Official ProVari Radius Thread - Part 2

[h00ligan]

Technically, they already have. The IQ feature detects total circuit resistance, but most of that is internal to the battery. If you notice, you'll always have a lower IQ on a larger battery. 18350's will always have the best, and 18650's always have the worst. With the existing IQ, they could easily tell if an 18350 was installed.

Really that's not my experience at all. The iq reading on 350: is always really inaccurate. That's one of the things I've been speaking with support about. I sent it in (man they're great in support there) and they reflashed but I'm currently starting a log.

I won't bore anyone getting too verbose but this is the one issue I've had with the p3. Internal health very often relays to me my brand new batteries are terrible and then requires removal and reinsertion a few times to use the batteries fully.

In conversation this has to do with internal resistance- aw batteries being higher. Resistance are not working well. The Samsung 25r batteries I use though are way more reliable than any of the 350. This is unfortunate due to the size of the unit in 650 mode if much rather use 359 batteries but I get about 45-60 one second puffs before they expire. It's terrible battery life across a range of 350.

Now it is possible I have an issue but it could be in not representing it properly either. So i am
Keeping a log.

 

[h00ligan]

Nope, that's not how it works. The 900mAH rating on the LiPo is TOTAL. What's important is converting to watt hours.

11.1v x 900mAH / 1000 = 9.99WH (LiPo as in most DNA200's)
3.7v x 2500mAH / 1000 = 9.25WH (18650)
3.7v x 2500mAH x 3 cells / 1000 = 27.75WH (3x18650's in Reuleaux DNA200)

And DNA200 LiPo mod owners wonder why battery life sucks.



Nope - see above, and now you know what's really going on...



1½ ? As you can now see in the example above, it's almost triple.



Battery technology has always been lagging behind consumer electronics. The scary thing now is that the more energy they contain in a smaller package, the more dangerous they become. Today's exploding mods is just the beginning for tomorrow's battery technology.

Please bear in mind that to get s battery to actually blow up would require a level of stupidity and lack or awareness almost unattainable. Along with a very very bad design and superhuman ability to resist heat.

How many blown off hands have we heard about vs complete ...... shorting batteries. In many cases springs will melt on a hard shirt which immediately removed the short. Not to mention the amazing level of heat you absolutely notice and couldn't hold on to.

I'm not saying it's. Not dangerous but exploding batteries is a big time internet overstatement at best.

I need to double check that math after coffee. Whilst I'm not a lipo fan my opus 200 in practical use blew away single 18650 battery life in the p3 at similar settings and using temp control. The later I can understand more than the former. I never had an issue getting all day life from it. Even when it was my only device in use.

So at least for my mouth to lung vaping style I can't say my experience with a 1000 mah lipo
Mod was bad in terms of battery life. I don't believe that's correct about the 3 batteries having a 900mah total or unfit is there's something else to factor in regarding how they work in series /parallel. I'm not saying you're wrong. It seems wrong at a glance and I need to check that out because it Jair doesn't line up with my practical
Experience.

Of course everyone's mileage varies.

For example I have no idea why he only mod
My subtank mink works halfway decently
On is the provari p3. Maybe the boost setting gets it Going properly. Maybe the power purity. I really don't know I've put it on 30
devices and the only time I get a vape
From it I like Is on the p3 at maxed power. I'm
Sure there's a reason somewhere for this. I can't find it. Maybe it's just I've had a ton of bad coils and a few good ones which coincide with the o3 usage.

 

[raitizz]

Now then.
Mr.Busardo has the Radius (used in his last review, with the GG Tilemahos Springomizer). He was asked in the comments when will he review the Radius, the answer was "Hopefully soon".
I don't get the hesitation and restraint regarding this device. Thought he'd jump on it as a Provari fan.

R

 

[Dr. Tranny]

Now then.
Mr.Busardo has the Radius (used in his last review, with the GG Tilemahos Springomizer). He was asked in the comments when will he review the Radius, the answer was "Hopefully soon".
I don't get the hesitation and restraint regarding this device. Thought he'd jump on it as a Provari fan.

R

I don't see it as hesitation, necessarily. As he has repeatedly stated, he has a HUGE backlog of devices in the queue. He's also mentioned his upcoming return trip to China with Dimitri. I'm thinking it's not so much hesitation as it is carving out enough time to give the Radius it's due diligence and the attention to detail we've all come to expect from his reviews.

 

[raitizz]

I don't see it as hesitation, necessarily. As he has repeatedly stated, he has a HUGE backlog of devices in the queue. He's also mentioned his upcoming return trip to China with Dimitri. I'm thinking it's not so much hesitation as it is carving out enough time to give the Radius it's due diligence and the attention to detail we've all come to expect from his reviews.

I hope you're right.

R

 

[Bronze]

Now then.
Mr.Busardo has the Radius (used in his last review, with the GG Tilemahos Springomizer). He was asked in the comments when will he review the Radius, the answer was "Hopefully soon".
I don't get the hesitation and restraint regarding this device. Thought he'd jump on it as a Provari fan.

R

Reviewers are supposed to be one of the first to try it and report their findings for others to evaluate their buying decision. The Radius is a well established product and Phil is too late to the dance. It's like me reviewing Gone With the Wind.

 

[JohnD0406]

Please bear in mind that to get s battery to actually blow up would require a level of stupidity and lack or awareness almost unattainable. Along with a very very bad design and superhuman ability to resist heat.

...such as YiHi and P4Y's newly announced 200W dual 18650 mods?

How many blown off hands have we heard about vs complete ...... shorting batteries. In many cases springs will melt on a hard shirt which immediately removed the short. Not to mention the amazing level of heat you absolutely notice and couldn't hold on to.

Depends on the design of the mod. Some have little to no venting, and turn into pipe bombs when the battery vents. There are plenty of photos on images.google searches of missing body parts. A good design will have plenty of venting and at best would become a rocket. I have seen a few mech mods that were peeled like a banana, even from 18350's. My local vape shop has a small collection from uneducated vapers using poor designs.

I'm not saying it's. Not dangerous but exploding batteries is a big time internet overstatement at best.

Most of the time, yes, but like I said, search images.google and you'll see plenty of carnage.

I need to double check that math after coffee. Whilst I'm not a lipo fan my opus 200 in practical use blew away single 18650 battery life in the p3 at similar settings and using temp control. The later I can understand more than the former.

Bingo, with the TC/TL. Anyone who has never tried it, doesn't understand the behavior of TC/TL. It takes a lot of power to get a coil up to temperature, but it takes very little to maintain that temperature. So naturally, as I think you've led on to already know, TC/TL will save a lot of power.

As for the LiPo blowing away an 18650, that depends on the mAH ratings of both. Most of the LiPo's in DNA200 mods are 900mH or 1100mAH (so 1100mAH would give you 12.21WH vs say a 2000mAH 18650 at 7.4WH). There are of course much larger capacity LiPo's, but those tend to be quite large mods and that's why they're not more popular.

So at least for my mouth to lung vaping style I can't say my experience with a 1000 mah lipo mod was bad in terms of battery life.

At equal power, a 1000mAH LiPo will outlast a 2500mAH 18650 - just not by much.

I don't believe that's correct about the 3 batteries having a 900mah total or unfit is there's something else to factor in regarding how they work in series /parallel.

That's because there are 3 cells in the pack, each at 3.7v nominal voltage, but LiPo packs are rated for the total pack capacity. Due to the 3 cells, voltage is increased to 11.1v (3x 3.7v), so the math works out the same:

3.7v x (3x 900mAH) = 9990 = 9.99WH
11.1v x (1x 900mAH) = 9990 = 9.99WH

What you don't get to do is multiply BOTH voltage AND mAH by 3 - choose one and do the math from there.

 

[coolerat]

Math has its place but in the real work my VT200 at 50w last all day and my Radius at 30w last 8 hours.

My shift is 9 hours so the Radius makes me carry 2 mods.

I don't use TC.

To be fair to 18650's my DNA40 mods last over a day at 30w.

When you standing there with a dead battery surrounded by smokers math ain't gonna save ya from the stinkies.

I did look into the Roolo 200. Feels great in the hand but it is huge.

 

[h00ligan]

Ok thanks for clarifying. Yah that seems about right. In VW/VV mode the opus seemed to last at least as long and typically longer than slmost all my other batteries.

The issue of course wih the internal packs as I stated before is they take forever to charge.i certainly wouldn't want one as my primary or only mod. They should all include a ten foot use cable given half the day you'd need to bake with it charging at minimum.

You're right in temp control I expect to last s lot longer for exactly the reason you stated

Except for my style it self some takes more than 22 watts for half a second before it reduces to 2-4 watts to maintain. Kure also right that s lot of people miss that advantage. Ime it can double or more battery life compared to regular VV/VW vaping. I also take the time to run down the power on my temp Mods.

In running some tests on the p3 with some 350 batteries right now so I can hopefully have more hard data for provari support. I do really like the p3 but I feel like I can't take it out for even w couple of hours in 350 mod without taking two more batteries. Something just isn't right. And not may well be that I have a bunch of crap batteries.

My wae ii DNA 30 mod lasts me functionally two days on one 18650'(I vape
Multiple mods. In 18650 mode it's shorter I believe than the p3 in 500
Mode. But not by much. It leek right now he smallest I can go and really get function k need is 18500 mode - unfortunately saving 15mm costs 60% capacity. That size just hasn't been developed anywhere near was wel as 18650


The size of the p3 and power deficiency of 350 series batteries along with my appreciation of
Provape and what they do is why I was considering their new new box

 

[Zombo]

Reviewers are supposed to be one of the first to try it and report their findings for others to evaluate their buying decision. The Radius is a well established product and Phil is too late to the dance. It's like me reviewing Gone With the Wind.

He mentioned a while back that Provape was waiting to send him the updated version.

 

[Woofer]

The Radius is a well established product and Phil is too late to the dance. It's like me reviewing Gone With the Wind.

Will your review be longer than the movie?

 

[HBcorpse]

It's like me reviewing Gone With the Wind.

ReVIEWING? Or reLIVING?
Just how accurate WAS that movie?
You should remember...you were alive in the time period it was about!
[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

 

[Woofer]

A couple of things I don't care about are;
1) If a reply was sent via tapatype from whatever device
2) What PB's opinions are about the Radius.

 

[rbrylawski]

ReVIEWING? Or reLIVING?
Just how accurate WAS that movie?
You should remember...you were alive in the time period it was about!
[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

Oh no you di_n't!! LOL

 

[HBcorpse]

Oh no you di_n't!! LOL

Hey! You were there too! [emoji13][emoji13][emoji13]

 

[rbrylawski]

Hey! You were there too! [emoji13][emoji13][emoji13]

Harumph......

But I am old enough to have seen this when it originally aired on the Carol Burnett show. One of the funniest parodies of all time, evah!!

 

[USMCotaku]

Book learnin's alright. I ain't one to belittle someone for that stuff.

But you can learn alot in the real World to so don't discount it so flippantly.

Guy with a middle school edumacations like me walks out the door with a charged mod and at the end of his shift its dead. Next day he grabs a different mod/same tank and its lasts all day. How many years would he have to go to college to figger out the second one lasted longer??

My 18650's are 2500. My DNA 200 is 900. BUT its 3 cells. So 2700. On the surface about equal. But they are different batteries. So in the real world I get about 1½-2 times the battery life with lipo's.

Other things come into play but raw battery life lipo's blow 18650's away. The 3 battery mod would have at best 1½ times the life and its a BRICK. But if all you wanted was pure battery life thats that.

Start pushing towards that 200w mark and it will be time for the next generation of batteries. I'm excited to see that.

part of the reason for that is the LiPo packs have a flatter discharge curve then the 18650 format, the other part is the lipo mod is bucking voltage, where as a single 18650 mod is boosting, and bucking is a tad more efficient.

I wish all this fear of LiPo batteries would go away. They are a good fit for vaping, with much higher C ratings available. If used within spec, they aren't the walking time bombs people claim......we all use them and carry them around all day every day (cell phones, etc..).

 

[Bronze]

He mentioned a while back that Provape was waiting to send him the updated version.

I don't doubt him. But it remains it is too late whoever's fault it is.

 

[Bronze]

Will your review be longer than the movie?

I never saw the whole thing. Truthfully, the only part of the movie I ever watched was...

 

[Bronze]

ReVIEWING? Or reLIVING?
Just how accurate WAS that movie?
You should remember...you were alive in the time period it was about!
[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

Low blow!