ECF

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/requests-opinions-reviews/255646-aw-vs-trustfire-18350-battery-battle.html

and the guy is a battery expert and recommends the AW IC batteries instead of the AW IMF batteries.

AriM wrote..."AW batteries are not made in the USA. All AW branded batteries are assembled in China, using mostly Panasonic (Japanese) Cells and Japan made protection PCB's (unles they exclude PCB protection). I have tested Virtually every brand of battery on the market, using proper lab equipment (charge discharge load tests as well as oscillograms under switching and constant loads) and the AW batteries I have had in the lab test far and above any other brand I have had on the bench. To be fair I should mention that there are some custom/exotic cells and packs I have tested that are head and shoulders above anything AW offers, but they are not readily available...and certainly not in the realm of sanity (in terms of cost). Also many of the more exotic battery chemistry/compunds are HIGHLY dangerous when they go into thermal runaway, and you most certainly would NOT want them anywhere near your mouth when they explode.

Now it's safe to say that the TrustFire, UltraFire, Tenergy brands are adequate and acceptable. They will work, and you will get vapor, but they all suffer from varying degrees of drop out voltage (parasitic voltage drop under load). Of course ALL batteries suffer some form of drop out (at least anything that will fit in a PV and is in the realm of sane cost). My testing shows, however, that AW batteries (generally) have FAR less drop-out voltage...when comparing apple to apples.

I am dramatically understating the varying chemistry/compound of each unique cell....but I can say that as a rough generalization, AW's outperform the other common brands. I can also say that generally "IMR" AW's are NOT worth the hype they are built up upon. I much prefer the AW IC line. There is no real benefit to the "high drain battery". Yes there is a nominally "better" discharge curve over the life of the cell, but it is hardly noticeable on a HV mod and you do give up the benefit of under-voltage protection. Which, IMO, is the single most important characteristic of a Lithium Chemistry battery. Over discharging a Lithium battery will degrade it's life, and in most cases destroy the cell. All of the above holds true for ANY Lithium chemistry....including "LiFe", "LiION", "LiPO", "LiCo", "NNP" (you get the idea)...

Also you ask which cell "holds charge the longest". The answer is not so simple. Holds what level of charge? Some batteries will give you a specific voltage over the life of the cell, which will dwindle down to virtually "unusable" current availability...even though the cell is showing a nominal voltage of 3.2-3.4 volts. What really matters in a cell/battery is what will give you the most consistent performance over the longest period of time. If that is your concern then I can tell you that you will be best off with the AW IC 18500 (if you are looking for the best balance of size, capacity and potential discharge current). I am staring at a few of them right now (there is technically no IMR 18500...it would be an 18490...since it's a bit shorter). I personally wouldn't recommend or use anything else for a small 3.7v PV (unless money is no object).

Also...all of this information is splitting hairs, because to really answer the question truthfully a person would need to test a specific cell on a specific device in a specific situation. I suppose there is no "best", just what is more appropriate for your needs.

Hope the onslaught of information isn't too lengthy, and if anyone does bother to read through it...I hope it helps.



P.S. I was able to test a MASSIVE difference in drop out voltage between trustfire/ultrafire/tenergy 14500's and aw IC 14500's. A difference of 1.72 volts under heavy load (running a pair on various electronics packages). "

Sorry to include this lengthy quote but the thread is 22 pages long. Is there any chance you will be carrying those?

Urge

You must also consider the manufacturer's recommendation, i.e. the mini LT or LT and other protected circuit PV's that recommend the IMR for safer chemistry. The ones with PCB ("protected") should be used on mods with no circuitry such as ones with mechanical switches. This should be considered first, and then brand/mAh, etc. for longevity.

Course this is just my opinion based on what I've researched here and at some flashlight and battery sites.

 

[SCTony]

Hmmmmp and just where did you get that pen?

...i have 2.....just say'n....

 

[SCTony]

BTW> Eric has already marked my Numb order as ShippeD! Yay! WTG Eric!! [16 minutes after I let him know what color](...come on orangie ball....crossin my fingers...)

 

[gormly]

Eric, when do you think the full size Lava Tubes will be in stock? Are you planning on carrying Pila chargers? There is another thread on ECF


Also...all of this information is splitting hairs, because to really answer the question truthfully a person would need to test a specific cell on a specific device in a specific situation. I suppose there is no "best", just what is more appropriate for your needs.

Hope the onslaught of information isn't too lengthy, and if anyone does bother to read through it...I hope it helps.



P.S. I was able to test a MASSIVE difference in drop out voltage between trustfire/ultrafire/tenergy 14500's and aw IC 14500's. A difference of 1.72 volts under heavy load (running a pair on various electronics packages). "

Sorry to include this lengthy quote but the thread is 22 pages long. Is there any chance you will be carrying those?

Urge

Urge

I should have the Full size Silvers soon, I do not have tracking yet, I will post when I do, they are paid for.
I couldn't find a wholesaler for Pila.. but I can get the Xtar which runs a close second. I am working on it.


For batteries...
Thank you for the information, I certainly appreciate it.

That said, I got a lot of "how long does it last" out of this rather than "how safe is it"
My focus is and always will be on safety rather than life of battery. If the manufacturer tells me IMR, I will put it on my website and recommend it, if someone from ECF says differently, customers are free to chose. I place no restrictions on what someone can purchase.

I have been sent a lot of information from one of our Go-go Nation members and she is diligent about it.
A bunch of manufacturer videos on tests with IMR's and other types of batteries. For the moment at least, I am recommending AW IMR for all "mods" or casings that have removable batteries. This is NOT to say UltraFires/TrustFires are not safe, just that the AW IMR from what I have seen in testing (shorting out the batt causing high rapid drain) the IMR are "safest" from a shorting out standpoint. The "exploding battery" issue from what I know was caused by someone using unprotected CR123's STACKED, for all we know he put them in wrong, was embarrassed and blamed the mod. The media likes to latch onto something and sensationalize it. I am NOT saying everything is safe, far from it and in no circumstances should anyone ever take the word of a vendor , myself included (or the media) over proper research.

As vendors we are hit by so much information it's hard enough just to keep up with the products themselves, let alone the batteries that go with them. So a good conscientious vendor will list what is recommended by the manufacturer and leave it at that.

Please don't take this as a case closed kind of thing, we all need to know this information, so please, continue to post whatever you find.

 

[Corpa]

I would say it was definitely a wise marketing scheme on Eric's part because that's why I placed another order today.

Eric, please take note... I have TWO red and a yellow.

I didn't know there was an orange on either. I don't have the green, or the orange. I have blue and red. More orders must be done! I must have them all!

 

[gormly]

...i have 2.....just say'n....

I am out of pens
The place I get them screwed up my order and hasn't shipped... takes a month to get them.
I am trying to get the good ones, like when I had the Go-go pens, those were awesome.

BTW> Eric has already marked my Numb order as ShippeD! Yay! WTG Eric!! [16 minutes after I let him know what color](...come on orangie ball....crossin my fingers...)

Well, I hope you're not holding your breath, it's not like I would open the package and put an orange ball in it just because you said something...

 

[SCTony]

Lol that would be cheatin.....