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ProVape has one antsy customer here.....
ProVape has one antsy customer here.....
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Its not about trusting me, he said it was about Provape trusting him. My understanding was that he was not supposed to sell the beta items, at least not at the time I asked him, that's for sure. Or he didn't want to upset them. I think he was recently approved as a provape retailer and didn't want to screw it up.
Speculation time... ProVape is going to be making some changes to the P3 based on feedback from their beta program. What could those changes be? I know the biggest complaint was it only being 20W, when everyone was expecting 30W, but doubt ProVape will budge from the 20W limit.
They're going to be released soon, so you have to figure they've been busy making tubes for quite a while now, so it's unlikely (in my opinion) there'll be any changes to the tubes themselves (including the P3 logo). BTW, those of you "twigs and berries" folks must have some real odd, messed up junk. Sorry, but mine don't look like that!
It's also highly unlikely there will be any physical changes to the logic board, as like the tubes, they're probably already made and ready for firmware flashing (unless of course something serious was found, but with ProVape's extensive testing process, it's unlikely).
So, that leaves top cap pieces, end cap, spring, height/strength of the center pin, and firmware. I didn't find anything physically wrong with the P3, but there's plenty of speculation to be had in the firmware (different boost settings, display time, screen information organization, etc., etc., etc...).
I'll be curious to find out what those changes are, and think it would be interesting to look back at everyone's speculations to see who called it.
At the time of this post, I can't think of anything, however I have been in touch with ProVape and they are making a few changes. What do YOU think they could be?
They're going to be released soon, so you have to figure they've been busy making tubes for quite a while now, so it's unlikely (in my opinion) there'll be any changes to the tubes themselves (including the P3 logo). BTW, those of you "twigs and berries" folks must have some real odd, messed up junk. Sorry, but mine don't look like that!
It's also highly unlikely there will be any physical changes to the logic board, as like the tubes, they're probably already made and ready for firmware flashing (unless of course something serious was found, but with ProVape's extensive testing process, it's unlikely).
So, that leaves top cap pieces, end cap, spring, height/strength of the center pin, and firmware. I didn't find anything physically wrong with the P3, but there's plenty of speculation to be had in the firmware (different boost settings, display time, screen information organization, etc., etc., etc...).
I'll be curious to find out what those changes are, and think it would be interesting to look back at everyone's speculations to see who called it.
At the time of this post, I can't think of anything, however I have been in touch with ProVape and they are making a few changes. What do YOU think they could be?
More speculation time. What do you think the price point will be for the P3?
One of my local authorized dealers said they had to pay for their beta unit, but didn't tell me how much. Another shop I called said they didn't get one because they didn't want to pay for one. It seems they didn't get them for free after all.
The UK site earlier in this thread was selling them for £149.99, which is $248.71. I called a few vape shops around the US and they were surprisingly willing to sell their betas. Prices quoted ranged from $239.99 to $249.99 - a fairly narrow range. That tells me they paid wholesale price, and their sale price is marked up accordingly.
What do YOU think?
EDIT: I just visited that UK site again, and see they now have 9 left. It puzzles me how they're getting so many. If it's a beta, I wouldn't expect ProVape to let each shop have more than 1, but maybe they could order as many as they wanted. Still, 18+ betas should have raised a red flag with ProVape.
One of my local authorized dealers said they had to pay for their beta unit, but didn't tell me how much. Another shop I called said they didn't get one because they didn't want to pay for one. It seems they didn't get them for free after all.
The UK site earlier in this thread was selling them for £149.99, which is $248.71. I called a few vape shops around the US and they were surprisingly willing to sell their betas. Prices quoted ranged from $239.99 to $249.99 - a fairly narrow range. That tells me they paid wholesale price, and their sale price is marked up accordingly.
What do YOU think?
EDIT: I just visited that UK site again, and see they now have 9 left. It puzzles me how they're getting so many. If it's a beta, I wouldn't expect ProVape to let each shop have more than 1, but maybe they could order as many as they wanted. Still, 18+ betas should have raised a red flag with ProVape.
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As of yesterday, I own a P3 Beta. This'll be a bit stream of consciousness as I'm trying to hit as many points as I can.
They showed up on a local B&M's website @ $250. (AFAIK they have one left, btw.) Price point sounded appropriate, and since my Mini was slated to receive about $100 in upgrades (Tatroe rings and a set of 18650 batteries), I went to check it out. I've been holding out on buying a backup due to the pending P3. So, for the same amount of money...
Got a quick tour of the menus and asked them about warranty. They assured me that there is no problem; they'll handle it if needed for the first year. Standard answer I've received regarding any B&M purchased Provari. At which point, I pulled the trigger.
On to the important stuff.
Build quality: It's a Provari. I'm a fan of the top cap. Very nice pieces of steel. No problems whatsoever with them unscrewing with the atty. I did drop one while playing with it, and spent a few minutes scrounging on the floor to find it in a bar-like environment, so spares will likely be in order. (hopefully I won't lose either until they're generally available) The floating pin rocks. Does xxx sit flush? yes. Can feel but don't really see the stair-step with a 22mm atty.
Design: Fine. Don't love the logo. It's not so bad as long as I make sure not to rotate it to the right... Do like the diamonds. The bezel isn't quite flush with the tube on one side. I'm used to a Mini + Kayfun or a mech + dripper, so it feels absolutely huge in 18650 mode. Not shockingly, the extension rings and bottom cap fit perfectly on the Mini.
Vape quality: It's a Provari. I've only used it with a KFL so far. In boost mode, I'm feeling it vapes tangibly better than a 2.5; still haven't found the optimal setting, but I'm liking the feature. I intend to rebuild a dripper for it today, so no input there, yet. I'm thinking a Magma @ .8 or so. Will try to remember to update.
Menus: Good. Took me a few minutes to adjust to them. Probably not best to try to learn to use it in the car on the ride home. It's a bit slower to set things up, so I think I'll be using the presets fairly often. Screen is a bit smaller than a 2.5, but is well laid out. It does feel a bit cramped, but it's perfectly adequate functionally; I'm not watching movies on it. Once things are set up, I don't have much use for any info other than battery life and that's on screen after a button push. I'm also rather impressed with its 2 decimal digit resistance reader. .0x ohm resolution isn't relevant to me, but it indicates quality parts. (It's ProVape, we knew that already.)
Batteries: Loving the ability to use my full arsenal of batteries (mostly flat top 18650s) on it. VTC5's are fantastic. Didn't lose 1% after chain vaping for 10 mins. With 18350's, battery life feels (didn't time it) to be a bit less than on a 2.5, but the new toy has me vaping heavier than usual. One glitch I've found is that batteries will occasionally drop from 25ish % down to 'Empty,' where it stops firing. This can be resolved by unscrewing and rescrewing the bottom cap... it'll bring the life back up considerably. It just happened. It went from 26, to empty, then back up to 43 after undoing the bottom. On an external tester, the battery metered at 3.7V; lowish but not quite dead.
In summary, it's a nice progression. I'm pleased with it.
They showed up on a local B&M's website @ $250. (AFAIK they have one left, btw.) Price point sounded appropriate, and since my Mini was slated to receive about $100 in upgrades (Tatroe rings and a set of 18650 batteries), I went to check it out. I've been holding out on buying a backup due to the pending P3. So, for the same amount of money...
Got a quick tour of the menus and asked them about warranty. They assured me that there is no problem; they'll handle it if needed for the first year. Standard answer I've received regarding any B&M purchased Provari. At which point, I pulled the trigger.
On to the important stuff.
Build quality: It's a Provari. I'm a fan of the top cap. Very nice pieces of steel. No problems whatsoever with them unscrewing with the atty. I did drop one while playing with it, and spent a few minutes scrounging on the floor to find it in a bar-like environment, so spares will likely be in order. (hopefully I won't lose either until they're generally available) The floating pin rocks. Does xxx sit flush? yes. Can feel but don't really see the stair-step with a 22mm atty.
Design: Fine. Don't love the logo. It's not so bad as long as I make sure not to rotate it to the right... Do like the diamonds. The bezel isn't quite flush with the tube on one side. I'm used to a Mini + Kayfun or a mech + dripper, so it feels absolutely huge in 18650 mode. Not shockingly, the extension rings and bottom cap fit perfectly on the Mini.
Vape quality: It's a Provari. I've only used it with a KFL so far. In boost mode, I'm feeling it vapes tangibly better than a 2.5; still haven't found the optimal setting, but I'm liking the feature. I intend to rebuild a dripper for it today, so no input there, yet. I'm thinking a Magma @ .8 or so. Will try to remember to update.
Menus: Good. Took me a few minutes to adjust to them. Probably not best to try to learn to use it in the car on the ride home. It's a bit slower to set things up, so I think I'll be using the presets fairly often. Screen is a bit smaller than a 2.5, but is well laid out. It does feel a bit cramped, but it's perfectly adequate functionally; I'm not watching movies on it. Once things are set up, I don't have much use for any info other than battery life and that's on screen after a button push. I'm also rather impressed with its 2 decimal digit resistance reader. .0x ohm resolution isn't relevant to me, but it indicates quality parts. (It's ProVape, we knew that already.)
Batteries: Loving the ability to use my full arsenal of batteries (mostly flat top 18650s) on it. VTC5's are fantastic. Didn't lose 1% after chain vaping for 10 mins. With 18350's, battery life feels (didn't time it) to be a bit less than on a 2.5, but the new toy has me vaping heavier than usual. One glitch I've found is that batteries will occasionally drop from 25ish % down to 'Empty,' where it stops firing. This can be resolved by unscrewing and rescrewing the bottom cap... it'll bring the life back up considerably. It just happened. It went from 26, to empty, then back up to 43 after undoing the bottom. On an external tester, the battery metered at 3.7V; lowish but not quite dead.
In summary, it's a nice progression. I'm pleased with it.
very strange that P3 betas get sold in more and more shops. i thought they shouldn`t be sold? in my opinion Provape should stop business with those cheapshots.
very strange that P3 betas get sold in more and more shops. i thought they shouldn`t be sold? in my opinion Provape should stop business with those cheapshots.
I think it's an indication of the impending release date getting very close.
I also wonder what (if any) contract the shops have with ProVape. Maybe they were allowed to sell them after a certain time? Probably not, but if employees are allowed to keep them, then they will be able to sell them at some point (my guess would be after the release date). I wonder if the betas will become a collectors item and worth a lot more than the release version later on, or if the opposite is true. Time will tell...
In my conversation about the warranty, I was told that, yes, Provape was fine with them being sold. Obviously I'd prefer hearing it direct from an official channel, but I was comfortable enough with the answer he gave and how he gave it.
Agreed.
I hope so! I only have one 2.5 after selling my other 2.5 in anticipation of getting a P3. I like to have a backup, so come on Provape, I hope you'll be releasing these puppies soon!
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Interesting. My 2.5 does the exact same thing. I'll have about 3.5 or 3.6 volts left under load, and the light will start blinking. Once it blinks, I check the voltage and it reads 3.2 to 3.3v. Unscrew the bottom cap and screw it back on and the voltage glitch is corrected and I keep vaping. Very interesting that the P3 also has this happening.
I have noticed that it *appears* to happen if I remove my atty and put it back on. It seems to confuse the device sometimes. Once corrected by unscrewing the cap, I don't recall the glitch recurring as long as I don't take off the atty.
I haven't bothered to contact Provape about it since it seems that little glitches like this are actually kind of common with the 2.5 and aren't a big deal really.
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Well, I tried to give the beta P3 back to Rose at Vape Town and she wouldn't take it! She told me to do a long term evaluation and keep her updated on what I find. I asked her what her idea of long term was and she said at least until I get my production model. I even offered to purchase it and she said no way, the agreement with Provape was not to sell. Wow... what a sweetheart! Thanks Rose...You Rock!
So I still have the P3 and will be happy to give my opinions on any questions you guys have. Just let me know.
To say this is a good day for me would be a huge understatement, I've really grown to like the P3 a lot and think anyone who gets their hands on one of these will have as hard a time giving it up as I did. I think it's called separation anxiety. At least now I won't have to spend the next several months in intense therapy
So I still have the P3 and will be happy to give my opinions on any questions you guys have. Just let me know.
To say this is a good day for me would be a huge understatement, I've really grown to like the P3 a lot and think anyone who gets their hands on one of these will have as hard a time giving it up as I did. I think it's called separation anxiety. At least now I won't have to spend the next several months in intense therapy
According to someone who talked to a dealer, the betas can be sold to "family and friends." That covers a broad definition. As for why they can sell them, these are beta units...not demo units.
Hopefully a higher amp limit, and possibly some tweaks to the menu order. I for one am hoping they change the pink led color to purple.Speculation time... ProVape is going to be making some changes to the P3 based on feedback from their beta program. What could those changes be? I know the biggest complaint was it only being 20W, when everyone was expecting 30W, but doubt ProVape will budge from the 20W limit.
They're going to be released soon, so you have to figure they've been busy making tubes for quite a while now, so it's unlikely (in my opinion) there'll be any changes to the tubes themselves (including the P3 logo). BTW, those of you "twigs and berries" folks must have some real odd, messed up junk. Sorry, but mine don't look like that!
It's also highly unlikely there will be any physical changes to the logic board, as like the tubes, they're probably already made and ready for firmware flashing (unless of course something serious was found, but with ProVape's extensive testing process, it's unlikely).
So, that leaves top cap pieces, end cap, spring, height/strength of the center pin, and firmware. I didn't find anything physically wrong with the P3, but there's plenty of speculation to be had in the firmware (different boost settings, display time, screen information organization, etc., etc., etc...).
I'll be curious to find out what those changes are, and think it would be interesting to look back at everyone's speculations to see who called it.
At the time of this post, I can't think of anything, however I have been in touch with ProVape and they are making a few changes. What do YOU think they could be?
Are we really all that sure the production P3's are going to have changes?
I would have to assume that Provape Brains, and probably Workers, have been using the P3 as it exists right now...for a few months before they even announced it, or sent it to anyone outside the company, for review.
I am not one to name sources, but from what I've heard, the only difference is going to be the removal of the diamonds, for the production sales models.
Provape seems to be very happy with the device as it is, and the most common of public ideas for change, have probably already been through their minds...and their testing procedures...and didn't work to their desires, or most importantly, their safety protocols.
I may be in the minority here, but I think the device is absolutely great as it is...and one of the major reasons I feel that way, is because of my perspective on it.
That perspective is: The P3 is their new starting point for their next generation of devices.
Yes the 2.5's (and previous versions) work great. Yes they still sell like hotcakes. Yes I still have two, and would use them if I had a P3.
But the 2.5 had its obvious limitations for what they're probably planning on doing in the future...so they did like Samsung has done, with a few models of their TV's, and kinda sorta "future-proofed" the P3...
I don't know much about techno-jargon, but from what I've heard and read, this 32 bit ARM chip is supposed to be pretty bad a--! Which means it's probably able to be reprogrammed far beyond the 2.5's chip...which makes upgrades easier!
Plus, they made it button top/flat top battery compatible. The new flat top cap system will be very versatile. And with the P3 thread system, they've lit the fuse on getting the vape world off the 510 connections, at least for advanced mods...cuz eGo's aren't going anywhere, any time soon.
I am more than willing to admit when I am wrong, so I won't back-pedal if they do make changes. I just don't see them releasing all these Betas into the world, just to go ahead and release a different version at production time.
I mean...who do we think we are talking about here? Apple??? Hahahaha!!!!
I would have to assume that Provape Brains, and probably Workers, have been using the P3 as it exists right now...for a few months before they even announced it, or sent it to anyone outside the company, for review.
I am not one to name sources, but from what I've heard, the only difference is going to be the removal of the diamonds, for the production sales models.
Provape seems to be very happy with the device as it is, and the most common of public ideas for change, have probably already been through their minds...and their testing procedures...and didn't work to their desires, or most importantly, their safety protocols.
I may be in the minority here, but I think the device is absolutely great as it is...and one of the major reasons I feel that way, is because of my perspective on it.
That perspective is: The P3 is their new starting point for their next generation of devices.
Yes the 2.5's (and previous versions) work great. Yes they still sell like hotcakes. Yes I still have two, and would use them if I had a P3.
But the 2.5 had its obvious limitations for what they're probably planning on doing in the future...so they did like Samsung has done, with a few models of their TV's, and kinda sorta "future-proofed" the P3...
I don't know much about techno-jargon, but from what I've heard and read, this 32 bit ARM chip is supposed to be pretty bad a--! Which means it's probably able to be reprogrammed far beyond the 2.5's chip...which makes upgrades easier!
Plus, they made it button top/flat top battery compatible. The new flat top cap system will be very versatile. And with the P3 thread system, they've lit the fuse on getting the vape world off the 510 connections, at least for advanced mods...cuz eGo's aren't going anywhere, any time soon.
I am more than willing to admit when I am wrong, so I won't back-pedal if they do make changes. I just don't see them releasing all these Betas into the world, just to go ahead and release a different version at production time.
I mean...who do we think we are talking about here? Apple??? Hahahaha!!!!
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There's a model for dealership/reseller which ProVape probably falls into, where they can release a "beta" version to dealers, with the INTENT that they be for testing or demo - but CAN NOT BY LAW restrict the reseller from marking it up and/or selling it.
I am fairly certain this IS the nature of their business relationship based on the fact that dealer pricing for ProVari's is not "fixed". This pretty much verifies that's the nature of their arrangement.
It explains the fact that dealers are selling them.
And the way the law works, they'd probably also be liable to suit if they tried in any way to enforce their preferences, or "punished" a dealer for not following their advice (on selling betas, or on price point).
I am fairly certain this IS the nature of their business relationship based on the fact that dealer pricing for ProVari's is not "fixed". This pretty much verifies that's the nature of their arrangement.
It explains the fact that dealers are selling them.
And the way the law works, they'd probably also be liable to suit if they tried in any way to enforce their preferences, or "punished" a dealer for not following their advice (on selling betas, or on price point).
HBcorpse ... I'm enjoying your posts.
I'm definitely going to own a P3 ... however, I can wait to get one from the classies. I bought all my Provaris from the classies except 1 mini blem from Provape.
And seriously, ... all of them vape the same awesome vape ... I use Kayfuns on them, so the P3 is going to be pretty much the same vape.
Some people sub ohm drip, carry around 4 bottles of juice because they burn through 30ml a day ... me, I like the simple aspect of the Provari Kayfun ... same great vape with lots of flavour, and doesn't use too much juice.
cheers
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I'm definitely going to own a P3 ... however, I can wait to get one from the classies. I bought all my Provaris from the classies except 1 mini blem from Provape.
And seriously, ... all of them vape the same awesome vape ... I use Kayfuns on them, so the P3 is going to be pretty much the same vape.
Some people sub ohm drip, carry around 4 bottles of juice because they burn through 30ml a day ... me, I like the simple aspect of the Provari Kayfun ... same great vape with lots of flavour, and doesn't use too much juice.
cheers
Sent via iPhone
I admire your patience! I can't wait to get one! If I found a local shop willing to sell a beta, I'd probably be all over that. I have a v2.5, and it's served me well, and will continue to be in rotation, but the 'new', 'cool', 'latest and greatest'... must have! I have a Nautilus, but am thinking of getting a Nautilus mini just for the v2.5. The Kayfuns will migrate to the P3 - maybe a stronger build to run at higher wattage. I run my current builds at about 14W...
At the same wattage (calculated voltage on the v2.5), yes, it's hard to improve on vape quality when it's already been perfected, though that hotshot feature might actually make for an improved vape.
That's a bit extreme, but I suppose there are a vast minority who qualify. I use tanks (mostly with the v2.5) and drippers (on mechanicals). I burn through about 4-5ml/day on the drippers, and only carry a 18ml bottle.
Cleaning the Kayfuns today... wishing they could go back on a P3, but back to the 2.5 with Hippo ring...
Anyone else going to ECC next weekend? Probably see a few P3's there.
Anyone else going to ECC next weekend? Probably see a few P3's there.
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