Official ProVari 3 Thread - P3 *PART 2*

[Bronze]

Are you over your excitement or are you going to charge another battery today?

I think I'm settling down now Ping. It's never as good as the first time...as they say.

On a serious note, however, I do feel safer charging batteries on this new VP2 versus my old clunker. I never knew what protections were built into that old Trustfire or if they were even functioning anymore. So this was a $35 peace of mind investment. We'll never know if it prevented my house from burning down but that's OK by me.

 

[rbrylawski]

I'm not speaking for Bronze, but I re-charged all my batteries in my Xtar last night. I'm not giddy today, but I must admit the charger is really nice. It's quiet (whereas my Intellicharger made odd noises) and it's reassuring to see the Volts my batteries are charged to via the LCD panel. It really is worth the price of admission.

That said, I charged up all my AW 18490 1200mah batteries. I'm still confused as to why they read lower IQ and don't last as long as my 1100mah batteries. It's a mystery to me, I'm telling you. I wondered if IQ would be improved in any way because of the new charger. It wasn't.

When it comes time to get new batteries, I'm likely going to pass on AW 18490 1200mah's. I don't know if they still make the 1100mah ones?

 

[Bronze]

I'm not speaking for Bronze, but I re-charged all my batteries in my Xtar last night. I'm not giddy today, but I must admit the charger is really nice. It's quiet (whereas my Intellicharger made odd noises) and it's reassuring to see the Volts my batteries are charged to via the LCD panel. It really is worth the price of admission.

That said, I charged up all my AW 18490 1200mah batteries. I'm still confused as to why they read lower IQ and don't last as long as my 1100mah batteries. It's a mystery to me, I'm telling you. I wondered if IQ would be improved in any way because of the new charger. It wasn't.

When it comes time to get new batteries, I'm likely going to pass on AW 18490 1200mah's. I don't know if they still make the 1100mah ones?

Sir Rod, the P3 IQ feature does not measure charge quality or capacity. It measures connection quality. For whatever reason (due to manufacturing), your newer batteries don't have as good a connection as your old batteries. But it doesn't have anything to do with their capacity or charging performance. Truthfully, a difference of 10 - 15 points on the P3 IQ meter means between little and nothing in my mind. I have some 18490's that register a 93 and some that register a 79 and age of battery is not affecting it in any way. I notice zero difference in performance or charge endurance. I think once the battery has served its useful life and we see IQs dipping to 50 and below then we know there is an issue. But I wont concern myself between a 93 and a 79.

 

[Mowgli]

That white spot right in the middle would be a nice place for a 510 connection

Or usb passthrough connection port...

usb data port for downloadable updates

 

[Pinggolfer]

That said, I charged up all my AW 18490 1200mah batteries. I'm still confused as to why they read lower IQ and don't last as long as my 1100mah batteries. It's a mystery to me, I'm telling you. I wondered if IQ would be improved in any way because of the new charger. It wasn't.

When it comes time to get new batteries, I'm likely going to pass on AW 18490 1200mah's. I don't know if they still make the 1100mah ones?

As long as the IQ reads good don't let it drive you nuts.

 

[rbrylawski]

Sir Rod, the P3 IQ feature does not measure charge quality or capacity. It measures connection quality. For whatever reason (due to manufacturing), your newer batteries don't have as good a connection as your old batteries. But it doesn't have anything to do with their capacity or charging performance. Truthfully, a difference of 10 - 15 points on the P3 IQ meter means between little and nothing in my mind. I have some 18490's that register a 93 and some that register a 79 and age of battery is not affecting it in any way. I notice zero difference in performance or charge endurance. I think once the battery has served its useful life and we see IQs dipping to 50 and below then we know there is an issue. But I wont concern myself between a 93 and a 79.

Thanks Bronze. If the battery lasted as long as the older batteries, I really wouldn't be too concerned. But for whatever reason, they don't. And I find that part odd. Yes I do......

 

[Pinggolfer]

Thanks Bronze. If the battery lasted as long as the older batteries, I really wouldn't be too concerned. But for whatever reason, they don't. And I find that part odd. Yes I do......

I thought I swore off checking the IQ, but you wouldn't leave it alone. My 18490 1200 mah reads 87 for the IQ. I'm feeling sorry for Charlie. Yes I am.

 

[stanleybb50]

Sir Rod, the P3 IQ feature does not measure charge quality or capacity. It measures connection quality. For whatever reason (due to manufacturing), your newer batteries don't have as good a connection as your old batteries. But it doesn't have anything to do with their capacity or charging performance. Truthfully, a difference of 10 - 15 points on the P3 IQ meter means between little and nothing in my mind. I have some 18490's that register a 93 and some that register a 79 and age of battery is not affecting it in any way. I notice zero difference in performance or charge endurance. I think once the battery has served its useful life and we see IQs dipping to 50 and below then we know there is an issue. But I wont concern myself between a 93 and a 79.

I've been using batteries for close to 2 years now and have been fortunate to never really witness degrading performance or poor IQ's. Not saying my batteries are super/better batteries, as I think I've given some away and transitioned from 18350 to 18490's more lately. Plus I have probably 10 18350's and currently 8 18490's in rotation.

My point in this post is to actually wonder/ask what to look for when one starts going bad? Just reduced performance? Has anyone witnessed a known "old" or aging battery in the P3 that truly won't show above 50? If so - cool and good to know!

I'm assuming these batteries should be as good as cell phone batteries that we use for years. Heck I'll bet some of you have iphones with foxed batteries that are mostly still kicking along for years while being used daily and not in rotation with others - right?

On another note - I've had my VP4 since Saturday (thanks to Amazon) and it is excellent!

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[rbrylawski]

I thought I swore off checking the IQ, but you wouldn't leave it alone. My 18490 1200 mah reads 87 for the IQ. I'm feeling sorry for Charlie. Yes I am.

You have good reason to feel sorry for Charlie. Oh Yes Indeed You DO!!

 

[rbrylawski]

I've been using batteries for close to 2 years now and have been fortunate to never really witness degrading performance or poor IQ's. Not saying my batteries are super/better batteries, as I think I've given some away and transitioned from 18350 to 18490's more lately. Plus I have probably 10 18350's and currently 8 18490's in rotation.

My point in this post is to actually wonder/ask what to look for when one starts going bad? Just reduced performance? Has anyone witnessed a known "old" or aging battery in the P3 that truly won't show above 50? If so - cool and good to know!

I'm assuming these batteries should be as good as cell phone batteries that we use for years. Heck I'll bet some of you have iphones with foxed batteries that are mostly still kicking along for years while being used daily and not in rotation with others - right?


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Stanley,

I know my interest in IQ is mostly academic. As long as IQ is in the good to great range, there is no discernible difference in vape quality on a P3. The likely thing we would notice in a battery about to send out it's last charge is it won't last very long. And for anyone who is sub-ohming on a P3 in the .5 ohm range, a higher IQ would be more important than most of us who are happily vaping at 10 watts on coils above 1 ohm.

I have some AW 18490 1100's that will be year old next month. They seem to holding up great. They last just as long as they did when they were new. I do rotate batteries though and most of my batteries only see service every 4th or 5th day.

 

[NeoGoldenBoy]

Didn't IQ also monitor the batteries internal resistance? The difference there might be the culprit, if that's the case.

 

[Pinggolfer]

Charger question:

Do you keep your charger plugged in the wall when not using it?

 

[jwbnyc]

I unplug mine.

 

[rbrylawski]

Didn't IQ also monitor the batteries internal resistance of the batteries? The difference there might be the culprit, if that's the case.

Yes, I believe you are correct.

 

[rbrylawski]

Charger question:

Do you keep your charger plugged in the wall when not using it?

I do not. When I'm done charging, I unplug it.

 

[Pinggolfer]

I unplug mine.

I do as well, but with the new VP2 on it's way I wasn't sure.

 

[stanleybb50]

Stanley,

I know my interest in IQ is mostly academic. As long as IQ is in the good to great range, there is no discernible difference in vape quality on a P3. The likely thing we would notice in a battery about to send out it's last charge is it won't last very long. And for anyone who is sub-ohming on a P3 in the .5 ohm range, a higher IQ would be more important than most of us who are happily vaping at 10 watts on coils above 1 ohm.

I have some AW 18490 1100's that will be year old next month. They seem to holding up great. They last just as long as they did when they were new. I do rotate batteries though and most of my batteries only see service every 4th or 5th day.

Thanks!

Charger question:

Do you keep your charger plugged in the wall when not using it?

Mine stays plugged in batteries or not. Says in the VP4 manual that it goes into standby mode when no batteries are in the charger.


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[ThePaladin]

Are you over your excitement or are you going to charge another battery today?

A recent article published in the Journal of Non- Peer Reviewed Science by a group of Chinese researchers suggests that the delivery and use of new-technology chargers may be to blame for severely increased serotonin and endorphin levels in long-time rechargeable battery users.

"The (serotonin and endorphin) levels we're seeing are actually well above those of a person engaged in 'strenuous amorous activity', and well beyond those of a concentrated physical workout", says study author Li Po.

"This goes even beyond the levels we saw at initial delivery of the charger units, as well" according to co-author Lo Bat.

Looks like you new charger folks are in for some long days...

 

[Bronze]

Thanks Bronze. If the battery lasted as long as the older batteries, I really wouldn't be too concerned. But for whatever reason, they don't. And I find that part odd. Yes I do......

That would be an issue then. Wonder if you got some old or defective stock or something.

 

[rbrylawski]

A recent article published in the Journal of Non- Peer Reviewed Science by a group of Chinese researchers suggests that the delivery and use of new-technology chargers may be to blame for severely increased serotonin and endorphin levels in long-time rechargeable battery users.

"The (serotonin and endorphin) levels we're seeing are actually well above those of a person engaged in 'strenuous amorous activity', and well beyond those of a concentrated physical workout", says study author Li Po.

"This goes even beyond the levels we saw at initial delivery of the charger units, as well" according to co-author Lo Bat.

Looks like you new charger folks are in for some long days...

That's Fabulous!!

That would be an issue then. Wonder if you got some old or defective stock or something.

I'm not sure how that could ber 4 of five 1200mah batteries came from RTD when the 1200's first came out. The most recent one is from Provape directly and is one week old. They ALL act exactly the same.