I thought you were flirting with me.What! ECF censor ars* from the word ars*nal? LMAO!!! And no Ping, your ars* isn't looking good to me.
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Just got to get rid of that P2.5 so mama lets you sleep in her house.
New KFL going on 2.5, just need a beauty ring for it. I'm not done...
I like the Caps to beat the Rangers. After that all I can say is "Can you hear us".
All caught up, though I'm sure my speed reading will have left something out. Now all I have to do is figure out how to use this lovely, enhanced version of ecf
@Pinggolfer, repeat after me: "I do like the Caps; I do like the Caps..."
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Hmmm...what do they mean by "all natural?" Technically, the food grade PG we use is classified as an "organic compound."
"Organic compounds may be classified in a variety of ways. One major distinction is between natural and synthetic compounds."
"Natural compounds refer to those that are produced by plants or animals."
"Compounds that are prepared by reaction of other compounds are known as "synthetic". They may be either compounds that already are found in plants or animals or those that do not occur naturally." - Basic high school chemistry
"One of the common forms of propylene glycol, 1,2-propanediol, is relatively non-toxic and has many pharmaceutical applications, including its use as a preservative, emollient, and vehicle for oral and intravenous medications. These medications in their intravenous form may contain as much as 80% 1,2-propanediol."
"The other form of propylene glycol,1,3-propanediol...{It] is used as a heat transfer fluid, solvent, or coolant and provides improved heat stability, less corrosion, and lower toxicity as compared to ethylene glycol." - Journal of Analytical Toxicology, Vol. 32, May 2008
"Propylene glycol, also called propane-1,2-diol [I guess depending on how smart-like one wants their paper to look or if they are a dyslexic chemist], is an organic compound with the chemical formula C3H8O2 [Great, no subtext option]. It is a viscous colourless liquid which is nearly odourless but possesses a faintly sweet taste...The compound is sometimes called α-propylene glycol to distinguish it from the isomer propane-1,3-diol (β-propylene glycol) CH2(CH2OH)2."
Much of the above is from Wikipedia and over simplified. In any case, there is food/cosmetic grade propylene glycol and industrial grade propylene glycol. While the production methods differ, technically speaking both are organic compounds - whether derived from vegetables and animal products (like soybeans and tallow) or fermented vegetable matter (which counts as a fossil fuel) The latter starting material is usually reserved for industrial use because of the noticeable odour and taste that accompanies the final product.
My verbose point is that although "organic" has become a throwaway term in advertising, "organic compound" has a specific definition. Has one ever seen something in a grocery store marked as an organic compound? Salads, mixed vegetables and fruit cups might be able to use that label, but if so, it would be redundant and likely bewilder people who confuse organic with "pesticide-free." "All Natural," on the other hand, has no real definition (especially when the opposite could be "None Unnatural," which isn't really opposite).
Note: if one does a search on propanediol there is information on how it differs from propylene glycol, but if one reads the results closely there appears to be some misinformation, since many of the sources citied are commercial, rather than technical. I'm not saying that corn-based propanediol is inferior to food grade propylene glycol (it may well turn out to be a better option for those who have a sensitivity to PG), I'm just put off by the "All Natural Alternative" claim.
Like, ya know, Rawr....
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What! ECF censor ars* from the word ars*nal? LMAO!!! And no Ping, your ars* isn't looking good to me.
Although censoring the word might make the forum less offensive to some U.K. members (or to whomever else uses the term), I feel sorry for all the football fans who can't discuss the upcoming game. On May 4th Hull City is playing Arsenal Football Club.
Hmmm...what do they mean by "all natural?" Technically, the food grade PG we use is classified as an "organic compound."
"Organic compounds may be classified in a variety of ways. One major distinction is between natural and synthetic compounds."
"Natural compounds refer to those that are produced by plants or animals."
"Compounds that are prepared by reaction of other compounds are known as "synthetic". They may be either compounds that already are found in plants or animals or those that do not occur naturally." - Basic high school chemistry
"One of the common forms of propylene glycol, 1,2-propanediol, is relatively non-toxic and has many pharmaceutical applications, including its use as a preservative, emollient, and vehicle for oral and intravenous medications. These medications in their intravenous form may contain as much as 80% 1,2-propanediol."
"The other form of propylene glycol,1,3-propanediol...{It] is used as a heat transfer fluid, solvent, or coolant and provides improved heat stability, less corrosion, and lower toxicity as compared to ethylene glycol." - Journal of Analytical Toxicology, Vol. 32, May 2008
"Propylene glycol, also called propane-1,2-diol [I guess depending on how smart-like you want your paper to look or if you're a dyslexic chemist], is an organic compound with the chemical formula C3H8O2 [Great, no subtext option]. It is a viscous colorless liquid which is nearly odourless but possesses a faintly sweet taste...The compound is sometimes called α-propylene glycol to distinguish it from the isomer propane-1,3-diol (β-propylene glycol) CH2(CH2OH)2."
Much of the above is from Wikipedia and over simplified. In any case, there is food/cosmetic grade propylene glycol and industrial grade propylene glycol. While the production methods differ, technically speaking both are organic compounds - whether derived from vegetables and animal products (like soybeans and tallow) or fermented vegetable matter (which counts as a fossil fuel) The latter starting material is usually reserved for industrial use because of the noticeable odor and taste that accompanies the final product.
My verbose point is that although "organic" has become a throwaway term in advertising, "organic compound" has a specific definition. Have you ever seen something in a grocery store marked as an organic compound? Fresh vegetables and fruit (amongst others) could have that label [Duh], but that would be redundant and likely bewilder people who confuse organic with "pesticide-free." "All Natural," on the other hand, has no real definition (especially when the opposite could be "None Unnatural," which isn't really opposite).
Note: if you do a search on propanediol you will find information on how it differs from propylene glycol, but if you read the results closely there appears to be some misinformation, since many of the sources citied are commercial, rather than technical. I'm not saying that corn-based propanediol is inferior to food grade propylene glycol (it may well turn out to be a better option for those who have a sensitivity to PG), I'm just put-off by the "All Natural Alternative" claim.
Like, ya know, Rawr....
Holy cow. I should have not posted. I would say go to the five pawns site and read their reasoning. It all has to with people allergic to pg. I don't care as I love Gambit with or without pg.
That's my story and I'm sticking with it. I will say five pawns might have the only clean room for making their juice.
Hmmm...what do they mean by "all natural?" Technically, the food grade PG we use is classified as an "organic compound."
"Organic compounds may be classified in a variety of ways. One major distinction is between natural and synthetic compounds."
"Natural compounds refer to those that are produced by plants or animals."
"Compounds that are prepared by reaction of other compounds are known as "synthetic". They may be either compounds that already are found in plants or animals or those that do not occur naturally." - Basic high school chemistry
"One of the common forms of propylene glycol, 1,2-propanediol, is relatively non-toxic and has many pharmaceutical applications, including its use as a preservative, emollient, and vehicle for oral and intravenous medications. These medications in their intravenous form may contain as much as 80% 1,2-propanediol."
"The other form of propylene glycol,1,3-propanediol...{It] is used as a heat transfer fluid, solvent, or coolant and provides improved heat stability, less corrosion, and lower toxicity as compared to ethylene glycol." - Journal of Analytical Toxicology, Vol. 32, May 2008
"Propylene glycol, also called propane-1,2-diol [I guess depending on how smart-like you want your paper to look or if you're a dyslexic chemist], is an organic compound with the chemical formula C3H8O2 [Great, no subtext option]. It is a viscous colorless liquid which is nearly odourless but possesses a faintly sweet taste...The compound is sometimes called α-propylene glycol to distinguish it from the isomer propane-1,3-diol (β-propylene glycol) CH2(CH2OH)2."
Much of the above is from Wikipedia and over simplified. In any case, there is food/cosmetic grade propylene glycol and industrial grade propylene glycol. While the production methods differ, technically speaking both are organic compounds - whether derived from vegetables and animal products (like soybeans and tallow) or fermented vegetable matter (which counts as a fossil fuel) The latter starting material is usually reserved for industrial use because of the noticeable odor and taste that accompanies the final product.
My verbose point is that although "organic" has become a throwaway term in advertising, "organic compound" has a specific definition. Have you ever seen something in a grocery store marked as an organic compound? Fresh vegetables and fruit (amongst others) could have that label [Duh], but that would be redundant and likely bewilder people who confuse organic with "pesticide-free." "All Natural," on the other hand, has no real definition (especially when the opposite could be "None Unnatural," which isn't really opposite).
Note: if you do a search on propanediol you will find information on how it differs from propylene glycol, but if you read the results closely there appears to be some misinformation, since many of the sources citied are commercial, rather than technical. I'm not saying that corn-based propanediol is inferior to food grade propylene glycol (it may well turn out to be a better option for those who have a sensitivity to PG), I'm just put-off by the "All Natural Alternative" claim.
Like, ya know, Rawr....
Now there's the kitty cat we all know and love! Yes we do!!
Oh no, no! I didn't mean to criticize you personally at all! I meant the "you" in my post as readers in general. It's the claim of "All Natural" by any producer that sets me off. I did note that at the end of my post. I know I went on about PG, but while reading up on propanediol I read a statement that PG is made from petroleum products and another that it's made from a biodiesel byproduct. Fuzzy science makes me prickly.
ETA: I changed the "you"s to "one"s in the post, which makes me sound very pretentious.
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Could you provide some detail on your brief synopsis?Hmmm...what do they mean by "all natural?" Technically, the food grade PG we use is classified as an "organic compound."
"Organic compounds may be classified in a variety of ways. One major distinction is between natural and synthetic compounds."
"Natural compounds refer to those that are produced by plants or animals."
"Compounds that are prepared by reaction of other compounds are known as "synthetic". They may be either compounds that already are found in plants or animals or those that do not occur naturally." - Basic high school chemistry
"One of the common forms of propylene glycol, 1,2-propanediol, is relatively non-toxic and has many pharmaceutical applications, including its use as a preservative, emollient, and vehicle for oral and intravenous medications. These medications in their intravenous form may contain as much as 80% 1,2-propanediol."
"The other form of propylene glycol,1,3-propanediol...{It] is used as a heat transfer fluid, solvent, or coolant and provides improved heat stability, less corrosion, and lower toxicity as compared to ethylene glycol." - Journal of Analytical Toxicology, Vol. 32, May 2008
"Propylene glycol, also called propane-1,2-diol [I guess depending on how smart-like one wants their paper to look or if they are a dyslexic chemist], is an organic compound with the chemical formula C3H8O2 [Great, no subtext option]. It is a viscous colourless liquid which is nearly odourless but possesses a faintly sweet taste...The compound is sometimes called α-propylene glycol to distinguish it from the isomer propane-1,3-diol (β-propylene glycol) CH2(CH2OH)2."
Much of the above is from Wikipedia and over simplified. In any case, there is food/cosmetic grade propylene glycol and industrial grade propylene glycol. While the production methods differ, technically speaking both are organic compounds - whether derived from vegetables and animal products (like soybeans and tallow) or fermented vegetable matter (which counts as a fossil fuel) The latter starting material is usually reserved for industrial use because of the noticeable odour and taste that accompanies the final product.
My verbose point is that although "organic" has become a throwaway term in advertising, "organic compound" has a specific definition. Has one ever seen something in a grocery store marked as an organic compound? Fresh vegetables and fruit (amongst others) could have that label [Duh], but that would be redundant and likely bewilder people who confuse organic with "pesticide-free." "All Natural," on the other hand, has no real definition (especially when the opposite could be "None Unnatural," which isn't really opposite).
Note: if one does a search on propanediol there is information on how it differs from propylene glycol, but if one reads the results closely there appears to be some misinformation, since many of the sources citied are commercial, rather than technical. I'm not saying that corn-based propanediol is inferior to food grade propylene glycol (it may well turn out to be a better option for those who have a sensitivity to PG), I'm just put off by the "All Natural Alternative" claim.
Like, ya know, Rawr....
Ping goto Taste Your Juice and watch video on GoodLife Vapor... The have a pretty clean room too.
Jim
Good morning, folks.
A little late, but - Tim, sveicu tevi dzimšanas dienā. Hope you had a nice one.
Btw, speaking about 5P - the Castle Long I got for my birthday is right up my alley.. Yep.
R
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A little late, but - Tim, sveicu tevi dzimšanas dienā. Hope you had a nice one.
Btw, speaking about 5P - the Castle Long I got for my birthday is right up my alley.. Yep.
R
*via Tapatalk
Actually I didn't understand any of the chemistry you mentioned in your first reply. I'm no Walter White so it went right over my head. I'm certainly not mad or upset. Even staying at a Holiday Inn Express didn't help with me with the chemistry. Carry on.
I figure it like this:
I enjoy the flavor and vape experience = GOOD
Makes me cough, choke, or vomit = BAD
Given that all of my juice is DIY, it's doubly painful when the latter happens... (Don't laugh, WillyZee, I KNOW you've been there, too...)
Oh, and Daywork is onboard, 10-8, 10-99. 'Ello, everyone!
I enjoy the flavor and vape experience = GOOD
Makes me cough, choke, or vomit = BAD
Given that all of my juice is DIY, it's doubly painful when the latter happens...
(Don't laugh, WillyZee, I KNOW you've been there, too...)Oh, and Daywork is onboard, 10-8, 10-99. 'Ello, everyone!
You obviously booked the wrong hotel, Ping. It MUST be HI Express, and I believe you mistakenly landed in a basic HI property. Had you been in an Express your chemistry would be fine.Actually I didn't understand any of the chemistry you mentioned in your first reply. I'm no Walter White so it went right over my head. I'm certainly not mad or upset. Even staying at a Holiday Inn Express didn't help with me with the chemistry. Carry on.
Never lose focus of a task at hand.
I figure it like this:
I enjoy the flavor and vape experience = GOOD
Makes me cough, choke, or vomit = BAD
Given that all of my juice is DIY, it's doubly painful when the latter happens...
Oh, and Daywork is onboard, 10-8, 10-99. 'Ello, everyone!
Lol ... when I first started, every company I bought 100mg nicotine from, to my taste, was peppery ... finally found the Holy Grail in VapersTek
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No wonder why it was only $19.95 a night. Thanks DP.
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