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Having read Marius' thoughts on the P3, I need to ask this whole thread a question...

I have an early Beta model, and I am still running v31 software...
I have seen several people mention that when they press the fire button, their main screen will display the -wattage-, the battery percentage, and the ohms of the atomizer.
When they press the button again, the display switches to show the -voltage-, battery percentage, and ohms...
Is that really what happens on the newer software?
I know with boost on, the right side of the display will alternate between ohms and boost readings, with each button press...
But does the left side alternate between displaying equivalent wattage and voltage levels?
 
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Marius,
I'll tell you the one thing that helped me view the battery gauge in a different light...
Think of it as a range gauge in a car...these tell you how many miles you can go, based on your current gas level and rate of speed. If you speed up, the gauge reads fewer miles...if you slow down, the mileage will increase.
So that's basically how the battery meter on the P3 works...if you're puffing 10 times a minute, at a high output, you're gonna see it go down fast...but if you puff only once every ten minutes, it will go down more slowly...so it fluctuates with how you are vaping.

Now, Vape360 has already informed you of how to troubleshoot your issue, as the battery meter should definitely not jump around that much...
But, if the spring fix works for you, just keep in mind you will still see the battery meter fluctuate...so remember the range gauge analogy!

Marius,
I'll tell you the one thing that helped me view the battery gauge in a different light...
Think of it as a range gauge in a car...these tell you how many miles you can go, based on your current gas level and rate of speed. If you speed up, the gauge reads fewer miles...if you slow down, the mileage will increase.
So that's basically how the battery meter on the P3 works...if you're puffing 10 times a minute, at a high output, you're gonna see it go down fast...but if you puff only once every ten minutes, it will go down more slowly...so it fluctuates with how you are vaping.

Now, Vape360 has already informed you of how to troubleshoot your issue, as the battery meter should definitely not jump around that much...
But, if the spring fix works for you, just keep in mind you will still see the battery meter fluctuate...so remember the range gauge analogy!

I do understand the logic of the Provari battery gauge, it's just that in my opinion, it's not providing the information I need.
If you already used cars gauges for the example, let me continue with this path -

While cars do have range gauges, they are not replacing the fuel level gauges.
For the sake of the example, imagine your car has only a range gauge, no fuel level gauge, and based on that information you need to calculate when to refuel.
When you're driving at a certain speed it will show you some numbers, and at another speed you'll be shown some different numbers.
You don't drive at the same speed all of the time, sometimes there are ups and downs, some other times you need to slow down.
And each time you make a change, the range gauge will provide different information.
You will never know how much fuel you actually have, but only how many miles you can drive based on your current driving.
You will have no information to be used as a reference to something you know. You will not be able to plan the refuel, because the information
changes in a way and based on so many parameters that the human brain cannot calculate. Not in real time anyway.

Now here's why your range gauge example was genius - this is exactly how the Provari battery gauge works -
You can never know how much battery you actually have, but only how much can you go with your current settings.
The issue is that your settings are changing all the time. You replace atomizers, coils, different resistances, you don't even vape
at the same power all of the time, not even in the same way. All of these parameters influence the Provari battery gauge, and with so
many details that make it change, you have no reference to something constant for you to compare.
If you're leaving your house for an hour and your Provari battery gauge shows 40%, what do you learn from that ?
Maybe one thing - if you'll continue to vape the same, without changing atomizers or power settings, and at the same rate,
you're having 40%. But even if you could vape at the same rate, these 40% are 40% in comparison to what? This is not a battery level gauge,
there's no such thing as 100%, it will always be affected by the above parameters.

I'm sure that Provape had good intentions behind this feature, but at least in my opinion, it doesn't hit the target.

The change of the battery gauge to a more classic one is inevitable.
 

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I do understand the logic of the Provari battery gauge, it's just that in my opinion, it's not providing the information I need.
If you already used cars gauges for the example, let me continue with this path -

While cars do have range gauges, they are not replacing the fuel level gauges.
For the sake of the example, imagine your car has only a range gauge, no fuel level gauge, and based on that information you need to calculate when to refuel.
When you're driving at a certain speed it will show you some numbers, and at another speed you'll be shown some different numbers.
You don't drive at the same speed all of the time, sometimes there are ups and downs, some other times you need to slow down.
And each time you make a change, the range gauge will provide different information.
You will never know how much fuel you actually have, but only how many miles you can drive based on your current driving.
You will have no information to be used as a reference to something you know. You will not be able to plan the refuel, because the information
changes in a way and based on so many parameters that the human brain cannot calculate. Not in real time anyway.

Now here's why your range gauge example was genius - this is exactly how the Provari battery gauge works -
You can never know how much battery you actually have, but only how much can you go with your current settings.
The issue is that your settings are changing all the time. You replace atomizers, coils, different resistances, you don't even vape
at the same power all of the time, not even in the same way. All of these parameters influence the Provari battery gauge, and with so
many details that make it change, you have no reference to something constant for you to compare.
If you're leaving your house for an hour and your Provari battery gauge shows 40%, what do you learn from that ?
Maybe one thing - if you'll continue to vape the same, without changing atomizers or power settings, and at the same rate,
you're having 40%. But even if you could vape at the same rate, these 40% are 40% in comparison to what? This is not a battery level gauge,
there's no such thing as 100%, it will always be affected by the above parameters.

I'm sure that Provape had good intentions behind this feature, but at least in my opinion, it doesn't hit the target.

The change of the battery gauge to a more classic one is inevitable.

Agreed!!! :vapor:
 

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Yes it does.

It is a much better display than the V31.

Jim

So when it shows the wattage and voltage, are they relative to each other?

What I mean is, my Kayfun is running a 1.50ohm coil, and I have my wattage set to 10 watts flat. By that math, the equivalent voltage would be 3.87 volts...so will the display tell me that? I know the voltage doesn't go three digit, but will it display 3.8v (or 3.9v) on one click, and the 10w on the next?
 

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So when it shows the wattage and voltage, are they relative to each other?

What I mean is, my Kayfun is running a 1.50ohm coil, and I have my wattage set to 10 watts flat. By that math, the equivalent voltage would be 3.87 volts...so will the display tell me that? I know the voltage doesn't go three digit, but will it display 3.8v (or 3.9v) on one click, and the 10w on the next?

It will display both on the same click along with ohms. Click again and it shows watts or volts (whatever you have on VV or VW), battery meter and boost level.
 

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So when it shows the wattage and voltage, are they relative to each other?

What I mean is, my Kayfun is running a 1.50ohm coil, and I have my wattage set to 10 watts flat. By that math, the equivalent voltage would be 3.87 volts...so will the display tell me that? I know the voltage doesn't go three digit, but will it display 3.8v (or 3.9v) on one click, and the 10w on the next?

V31 does not do the math...

V36 does, just as Bronze has stated.

Get that thing in for an update before the Christmas USPS slowdown/loss of mail time of the year...
 

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I do understand the logic of the Provari battery gauge, it's just that in my opinion, it's not providing the information I need.
If you already used cars gauges for the example, let me continue with this path -

While cars do have range gauges, they are not replacing the fuel level gauges.
For the sake of the example, imagine your car has only a range gauge, no fuel level gauge, and based on that information you need to calculate when to refuel.
When you're driving at a certain speed it will show you some numbers, and at another speed you'll be shown some different numbers.
You don't drive at the same speed all of the time, sometimes there are ups and downs, some other times you need to slow down.
And each time you make a change, the range gauge will provide different information.
You will never know how much fuel you actually have, but only how many miles you can drive based on your current driving.
You will have no information to be used as a reference to something you know. You will not be able to plan the refuel, because the information
changes in a way and based on so many parameters that the human brain cannot calculate. Not in real time anyway.

Now here's why your range gauge example was genius - this is exactly how the Provari battery gauge works -
You can never know how much battery you actually have, but only how much can you go with your current settings.
The issue is that your settings are changing all the time. You replace atomizers, coils, different resistances, you don't even vape at the same power all of the time, not even in the same way. All of these parameters influence the Provari battery gauge, and with so many details that make it change, you have no reference to something constant for you to compare.
If you're leaving your house for an hour and your Provari battery gauge shows 40%, what do you learn from that?
Maybe one thing - if you'll continue to vape the same, without changing atomizers or power settings, and at the same rate, you're having 40%. But even if you could vape at the same rate, these 40% are 40% in comparison to what? This is not a battery level gauge, there's no such thing as 100%, it will always be affected by the above parameters.

I'm sure that Provape had good intentions behind this feature, but at least in my opinion, it doesn't hit the target.

The change of the battery gauge to a more classic one is inevitable.

Well, I certainly understand everything you're saying, and I hope that we can find a suitable answer for you.
At this point, all I can do is share my experience...
I will grab an extra battery when leaving the house, if my meter shows less than 50%...I use my P3 in 18350 mode, so an extra battery isn't that big of a deal to carry with me.

I can get at least a whole day on one battery, and I find my battery meter to be very valuable. I notice it will drop rapidly when I am vaping a lot in a short period of time...however, I have seen it display a higher percentage if I haven't had a puff in an extended period of time...
Being that everyone vapes in a completely unique way, all I can say is I love the battery meter...

Perhaps it would be beneficial to the users, if the display would also report the remaining voltage left on the battery, as the previous Provaris did...
 

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just ordered Black Friday Provaris #6 and #7 ... one P3 and one Titanium, both with ProVarinati end caps :cool:

I am starting to think ... 7 Provaris just might be borderline overkill on the backups :blink:

ProvariTG.jpg

Nuh, uh... u iz perpared 4 zombie attacks

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Well, I certainly understand everything you're saying, and I hope that we can find a suitable answer for you.
At this point, all I can do is share my experience...
I will grab an extra battery when leaving the house, if my meter shows less than 50%...I use my P3 in 18350 mode, so an extra battery isn't that big of a deal to carry with me.

I can get at least a whole day on one battery, and I find my battery meter to be very valuable. I notice it will drop rapidly when I am vaping a lot in a short period of time...however, I have seen it display a higher percentage if I haven't had a puff in an extended period of time...
Being that everyone vapes in a completely unique way, all I can say is I love the battery meter...

Perhaps it would be beneficial to the users, if the display would also report the remaining voltage left on the battery, as the previous Provaris did...

If I think there is any chance my battery will run out I either take an extra or put a fresh one in. Problem solved. No different than how I manage the juice level.
 

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V31 does not do the math...

V36 does, just as Bronze has stated.

Get that thing in for an update before the Christmas USPS slowdown/loss of mail time of the year...

Thanks to both of you!

I'll likely send it in for an update at some point, but for now, I am going to continue what I've dubbed "A long term field test of v31"...hahaha
 

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I don't yet have a P3, but I kind of agree that the battery guage is not the right way to do it. The range gauge in a car doesn't tell you that you have a half tank of gas left. It says you have ~200 miles remaining.

If the battery guage were to say for instance... "700 minutes remaining" or something to that effect... and that number adjusted on the fly according to usage, it would be significantly more usable. The current implementation though is effectively like saying that the amount of gas in my tank is dependent on how fast I'm driving.
 

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The 23mm measurement listed in that picture is not a length...its a diameter...
If you look closely, the SM connector seems to be the longest...the 510 is the shortest, with the P3 being in the middle...I am referring to the length of material under the ring with the little hole in it.
The purpose of a hybrid connector has never been sleekness or stealth...it has always been about connectivity...it's a method born from mech mods, to eliminate voltage drop between battery and atomizer.
The P3 has the ability to do the Provari version of that, with its new top cap...

Thank you for posting that. I have wonder about hybrids, but couldn't figure it out.
 

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The current implementation though is effectively like saying that the amount of gas in my tank is dependent on how fast I'm driving.

Well, the amount of gas you have in your tank really IS dependent on how fast you're driving...
If you drive really fast, you'll suck that gas down really quick!
If you just putt-putt around town, the gas will not be used up as quickly...
 

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Well, the amount of gas you have in your tank really IS dependent on how fast you're driving...
If you drive really fast, you'll suck that gas down really quick!
If you just putt-putt around town, the gas will not be used up as quickly...

But that's rate of usage, not the actual amount of gas in the tank as measured. A seperate range guage tells me in appropriate units how far I can go based on my speed and the amount of gas available.
 
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