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AG51

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That's true, Sonic, but getting something new keeps it interesting. :blush:
It is true to keep the interest going and exploring everything to find the one thing that makes you happy :) I started out with small 808 batteries, moved onto ego type 'fat batts', then moved to mods, then box mods, then a provari, now I've given my provari & other mods away to friends because I I found they weren't 'Best' for ME. I've gone down to a smaller size mod, a RobustA is my favorites and a couple mod boxes I made for myself, & my pass thrus is what I use today. vaping is a journey, enjoy the trip. You WILL find what works just for YOU. That's all that matters no matter what anyone else says :D
 

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It is true to keep the interest going and exploring everything to find the one thing that makes you happy :) I started out with small 808 batteries, moved onto ego type 'fat batts', then moved to mods, then box mods, then a provari, now I've given my provari & other mods away to friends because I I found they weren't 'Best' for ME. I've gone down to a smaller size mod, a RobustA is my favorites and a couple mod boxes I made for myself, & my pass thrus is what I use today. Vaping is a journey, enjoy the trip. You WILL find what works just for YOU. That's all that matters no matter what anyone else says :D

I agree with Monkey Mama, and Monkey Mama is never wrong. Well 99.9867892% of the time she's correct. Live long and prosper.
 

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I agree with Monkey Mama, and Monkey Mama is never wrong. Well 99.9867892% of the time she's correct. Live long and prosper.
I would NEVER say I was always right :laugh::laugh: like the time I said I could fix the tv
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it never quite worked good after that !
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You however are correct in saying.....Live Long & Prosper !!!
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I would NEVER say I was always right :laugh::laugh: like the time I said I could fix the tv
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it never quite worked good after that !
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You however are correct in saying.....Live Long & Prosper !!!
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what do you mean your tv never worked quite right? You fixed that tv to show 3d, it seems. Look at that beautiful picture quality. It seems the images just pop out of the screen!
 

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That's true, Sonic, but getting something new keeps it interesting. :blush:

They say that whatever keeps you off the analogs is the best pv! I also agree that new things keep it interesting! It doesn't have to be expensive.... just a new clearo, juice, carto, tank, mod or whatever is something to look forward to coming in the mail!

I think the main difference between batteries and mods is that the mods have removeable batteries, which you can just change out, instead of having to wait for your battery style e-cig to charge... The twists add variable voltage, which helps if you are using higher resolutions.
 
I recently made a purchase. In the order was a few ce4 510 drip tip adapters. The image you show is seemingly from vixen vapers. I say seemingly because a google image search brings up their sites image as the first image shown. Their image you seemingly lifted shows a unit that is hand made in the usa. It is not plated.
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What I got:
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(image is rehosted & is not using the image owners servers)
I figured I may as well use GVs image as they have the real image & they price it for a few cents cheaper than your slight of hand BS, that may have been non intended due to you simply rushing to lift an image([as I suspect] rather than buy a camera of lift it from your suppliers honestly!) I got burned by you rushing! I do not want a return to save a few pennies, as I was shopping mainly for 3 gennies...



Mostly DV & partially yourcig aka AGA have ...... mE off big time with a non laughing matter.

1. I am not a beta tester. The 3 dollar discount you offered when you put up the Satyr lured mE ignorantly into being one without being told so. Did anyone you know try the units before they went public? I realize you are not an RA expert, but did you try it or test it. I doubt it as this is what it says on your site:
NOTE: This is pre-assembled
I did not want it pre-assembled. But they are not set up to vape. A non wound silica wick & small piece of straight coil wire are in a cellophane packet.[just sayin, so other potential suckers know reality.] I ask if anyone tested it because...

2. The floor plate/ wick hole section of the Satry is almost if not twice as thick as the Griffin(made by another company). It is more than twice the thickness of the much larger hydra(same company).
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[note: satyr unit is sanded in image]
The Hydra & Tiamat by aga have recessed machine work under the plate to reduce the thickness. It seems the wick holes can not be drilled any larger, as their is no space on the bottom. From the top it seems some room is there, but the top of the section is wider than the bottom.
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From the bottom I can see they went as far as humanly possible without busting through.
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It is the smallest, yet has the thickest wick plate.:mad:

I imagine the Chinese direct sales markets do not use mesh nor cotton. Thus they only beta test silica wicks. You & I know these units are intended for mesh users in the US & Euro markets. I do not vape silica & maybe with around 11mm of steel to pass though to get from tank zone to vapor making zone silica may work in the Satyr to some small degree. I know with less massively unnecessary thickness all wick material would likely wick better in it. Mesh in it [stock], lol NOT!. The Griffin & Satyr have approx the same wick hole diameter. I took the known working wick from my griffin that was vaping well. I placed it in the Satyr & wickage was unvapable. It was choked by too thick of steel plate walls.

3. I do not want a return, I have invested more time to get one of them to vape OK (but less than a griffin) than is worth the money spent on the whole order. I also intend to call you out on other BS & do not want hush money that may prevent mE from doing so to let others see what BS I see(you are a seller & I am a table turner, if need be & I feel I am). I want to see your company churn(be agitated, as was done to mE) & will keep the shoddy beta units as reminder of the hurt & to avoid DV with a bitter taste unless major changes happen.

These items were a gift to mE. I spent many many many hours getting one of the units to work. I spent the long hours because I personally wanted them to vape & because the family member whom bought them for mE read the disappointment in my eyes & hurt travels that way. A gift was now hurting us both. You are lucky to not see peoples eyes & only mostly just their money.

I was able to sandpaper a few mm off & make it vape with mesh. Weakly as it is still way thick! Even sanded expect dry hits & less mesh than can be used in the griffins apparently same size hole. Getting the pressed-in inserts out without destroying the units so that the top could be sanded, was only due to my cunning. I fear most would not be so clever & thus sanding is not an option for them. I hope they bought theirs to use the silica wick (if it even vapes):glare:
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IMO you should pull these units from your site, if you also find the units to not work well @ all with mesh. YOUR market intends to primarily use mesh.

PS You may want to test all of the caps if you decide to keep selling these TRUE DUDs, as I bought three @ an had an alignment issue with one. 2 had caps rubber seals that actually work thus sealing & allowing adjustment. One of them needed the cap sanded as the seal was not compressed @ all & thus did not align @ its dead non adjustable stop to either wick hole.

PSS the airhole is very very low almost on the floor.( stock with no sanding done to the wick hole plate.)

I am not a business man because it is too much for mE to handle. I know my limits in that area. I do not hate you I feel sorry for you because I think your original intent of caring for the community has grown into partial milking. ECF members gave you links to 7 cents delivered nuts & bolts & what is the % markup on that 35 cent 1.99 sale. A Gouging one.
Extremely overpriced as I paid way too much for these, my bad.. I am in the corner, I know :(
I am not that stupid & hope other get wise to the BS
You are no longer a nice guy nor a proper businessman if you ever were one to anyone. You are a currently a BSer, IMO more slimy than a stereotypical used car salesman. I already showed that earlier with the (likely non intended) bait & switch drip tip adapter. The screws tighten & add to reality lost in sales tactics.

PSSS the griffin bolts & allen keys are not the correct match. I figure you already know that. I do not know if the replacements are or not. But if you cared you would have made the manufacture give you replacement to send each person that ordered one with needing to ask for it. Instead I imagine you likely push more of the same shoddy non fitting parts.

PSSSS I guess I & and others are supposed to be mind readers or find deeply hidden threads to know you give a few freebie bolts with orders, if the units are verified to have been purchased from your company. Putting it in the website description may lead to to many people asking for them. Small hidden print tactic. You reek of milking sales tactics.

I am not done...be back soon...Just tired... I am disabled & it takes mE very long to write
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Wow no replies to this? Oh how times have changed .

no sense in responding to blather.:2c: Pretty sure Eric's got a handle on it.

Someone sounds angry! I couldn't read it was too long.. If I'm super unhappy I'd sooner email the vendor first.. This either belongs in an email or a negative feedback where Eric and Eric alone can handle this post..

I didn't read it all either, but the pics are nice and big.:facepalm:

Anyone who has any experience dealing with Eric and Discount Vapers (and Go-GoUsa for us old-timers!) knows that he is EXTREMELY honest.
Anyone with any intellect can recognize the ravings of a lunatic.

Amen.:nun:
 

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To all my friends and customers (same thing :)) who read the following, please know this is not how I usually respond to someone with a complaint but as this one is clearly out of bounds, please forgive my tone, I cannot let this pass.


I am going to respond to this post in RED, and then this is over.
You started with a good complaint, then stepped over the line with the insults. This is NOT the way to handle a complaint however valid you think it is on a vendors forum, at the very least you should have stated your grievance and left the insults out.
I can understand frustration, but what you just did is not acceptable.

I recently made a purchase. In the order was a few ce4 510 drip tip adapters. The image you show is seemingly from vixen vapers. I say seemingly because a google image search brings up their sites image as the first image shown. Their image you seemingly lifted shows a unit that is hand made in the usa. It is not plated.

Do not know if it is from there but could be you are 100% right I got the image from google because I just didn't have the time when I first got the item in. I also have something completely different from what it was the first batch, so those are both on me, my mistake. This new batches looks very unlike the first batch and it is my fault for just dumping them in the bin and not checking.

However, to claim I am doing it to bilk you out of a few dollars (which you do basically further down with the insults) is ridiculous, everyone here knows that I will refund, fix replace anything that anyone has a complaint about.. if they choose to contact me before villifying me in a forum post as you did.


Mostly DV & partially yourcig aka AGA have ...... mE off big time with a non laughing matter.

1. I am not a beta tester. The 3 dollar discount you offered when you put up the Satyr lured mE ignorantly into being one without being told so. Did anyone you know try the units before they went public? I realize you are not an RA expert, but did you try it or test it. I doubt it as this is what it says on your site:
NOTE: This is pre-assembled

That was a another mistake, I must have left out the "not" but in the description below in the review section I mention it isn't prebuilt, so you could clearly see that at the very least I made a mistake somewhere and it wasn't intentional.
I am no scammer, that's just way beyond the call MisterE and not at all justified.


The rest of your complaints are not valid and where you should have contacted me.



I did not want it pre-assembled. But they are not set up to vape. A non wound silica wick & small piece of straight coil wire are in a cellophane packet.[just sayin, so other potential suckers know reality.] I ask if anyone tested it because...

They aren't pre-assembled so you got what you really wanted? Being setup to vape would be pre-assembled, so you are asking for both ways? and the complaint is what exactly? That it didn't come pre-coiled, but that's something you didn't want, so I a confused as to what you really wanted and I failed to deliver on.

And all the other "suckers" who read what was included in the actual description of the item are somehow being duped into buying what the description tells them is included? aside from the missing "not" the description is dead on.


2. The floor plate/ wick hole section of the Satry is almost if not twice as thick as the Griffin(made by another company). It is more than twice the thickness of the much larger hydra(same company).

The Hydra & Tiamat by aga have recessed machine work under the plate to reduce the thickness. It seems the wick holes can not be drilled any larger, as their is no space on the bottom. From the top it seems some room is there, but the top of the section is wider than the bottom.
From the bottom I can see they went as far as humanly possible without busting through.
It is the smallest, yet has the thickest wick plate.:mad:

This has to do with what exactly? You are talking about the satry but using the griffin/hydra/tiamat as a comparison? I do not claim they are the same unit, I do not claim the plates are the same thickness. I further do not claim it works with mesh. (not sure why it wouldn't but I do not claim it in the description either way) what you are describing is something you do not like about it or desire to have, easily rectified by email me and getting a refund (but you did not buy it... as you said later)

The description is not misleading you into thinking it is a mesh capable device (even though I think it is) further you didn't even buy it? someone bought it for you? so even if there was something in the description that was ambiguous, it wouldn't have happened to you.. no?



I imagine the Chinese direct sales markets do not use mesh nor cotton. Thus they only beta test silica wicks. You & I know these units are intended for mesh users in the US & Euro markets.

No, they come with wick, they are as intended. I sell what they send me and if they can do mesh I put it in the description. That some of the AGA can use mesh is a bonus and something the Chinese are just starting to realize. I am sure we will see more soon enough

I do not vape silica & maybe with around 11mm of steel to pass though to get from tank zone to vapor making zone silica may work in the Satyr to some small degree. I know with less massively unnecessary thickness all wick material would likely wick better in it. Mesh in it [stock], lol NOT!. The Griffin & Satyr have approx the same wick hole diameter. I took the known working wick from my griffin that was vaping well. I placed it in the Satyr & wickage was unvapable. It was choked by too thick of steel plate walls. [/COLOR]

again, this is a dislike you have for a product AND a misunderstanding of what the product is intended for it was you who assumed it was a mesh item, I didn't put that in the description, but even if I had, this was easily rectified with an email and not something that some how proves I am a cheat???

3. I do not want a return, I have invested more time to get one of them to vape OK (but less than a griffin) than is worth the money spent on the whole order. I also intend to call you out on other BS & do not want hush money that may prevent mE from doing so to let others see what BS I see(you are a seller & I am a table turner, if need be & I feel I am). I want to see your company churn(be agitated, as was done to mE) & will keep the shoddy beta units as reminder of the hurt & to avoid DV with a bitter taste unless major changes happen.

First hush money? seriously? That's even more insulting than calling me slimy... but much more importantly, be careful what you say on ECF, this is a veiled threat and completely against ecf rules..

These items were a gift to mE. I spent many many many hours getting one of the units to work. I spent the long hours because I personally wanted them to vape & because the family member whom bought them for mE read the disappointment in my eyes & hurt travels that way. A gift was now hurting us both. You are lucky to not see peoples eyes & only mostly just their money.

I would be extremely joyed to see everyone's eyes, 99% of my customers are happy with me and I would like to see that, it would very much make me a happier person. It would also allow me to take care of those not happy faster.

I would imagine that your family member did not contact me because you didn't want to tell them you didn't like it? That's on you, not me. If you or they had contacted me, we would have figured something out no one would have to have been disappointed


I was able to sandpaper a few mm off & make it vape with mesh. Weakly as it is still way thick! Even sanded expect dry hits & less mesh than can be used in the griffins apparently same size hole. Getting the pressed-in inserts out without destroying the units so that the top could be sanded, was only due to my cunning. I fear most would not be so clever & thus sanding is not an option for them. I hope they bought theirs to use the silica wick (if it even vapes):glare:

this is dead horse, you are using it for a purpose not explicitly stated. If you do not like the item, that is ok, you can return, it post a review do whatever you like, but to come onto a forum and use these complaints about a design you do not like and turn it into a vendor bash session is unacceptable. I do not make these items. If someone is not happy I refund the payment, there isn't much else I can do.

fully two thirds of your post is about a product you attempted to use for a purpose not stated in the description.


IMO you should pull these units from your site, if you also find the units to not work well @ all with mesh. YOUR market intends to primarily use mesh.

No, I will not pull them, they work with wick and wire, for one, my description does not say anything about mesh, it say "wick and wire" many times (I am repeating myself to counter your claims). If you (or the person you know) bought this for you with mesh in mind, that is not my fault. As far as I know it works with mesh, if you say it doesn't great, I won't be adding it to the description.

You seem to be stuck on comparing the griffin/timamat and hydra even tough they are not the same products.

I sell the aga-t and hydra and griffin as mesh devices and it's in their descriptions, it is not in the satry description because I do not have a report from LD, who is who I rely on for these things.


I am not a business man because it is too much for mE to handle. I know my limits in that area. I do not hate you I feel sorry for you because I think your original intent of caring for the community has grown into partial milking. ECF members gave you links to 7 cents delivered nuts & bolts & what is the % markup on that 35 cent 1.99 sale. A Gouging one.
Extremely overpriced as I paid way too much for these, my bad.. I am in the corner, I know :(
I am not that stupid & hope other get wise to the BS

I don't think you are aware of one key fact, I cannot sell .35 parts. If a person orders a .35 part and that is all they order I lose money on packaging and the transaction, that is not a wise business decision, the time and cost to package an order is well above .35. I am charged .32 just to process an order with the merchant account and that is BEFORE they take their sales percentage and before the other costs involved.

also my customers tell me it's ok...


You are no longer a nice guy nor a proper businessman if you ever were one to anyone. You are a currently a BSer, IMO more slimy than a stereotypical used car salesman. I already showed that earlier with the (likely non intended) bait & switch drip tip adapter. The screws tighten & add to reality lost in sales tactics.

You just called me slimy and then 'likely non intended" how can someone without intent be slimy?

PSSSS I guess I & and others are supposed to be mind readers or find deeply hidden threads to know you give a few freebie bolts with orders, if the units are verified to have been purchased from your company. Putting it in the website description may lead to to many people asking for them. Small hidden print tactic. You reek of milking sales tactics.

as mentioned above there is a packaging cost to consider on this and I do not have thousands on hand

So to sum up:
1. The CE4 adapter picture was lifted from google; Check, guilty as charged, I apologize, I have time issues.
2. The CE4 adapter sent was not exactly what was pictured, Check, guilty as charged I apologize, I have time issues, didn't check it, serious error on my part, but it is a ce4 adapter.
3. I inadvertently left out a "not" in the top of the satyr description, but to my credit in the review section I clearly state it's not pre-assembled and I list the parts... partially guilty. (darn it!)
4. everything you have said about the satyr is invalidated by your assumption that it is a mesh device, even though it says no where in the description as such. Not guilty

2 1/2 out of 4 is really poor on my part until you consider the bulk of your complaint.



I am not done...be back soon...Just tired... I am disabled & it takes mE very long to write

Yes, you are done, there will be no more of this. If you have a complaint take it up with me directly, you are not going to call me names and threaten me in my own forum any further posts will be deleted if they do not fit within the confines of normal discussion. you can rail all you want and try to ruin my business in another part of ECF. what you just did was completely unfair and unwarranted.

I am sorry for your troubles, but this all could have easily been rectified if you have taken one tenth the effort you put into this forum post and just contacted me.

For anyone reading this book, please do not take anything I said above as an indication that I am not helpful and flexible, this post was just unwarranted in my opinion, if you have an issue, please contact me, I will always take care of it. :)
 

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For anyone reading this book, please do not take anything I said above as an indication that I am not helpful and flexible, this post was just unwarranted in my opinion
Quite the opposite Eric, I am sitting here thinking you my friend are one hell of a guy for even answering the guy & keeping your cool about it, as it was totally unwarranted :thumbs:


The rest of us already know how honest and helpful you are...........
 
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