I usually refer to Portland as "over there", I don't even like to say the "P" word. *shivers* We lived there for all of about 2 years, then I was finally able to convince my husband we needed to move back to Vancouver, because I was not going to send my son to school "over there". I will say that Oregon does offer some beautiful scenery, but you have to go
through "over there" to get to most of those places from here. Anyway, its out of our way, we'd have to back track, and then we'd be late to Kaleb's and we can't keep him waiting. Just an aside, if you manage to get us kicked out of Kaleb's place, I have relatives in Spokane, so we can crash there.