Official ProVari 3 Thread - P3 *PART 2*

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It's strange, but I put a freshly charged battery in my P3 and it never reads full, it will only read about 85 percent on the first fire then it drops down into the 60's then it drops even more, but it does seem to have longevity before it runs out...no error messages or anything like that....

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I'm stuck a Ver 38 right now, but that would drive me bonkers if a fresh battery was showing so far off. I'd be checking them batteries with a DMM, taking notes and opening a ticket.
 

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It's strange, but I put a freshly charged battery in my P3 and it never reads full, it will only read about 85 percent on the first fire then it drops down into the 60's then it drops even more, but it does seem to have longevity before it runs out...no error messages or anything like that....

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My fresh batteries often read in the high 80s. It doesn't bother me. If you recall the battery level meter doesn't represent the amount of charge in the battery.

Per the manual:

The battery mileage gauge tells you how much energy is available to the atomizer. This new approach is a little different than a typical battery percentage meter. Most percentage meters, like on your cell phone, “count down” so the battery level is always going down until you reach 0%. The ProVari 3 works more like an average mileage calculator on a car. As you speed up (or raise your power level) the miles per gallon will go down because you are using more fuel. As you slow down (lower your power level) the miles per gallon go up. This is a much more accurate way of telling the user how much energy is left in the battery for the atomizer to use. This number changes based on the power level you have the P3 set to along with your style of vaping. You will notice that this percentage will adjust as you change settings and it’s perfectly normal for it to go back up as the battery recovers between uses. When you first insert your battery you will see two question marks: ??. This simply indicates the P3 is evaluating the battery and after 1-2 puffs, it will update the status of the battery. When the battery runs out, the device will alert you with an “Empty” alert on the screen. At this time, recharge the battery.

Personally, I just keep fresh batteries handy, like I do no matter what I'm vaping. I don't have a very good sense of time, so I can't tell how long a charge lasts anyway, unless I write down the time I put a fresh battery in. :)
 

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My P3's are acting up lately as well. Nearly new 18650 and 18490 batteries are reading 87-91% when installed, not 100%.

I've never had a fresh battery in my P3 read 100%. Occasionally it's been 99%, but most of the time it's 85-97%.
 

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I hadn't thought about that. I put the tank with the 2.5Ω coil back on. It's the one I was getting the error code at 11 watts. The boost was set at 1. I took it down to 5 watts and still got the error :blink: but when I turned the boost off I didn't get the error until I got to 13 watts. Error at 5 watts? I'm going to have to read the manual to find out how high the boost is.

ETA: Hmmm...the P3 manual states how long each boost setting lasts, but not the amount (or percentage of the wattage it's set at). However, it does say this:

Note that turning the ProVari up to max wattage and boosting up to 5 will not exceed the maximum output of the unit which is up to 20 watts.

I still don't get it. A 2.5Ω coil at 5 watts is ≈ 3.5 volts/1.96 amps. The boost must be pretty darn strong to push any of those figures passed the P3 limits. Unless...since the P3 has fired fine at 2.5Ω/11 watts with boost at 1 for months (I didn't notice the error symbol until yesterday), could the error just be indicating there was a potential problem? I don't know; I'm just trying to make sense of this.
Doesn't matter where you have the watts or voltage. I had this problem before and Enaud found the answer. If your coil is above 2.1 ohms, it doesn't like the BOOST function being on. Boost MIGHT still work (don't know for sure) but you are going to get that error message letting you know it doesn't like it.
 

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I've never had a fresh battery in my P3 read 100%. Occasionally it's been 99%, but most of the time it's 85-97%.
How old are those batteries and how high is your power setting? I really want to try and understand this.
 

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I've had all the versions, except the beta, and never had a low initial battery reading.
I always see 99% as the first reading, I vape at 7.5-8ish watts with 1.6-1.8Ω coils.
 

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I hadn't thought about that. I put the tank with the 2.5Ω coil back on. It's the one I was getting the error code at 11 watts. The boost was set at 1. I took it down to 5 watts and still got the error :blink: but when I turned the boost off I didn't get the error until I got to 13 watts. Error at 5 watts? I'm going to have to read the manual to find out how high the boost is.

ETA: Hmmm...the P3 manual states how long each boost setting lasts, but not the amount (or percentage of the wattage it's set at). However, it does say this:

Note that turning the ProVari up to max wattage and boosting up to 5 will not exceed the maximum output of the unit which is up to 20 watts.

I still don't get it. A 2.5Ω coil at 5 watts is ≈ 3.5 volts/1.96 amps. The boost must be pretty darn strong to push any of those figures passed the P3 limits. Unless...since the P3 has fired fine at 2.5Ω/11 watts with boost at 1 for months (I didn't notice the error symbol until yesterday), could the error just be indicating there was a potential problem? I don't know; I'm just trying to make sense of this.
I FOUND IT! I copied/pasted what Enaud sent me, I just had to find it. Here it is in it's entirety, enjoy:

Warning messages received when attempting to use Hot Shot Boost Mode are typically due to the atomizer being above 2.1 ohms. Boost mode increases initial device output power for a duration based on the Boost setting. If atomizer ohms are too high, the device voltage limit (6), also limits the boost power, and provides a warning message. Boost still works, just at a reduce power level. To get full benefit from Hot Shot Boost Mode, use an atomizer having 2.1 ohms or less. The ideal coil resistance for the P3 is in the 1.6 - 1.8ohm range.

ProVari P3 warning messages differ from error messages. Error messages can sometimes signal an issue with the device, while warning messages notify the user that the device is limiting requested output performance, typically because atomizer ohms is not compatible with the output setting. Warning messages do not mean that there is a problem with the P3 device, it's just letting you know there is a boundary condition, but in all warning situations it will continue to run and it's up to the user to choose if they want to make changes.

There is no difference in P3 software versions 35 and 36 with regards to the device providing warning messages when using boost mode. This is strictly a function of atomizer ohms being in the correct range
 

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I FOUND IT! I copied/pasted what Enaud sent me, I just had to find it. Here it is in it's entirety, enjoy:

Warning messages received when attempting to use Hot Shot Boost Mode are typically due to the atomizer being above 2.1 ohms. Boost mode increases initial device output power for a duration based on the Boost setting. If atomizer ohms are too high, the device voltage limit (6), also limits the boost power, and provides a warning message. Boost still works, just at a reduce power level. To get full benefit from Hot Shot Boost Mode, use an atomizer having 2.1 ohms or less. The ideal coil resistance for the P3 is in the 1.6 - 1.8ohm range.

ProVari P3 warning messages differ from error messages. Error messages can sometimes signal an issue with the device, while warning messages notify the user that the device is limiting requested output performance, typically because atomizer ohms is not compatible with the output setting. Warning messages do not mean that there is a problem with the P3 device, it's just letting you know there is a boundary condition, but in all warning situations it will continue to run and it's up to the user to choose if they want to make changes.

There is no difference in P3 software versions 35 and 36 with regards to the device providing warning messages when using boost mode. This is strictly a function of atomizer ohms being in the correct range

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Back to battery level -

I've been vaping an 18490 in my P3 for I don't know how long (of course) and the battery meter reads 65%. Sixty-five % of 4.2 volts is 2.73 volts, right? So I took the battery out and put it in my 2.0 Stealth. It read 3.9 volts. I put it in a charger and it read 3.92 volts. Since the P3 meter doesn't work until you've taken a vape off of whatever atty is on it, it seems to me that available power scenario is accurate, although I don't like it.

I also put the 2.0 end cap on the P3 and it read 62%.

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I'm having a first world problem here. My batteries are upstairs and I'm downstairs with my P3. What's a girl to do? :eek:

And for any of you that want to say go upstairs and get the batteries, be quiet! :lol:
Maybe I can wish them to float down stairs to me. :thumb:

Do you still have your dog? I've seen dogs trained to get beer, why not batteries (in a case, of course)? My dog is very well trained. He goes and gets cat food.
 

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I'm having a first world problem here. My batteries are upstairs and I'm downstairs with my P3. What's a girl to do? :eek:

And for any of you that want to say go upstairs and get the batteries, be quiet! :lol:
Maybe I can wish them to float down stairs to me. :thumb:

Drink a bottle of wine and sumpin might float somewhere! :evil:

Sounds like someone needs a dual supply of batts. Upstairs batts and downstairs batts! ;)
 

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Back to battery level -

I've been vaping an 18490 in my P3 for I don't know how long (of course) and the battery meter reads 65%. Sixty-five % of 4.2 volts is 2.73 volts, right? So I took the battery out and put it in my 2.0 Stealth. It read 3.9 volts. I put it in a charger and it read 3.92 volts. Since the P3 meter doesn't work until you've taken a vape off of whatever atty is on it, it seems to me that available power scenario is accurate, although I don't like it.

I also put the 2.0 end cap on the P3 and it read 62%.

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Then entire time I had my P3, there was never a single incidence of putting a fresh battery in and not having a 99% reading. It won't ever show 100 as 99 is the highest it can go.
 

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I'm having a first world problem here. My batteries are upstairs and I'm downstairs with my P3. What's a girl to do? :eek:

And for any of you that want to say go upstairs and get the batteries, be quiet! :lol:
Maybe I can wish them to float down stairs to me. :thumb:

If you were using your Radius, you could just plug it in and use the pass-through vape function..

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How old are those batteries and how high is your power setting? I really want to try and understand this.

I don't remember how old the batteries are, but I have 7 in rotations. I haven't paid enough attention to know if some start out lower than others.

Another experiment: I was vaping at 11 watts and the battery meter read 65%. I lowered the power down to 7 watts and the first vape read 65%, however after a couple of vapes the meter read 72%. I then lowered it to 5.6 watts and after a few vapes it read 74%.

ETA: On the P3 I generally vape about 11 to 13 watts with a 1.4 to 1.8Ω coil.
 
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