Official ProVari 3 Thread - P3

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Is there already any word on the other batteries that can be used with the ProVari?
I read somewhere from Vape360 that they will recommend more battery brand options soon, but I must have missed it!

I am very excited about the big day tomorrow! The announcement of when they will be available on the ProVape website shop and maybe some other color details!
 

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Is there already any word on the other batteries that can be used with the ProVari?
I read somewhere from Vape360 that they will recommend more battery brand options soon, but I must have missed it!

This whole battery thing is really getting out of hand. It's not like only the ones ProVape recommend will work in the P3. They originally recommended AW due to it's higher current ability, but guess what? Those are now in dead last place - everything is better these days. Even AW has come out with a new line to try to keep up with everyone else who passed them by.

The P3 will probably handle any battery you throw in it. I say "probably" because the only issue could be size, as in an 18490 flat top that's just a little less than 49mm tall, but an 18500 would definitely work fine. I have 18650, 18500, 18490, 18350 from several brands including Panasonic, LG, AW, Sony, VapPower, Efest, and probably a few more I'm forgetting. They all work fine in the P3.

The only dangers I see are using a really old battery that doesn't quite have enough current (I'd only expect that in 18350 sizes), or counterfeits. The latter is something ProVape can't even control - they could recommend a Sony VTC5, and you could buy a counterfeit that goes into thermal runaway.

Just be an informed shopper, and use some logic. The AW 18350 batteries ProVape recommended for the ProVari 2.5 mini were 6A. The ProVari 2.5 was limited to 3.5A (IIRC), and the P3 is limited to 5.5A (production). The Efest purple 18350 is 10.5A; the new AW 18350 is 12A.
 

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I am using AW 18350 batteries 6A with my P3 BETA version limited to 5A and I notice that these batteries drain very fast compared with putting them in my ProVari's 2.5...

I love the mini set up so I really need better batteries for the 18350 set up for the P3...what should I buy and where?

What are the specifications of the complete new line up for AW?
 

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This whole battery thing is really getting out of hand. It's not like only the ones ProVape recommend will work in the P3. They originally recommended AW due to it's higher current ability, but guess what? Those are now in dead last place - everything is better these days. Even AW has come out with a new line to try to keep up with everyone else who passed them by.

The P3 will probably handle any battery you throw in it. I say "probably" because the only issue could be size, as in an 18490 flat top that's just a little less than 49mm tall, but an 18500 would definitely work fine. I have 18650, 18500, 18490, 18350 from several brands including Panasonic, LG, AW, Sony, VapPower, Efest, and probably a few more I'm forgetting. They all work fine in the P3.

The only dangers I see are using a really old battery that doesn't quite have enough current (I'd only expect that in 18350 sizes), or counterfeits. The latter is something ProVape can't even control - they could recommend a Sony VTC5, and you could buy a counterfeit that goes into thermal runaway.

Just be an informed shopper, and use some logic. The AW 18350 batteries ProVape recommended for the ProVari 2.5 mini were 6A. The ProVari 2.5 was limited to 3.5A (IIRC), and the P3 is limited to 5.5A (production). The Efest purple 18350 is 10.5A; the new AW 18350 is 12A.

Whooaaaaaa amigo!
I think what that person was asking is, if Provape has said which batteries have passed their tests yet.
Provape has every right to recommend a battery that they feel is the safest choice for use with their products.
Being that the AW was their top choice for all products, up until the release of the P3, they didn't have any reason to recommend anything else.
We all know that Provape won't do a single thing without a 100% safety level...so if they're gonna add batteries to the list, I'm gonna shop from that list. I know AW's aren't "top dawg" anymore, for the rest of the vaping world...but for us Provari users, there's no need to use anything else...at least not until Provape says what other batteries they'll nod their heads to. While you're correct about being an informed shopper, there's no shame in standing behind the safety curtain Provape has created. I always use the batteries recommended with other electronics as well...I mean, when a product is designed with a certain battery in mind, isn't that the best one to use?
Personally, I hope they're testing the MXJO's...and I sincerely hope that AW will be updating the lineup...
 

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Man, I just spent a little under 16 bucks (w/shipping) for one of those caps and I didn't even get any software! If they're giving them away with software updates, they ought to let P3B owners send in their serial number and get one for just the cost of shipping.

Just an FYI...

Just got my P3 Beta back from Provape.

Software Updated, Cap Not.

I am glad too, the original Beta cap is a collectors item. (To me at least) And I'll gladly by an updated one later.

Jim
 

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Just an FYI...

Just got my P3 Beta back from Provape.

Software Updated, Cap Not.

I am glad too, the original Beta cap is a collectors item. (To me at least) And I'll gladly by an updated one later.

Jim
I told them on the RMA, that I wanted my original cap back, as well as the new one. LOL
 

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I found an online source for the P3 but if I don't order from Provape, I don't get reward points....being a Provari fiend, I have stacked up many points. I want points for this purchase too...Does anyone know how Provape is handling this? Can you get points if you buy from an authorized reseller?

Bassnorma...can you post a link? Or tell us about it pleade?


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I am using AW 18350 batteries 6A with my P3 BETA version limited to 5A and I notice that these batteries drain very fast compared with putting them in my ProVari's 2.5...

At the same voltage, with the same atomizer resistance, the drain will be exactly the same. Perhaps you're using a lower resistance atomizer, higher voltage, or higher wattage. Just because the P3 has a higher amperage limit doesn't mean it uses more power.

I love the mini set up so I really need better batteries for the 18350 set up for the P3...what should I buy and where?

IIRC, the old AW's were 700MAh and the new ones are 800MAh, so not a whole lot more, but more nonetheless. Just browsed a few others and looks like most are around 800MAh. Just stick with IMR cells and name brands.

What are the specifications of the complete new line up for AW?

OLD 18650 = 2000MAh, 10A
NEW 18650 = 2200MAh, 20A

OLD 18490 = 1100MAh, 16.5A
NEW 18490 = 1200MAh, 18A

OLD 18350 = 700MAh, 6A
NEW 18350 = 800MAh, 12A
 

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At the same voltage, with the same atomizer resistance, the drain will be exactly the same. Perhaps you're using a lower resistance atomizer, higher voltage, or higher wattage. Just because the P3 has a higher amperage limit doesn't mean it uses more power.

While true to an extent, you forgot about the oled screen. Which lights up with every firing of the unit. Unless it is turned off.

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Provape has every right to recommend a battery that they feel is the safest choice for use with their products.

Exactly what led to my comment about this getting out of control, but you're right, they do have every right to recommend.

so if they're gonna add batteries to the list, I'm gonna shop from that list.

Some people need to I suppose, but it's rather simple no matter how you look at it. Stick with IMR cells, stick with specs equal to or higher than the old recommended AW cells. Ask yourself this - why would ProVape release the P3 without a "safe battery recommendation list" if it were such a big deal? Don't you think they would have waited to release the P3 until there was a list?

I know AW's aren't "top dawg" anymore, for the rest of the vaping world...but for us Provari users

I'm one of "us Provari users", and you're completely missing the point. Batteries are being made for mechanicals these days. They're ALL *WAY OVERKILL* for "us Provari users", which is why this is so unimportant anymore. They're all way over spec for a low-end (power-wise, not quality-wise) VV/VW device. That changes when you're talking about a 200W VV/VW device, of course, but 20W, c'mon - that's low power. Remember, the P3 has a 5-5.5A power limit, so as long as your battery is rated 6A and above (like the original AW's ProVape still recommends for the P3), you're fine. That's where my comment comes from however - ALL IMR's are above 6A these days.

While you're correct about being an informed shopper, there's no shame in standing behind the safety curtain Provape has created.

I won't argue with that - there's nothing wrong with shopping off a vendor's approved list, for any product and any accessory.

I always use the batteries recommended with other electronics as well...I mean, when a product is designed with a certain battery in mind, isn't that the best one to use?

The product wasn't designed with a certain battery in mind, beyond the IMR requirement. AW's were chosen because Andy Wan was testing the cells he re-wrapped (yeah, he doesn't make them - they're re-wraps). There are only a very small few battery manufacturers out there - the rest are re-wraps. The difference with AW is he tests them before adding his stickers. However, there are clones of all these batteries, including the AW's. Someone could pass up a perfectly great authentic Sony and end up with a counterfeit AW that blows up in his face in the ProVari (not that there aren't counterfeit Sony's out there as well). That's why it's so much more important to be a smart shopper than go off a list. Know how to identify a counterfeit vs an authentic.

Personally, I hope they're testing the MXJO's...and I sincerely hope that AW will be updating the lineup...

MXJO's are re-wraps, and while I don't know much about them, I would bet they're not going through the testing that AW does on his re-wraps. Best to stick with name brands like Sony, Panasonic, and LG. Even Efest batteries are re-wraps, and I wouldn't recommend them to anyone who isn't researching them first.
 

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While true to an extent, you forgot about the oled screen. Which lights up with every firing of the unit. Unless it is turned off.

OLED's are extremely power efficient. I haven't done the math (or spec'd out the display ProVape's using in the P3), but I'd be willing to bet the power consumption from the OLED screen is negligible compared to the power you're sucking with every hit. Even 1% wouldn't be noticeable. But, like I said, I haven't done the math or tested the electronics in the P3. It also uses a stronger CPU, but that doen't necessarily mean it's using significantly more power. Someday I'll get around to testing power drain of the P3 vs the v2.5, unless someone beats me to it. With kids on the way next month, I likely won't have time for a while...
 
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OLED's are extremely power efficient. I haven't done the math (or spec'd out the display ProVape's using in the P3), but I'd be willing to be the power consumption from the OLED screen is negligible compared to the power you're sucking with every hit. Even 1% wouldn't be noticeable. But, like I said, I haven't done the math or tested the electronics in the P3. It also uses a stronger CPU, but that doen't necessarily mean it's using significantly more power. Someday I'll get around to testing power drain of the P3 vs the v2.5, unless someone beats me to it. With kids on the way next month, I likely won't have time for a while...

Keep us posted if you do.
 
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