Official ProVari 3 Thread - P3

[rbrylawski]

try again tomorrow ... you will dial it in.

I'm glad you're confident. Me? Not so much, but I will give it another go tomorrow night. In the meantime, the Silo is simple and working well........

 

[rbrylawski]

SR, Confucius say confusion is bad. Don't mess with diagonal coils now. It is not important. Just focus on the straight coils like you've been doing. No point in introducing more alternatives.

Does my question about the wick not touching the chimney channels make any sense?

 

[Bronze]

I'm glad you're confident. Me? Not so much, but I will give it another go tomorrow night. In the meantime, the Silo is simple and working well........

You've been around long enough to know that the best thing to do when flustered is to walk away. Good strategy. And Willy is right. You'll get it. You already proved it to yourself.

 

[Bronze]

Does my question about the wick not touching the chimney channels make any sense?

Not 100% sure I understand the question. All I know is the end of your wick has to reach the deck...meaning it will be laying on the juice channels.

 

[Bronze]

Rod, I forgot, what kind of wick material are you using?

 

[rbrylawski]

Not 100% sure I understand the question. All I know is the end of your wick has to reach the deck...meaning it will be laying on the juice channels.

My question is if the coil is on the diagonal, the wick won't lay on the juice channel inside the chimney. So wouldn't that cause more flooding/gurgling as wouldn't juice just flow into the chimney. Does that make sense?

Rod, I forgot, what kind of wick material are you using?

I'm using Cotton Bacon.

 

[Bronze]

Sir Rod, I think putting your Kayfun down for the night is an excellent idea. Pick her up tomorrow and give it another try. Take the rest of the night off. I will post some close ups for you in the morning so you get a better idea of how it should look. OK? Don't sweat it, Bud. You'll get it dialed in.

Just let me know what wick material you are using. I gotta hit the rack. Goodnight!

 

[Bronze]

My question is if the coil is on the diagonal, the wick won't lay on the juice channel inside the chimney. So wouldn't that cause more flooding/gurgling as wouldn't juice just flow into the chimney. Does that make sense?



I'm using Cotton Bacon.

OK, I understand now. It would likely give you dry hits because the wick would not sop up the juice cuz it is not laying on the deck. I think what Johgn was saying was you bend your wick and lay it across the juice channel. Some people do that. I would not introduce that now though Rod. Straight coil work perfectly well so let's concentrate on one method at a time. Agree?

I'll look into the cotton bacon. I never used it before.

No more Kayfuns tonight Rod. Enjoy you Silo vape and worry about the Kayfun tomorrow. OK?

 

[ThePaladin]

No more Kayfuns tonight Rod. Enjoy you Silo vape and worry about the Kayfun tomorrow. OK?

That's some sound advice right there, SR...

 

[MKID]

MKID commented I need to keep the coil about 1.5mm above the airflow. Can anyone tell me if my coil is too high or too low from this picture?

Sorry for the late response, I concur with Bronze. I just wanted to mention it, for you to keep it in mind when you make your builds. That one looks great by the way.

Thanks for for the backup Bronze!

 

[JohnD0406]

JohnDo. I'm confused about your suggestion to put the coil on the diagonal? I thought the wick had to lay on the juice channel inside the chimney, which would be fed by the juice channel outside the chimney? If the wick isn't laying on the inside channel, won't it gurgle even more as wouldn't even more juice enter the chamber?

Evidently this is from the user manual, but like most men, I never read it...

The idea is to get more wick on the deck for faster juice absorption. But, like Bronze said, if you're confused, just keep experimenting - we all did and we all learned what works best for us. There is no right or wrong way - only the way we like best.

 

[WillyZee]

So tonights adventure with wire. I built three coils. One with 9 wraps. Too high. One with 7 wraps. Too low. One with 8 wraps. Perfect. It came out a tad over 1.5 ohms. I wicked her, primed her, put the KFL+ all back together, filler her up and let her sit for 5 minutes before taking a vape. So far, much much better than last night's adventure with wire. Since I'm a picture guy, here's tonight build:

This coil looks great ... the ends of the cotton should be just touching the deck.

 

[MKID]

rbrylawski, hope this helps:

Coil wrapping | Steam Engine | free vaping calculators

Very accurate calculator in my opinion, but one has to understand that the leg length (the extra wire that is not coiled and attached to the screws) might through off your target ohms ever so slightly but nothing to worry about.

So, the first congrats was on your KAYFUN. Now, the second congrats is on your P3!!! A Titanium P3, if I remember correctly? Sweet!

As I said in my previous post, it seems like the average sweet spot for most of us P3/Kayfun users is 1.3-1.8 ohms, running between 9.0-12.0 watts.
So play around inside those numbers and see what you get!
I'm running 28 gauge wire, wrapped 5 times around a 7/64" (2.8mm) drill bit, for a whopping 1.3-1.5 ohms coil, and I run it at 10 watts on my P3.
This is the same build I use on my KFL, and my KF4. I'll change the cotton out after a week or two. Dry burn the coil, give it a look-see and determine if I feel like it can still be used, re-wick it and vape on!

For my KFL's I turn the airflow screw OUT, until it is flush with the bottom of the base. That's "wide open". This is because, honestly, I don't see any big difference with it open or almost closed. Most people seem to just take it out altogether...which I can't do, because I'm OCD and have to keep original parts with original parts. Hahaha!!!

As far as coil size vs airflow? You've got it right, at least as far as Kayfuns are concerned!

 

[MKID]

Does anyone know if kathleen sebelius helped out with the redesigning of the forum?

I have been wondering how to darken/change the screen color?

Thanks in advance.

 

[jwbnyc]

Evidently this is from the user manual, but like most men, I never read it...

The idea is to get more wick on the deck for faster juice absorption. But, like Bronze said, if you're confused, just keep experimenting - we all did and we all learned what works best for us. There is no right or wrong way - only the way we like best.

That's what you are shooting for.

 

[MKID]

Hey I think that looks great!


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Similar to Ocelot's

 

[AstroTurf]

Does anyone know if kathleen sebelius helped out with the redesigning of the forum?

I have been wondering how to darken/change the screen color?

Thanks in advance.

Well whoever did... They should be Shot Hanged Dragged thru the Street Drowned and Set On Fire.

This SUCKS SO BAD... Tappatalk is BETTER!!!

 

[AstroTurf]

Evidently this is from the user manual, but like most men, I never read it...

The idea is to get more wick on the deck for faster juice absorption. But, like Bronze said, if you're confused, just keep experimenting - we all did and we all learned what works best for us. There is no right or wrong way - only the way we like best.

Intended for spaced coils using silica wick... Ya might as well have listed a double loop silica... FacePalm.

 

[rbrylawski]

Thanks for all the advice everyone. I was really frustrated last night and now I'm at work vaping on my Silo, which BTW, for a pre-built coil system is pretty fantastic. I looked at the pictures of my first coil, which worked perfectly (I should have just cleaned her and re-wicked her and not gone through all this), but noooooooo.......Sir Rod feels he has to keep building coils.........But one thing was clear in comparing the pictures of the first coil I built for the KFL+ and the subsequent coils, all of which were a bust, is that I did attach it with the legs top down, not bottom up. And the coil distance from the air opening was much less in the first coil.

So, when I get home tonight, I'll try yet again. This time legs top down and adjust the coil to be a bit closer to the air opening. Since my pea-sized brain can't wrap around the on the diagonal concept (even with the picture JohnDO posted), I'm going to stick with vertical for the moment.

I just want it to work. Is that too much to ask (Sir Rod said tongue in cheek)?

 

[karlmetz]

Thanks for all the advice everyone. I was really frustrated last night and now I'm at work vaping on my Silo, which BTW, for a pre-built coil system is pretty fantastic. I looked at the pictures of my first coil, which worked perfectly (I should have just cleaned her and re-wicked her and not gone through all this), but noooooooo.......Sir Rod feels he has to keep building coils.........But one thing was clear in comparing the pictures of the first coil I built for the KFL+ and the subsequent coils, all of which were a bust, is that I did attach it with the legs top down, not bottom up. And the coil distance from the air opening was much less in the first coil.

So, when I get home tonight, I'll try yet again. This time legs top down and adjust the coil to be a bit closer to the air opening. Since my pea-sized brain can't wrap around the on the diagonal concept (even with the picture JohnDO posted), I'm going to stick with vertical for the moment.

I just want it to work. Is that too much to ask (Sir Rod said tongue in cheek)?

That's an interesting point...I wonder what the difference is between the legs attaching to the posts from the bottom of the coil or from the top...I've done it both ways and don't know that it makes a lot of difference...some attys physical structure make it easier to do one or the other...I'm thinking that micro (touching coils) vs open coils, form diameter (2mm,2.5mm) and wick volume have more to do with the result. I just keep experimenting, hoping to find the "Holy Grail" for my preferred juice (Pearalizing Peach).