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[starsong]

Most all normal cartos hold 1ml, and SI says that's what theirs are prefilled with. I'm guessing you could squeeze in a little more. I think it would be more economical to buy a pack of prefilled then refill those, getting you an extra 5ml for 'free'. Unless you want to fill them with a completely different flavor. But even still...

Been a Led Zeppelin fan from way back

Let's see........how many mL does each blank SI carto hold again? I'm thinking it was 1.2 mL,.....or am I just remembering that number from the atty I bought off of madvapes?

Would I be wrong in assuming that the prefilled ones from SI contain that amount? Or are they a little underfilled to prevent leaking?

Has anyone ever did the math, and figured up if it is cheaper to buy blanks and then a big bottle of juice to fill them yourself? Or are the prefilled ones actually cheaper after all is in said and done,...which would seem to go against traditional reasoning?

That being said,.....I've got some 36mg strength juice coming tomorrow! Let's see if between this juice, and manipulating the battery cutoff timer, if I can get a little bit of a headrush now!

Cheers,
Kelly - aka - CosmicEnergy (which is actually a Led Zeppelin reference BTW) Let me throw a little fluff in for good measure......any Zeppelin fans up in here?

 

[thecosmicenergy]

Most all normal cartos hold 1ml, and SI says that's what theirs are prefilled with. I'm guessing you could squeeze in a little more. I think it would be more economical to buy a pack of prefilled then refill those, getting you an extra 5ml for 'free'. Unless you want to fill them with a completely different flavor. But even still...

Been a Led Zeppelin fan from way back

Yeah, I guess since a pack of 5 cartos (either prefilled or blanks) costs $8.95 + $2.16 shipping = $11.11 (w/no discount).....that would make the cartos just under $2.25 each ($11.11/5 cartos). So since each carto = ~1 mL, then each mL in the prefilled cartos would then cost the same.....~$2.25. Whereas, a 30 mL bottle of juice can be had for ~$16 after shipping (w/no discount), making the cost of each mL just under $0.55 ($16/30 mL). I suppose that would make refilling a no brainer then. Even by just getting the smaller, less cost efficient 10 mL sizes, it is still cost effective at $0.91/mL.

Cheers,
Kelly

"Upon us all,...a little rain must fall"

 

[C8se]

Has anyone ever did the math, and figured up if it is cheaper to buy blanks and then a big bottle of juice to fill them yourself? Or are the prefilled ones actually cheaper after all is said and done,...which would seem to go against traditional reasoning?

......any Zeppelin fans up in here?

Regardless of whether you buy prefilled or blanks you can fill them at least 5-10 times before they burn-out or get too gunked-up to draw properly (your mileage may vary), and that is without cleaning them. Of course, if you switch flavors then that will be an issue.

For example: If you know you like SI's RY4, then buy RY4 prefills AND a bottle of their RY4 juice. When the carto runs out of its initial prefilled juice, just pop the end cap, refill it from the bottle and

I think all of SI's juices are 80/20 PG/VG, so its a pretty thin juice. I often vape 100% VG juice from Alien Visions (mind blowing tobacco flavors!), and still get 3-4 refills in before they need to be cleaned.

...HUGE Led Zepplin fan, isn't everyone?

 

[rave]

Regardless of whether you buy prefilled or blanks you can fill them at least 5-10 times before they burn-out or get too gunked-up to draw properly (your mileage may vary), and that is without cleaning them. Of course, if you switch flavors then that will be an issue.

For example: If you know you like SI's RY4, then buy RY4 prefills AND a bottle of their RY4 juice. When the carto runs out of its initial prefilled juice, just pop the end cap, refill it from the bottle and

I think all of SI's juices are 80/20 PG/VG, so its a pretty thin juice. I often vape 100% VG juice from Alien Visions (mind blowing tobacco flavors!), and still get 3-4 refills in before they need to be cleaned.

...HUGE Led Zepplin fan, isn't everyone?

That's what I almost always do: Buy prefilled first, and then keep filling them with the bottled nicquid. I can get several refills before I even have to clean - then clean and repeat. These are lasting me a loooong time. I don't even stick with the same flavor. I can refill with a flavor that's different, but "plays nice" with the first flavor. For instance: a nice coffee flavor will work well added to a vanilla carto, or strawberry in a watermelon carto.

Mega Led Zep fan here since the 70's. I could listen to Kashmir non-stop for a week straight and still be a happy camper.

 

[cindycated]

Whoa, we got SPAMMED! Isn't that against the rules? Now, that could get annoying (I'm a big fluff fan).

I could never afford vaping if I didn't fill.

 

[rave]

I messed up the first one too, pulled everything out. But my second attempt worked and the carto-atty worked great. Till I rinsed it out to remove the old flavors. Now it won't work at all. I'm going to pick up a 901 atty to use. I've seen others recommend them and you say you had good results too. I wish I could get to where I had enough "winners" that I didn't need to try new juices all the time. I wonder if anyone ever gets to that point.

My empty Volt still seems to be working fine as a tester, but I've only rinsed it a couple of times. Marlou: PM me, and I'll send you a new 901 atty. I've got some gathering dust (not literally) because I'm not using them anymore.

As far as "winners" go: I need LESS winners. The reason I have ten Volts "loaded for bear" at one time is because there are ten flavors that I can't seem to live without on a daily basis. But - I've been vaping for over two years. Just when you think you have enough winners, someone sends you a sample that you fall head over heels in love with.

 

[rave]

Whoa, we got SPAMMED! Isn't that against the rules? Now, that could get annoying (I'm a big fluff fan).

I could never afford vaping if I didn't fill.

I reported it by clicking the 'exclamation point in a triangle' icon that is to the right of 'Blog this Post' at the bottom of the post. Might help if others do the same.

 

[Wuzznt Me]

@Cosmic
They're supposed to hold 1ml which seems to be right. I refill when the taste first starts to change and get between 20-25 drops in then carefully check it to make sure it isn't overfull. I use auto batts. I blow through them from the open end, wipe the bottom thoroughly and twist a little piece of paper towel and stick it in the batt end. If I even suspect it's going to gurgle I put it on a manual batt and take a few hits. But these are my first autobatts and I'm a little paranoid. Better for me to overkill the caution than kill a batt.
I buy them prefilled,I think the price is about the same, and buy a big bottle of the same or similar flavor to refill. Muuuch cheaper.
Hope that 36 is mostly pg and helps you find that rush.
Time to get the Led out. Jimmy Page rocks.

Dang, missed a whole page of responses before I typed. More coffee and Desert Joe. You night owls were busy while I slept

 

[thecosmicenergy]

That's what I almost always do: Buy prefilled first, and then keep filling them with the bottled nicquid....

Nicquid........I like!! Did you coin that term? I think I'll steal it to use myself. It rocks!

....Mega Led Zep fan here since the 70's. I could listen to Kashmir non-stop for a week straight and still be a happy camper.

I thought that was the definition of a happy camper!!

Alrighty then,....glad to see the Zep Heds representing here. Speaking of Kashmir, .......that's one of my all-time-favs too..........plus I was thinking earlier....that would make a good name for an exotic, spicy tobacco blend.

Cheers,
Kelly

"Spent my days with a woman unkind,........smoked up my Volt and drank..............all my wine"

 

[marlou]

My empty Volt still seems to be working fine as a tester, but I've only rinsed it a couple of times. Marlou: PM me, and I'll send you a new 901 atty. I've got some gathering dust (not literally) because I'm not using them anymore.

As far as "winners" go: I need LESS winners. The reason I have ten Volts "loaded for bear" at one time is because there are ten flavors that I can't seem to live without on a daily basis. But - I've been vaping for over two years. Just when you think you have enough winners, someone sends you a sample that you fall head over heels in love with.

Rave, that is so nice of you! Since your empty carto still works after rinsing out I'm going to try another one. Then if it dies on me right away, I'll PM you about the 901 atty. I hope I'm not sounding ungrateful, just thinking of saving you the hassle if I can get an empty carto to work.

I'm slowly becoming resigned to the fact that I may be becoming a juice junky. Was really hoping there was a cure. Everytime I read a review on one that sounds like my kind of flavor, I just have to try it. I've found some good ones that way, but some go in the emergency box. If there's ever a dire emergency, I will be prepared!

 

[CatLady007]

Yay, CatLady's here! Don't tell them over there that I've been hanging out here now

You'd be much better off getting some SI Volt dongles to charge (just the dongle though - your wall adapter would still work). You can keep using your V2/V4L dongles in the meantime, but it would take FOREVERRR, and still wouldn't charge them all the way, which isn't really great for the battery. I think there might be something different about the internals/brains/motherboards of these new-gen KR808s that don't like the old-school stuff. Same thing happened when I tried to charge my EVW batt with my V2 dongle.

WELCOME! It's fun over here!

Hey cindycated!! I would never squeal; cats don't, you know.
Since none of the replies suggest that I'll kill my neat new battery with these chargers, I've cleaned both posts, and lifted the charger post. Will try one more long charge. Thanks, everyone, for the advice.
--I'd hate to have to order a new dongle just to charge one battery.

 

[Uncle]

Hey there – Kelly (aka: Cosmic Energy). . .

So nice that you're still here and you’ve joined in with even just a little “Fluff” . . .

But first, even though you have been answered by more experienced “Volters” than I, it has been my experience that I can fill an SI “carto” with even more than 1 ml -1.2 ml – I think it is almost a full 1.3 - 1.4 ml without any waste – especially if I use the “Tyran Spin” while filling via the “Condom Method” and let them sit for a little bit in-between so the juice can really "steep" into the fill (You can do a search for both methods to find out more info & “How To”). Like I mentioned, just my limited experience so far . . .

Also, if you want even more info about filling and cleaning SI “cartos” for maximum use and even better results, if I may suggest – check out our own “Vapians” CartomizerFillinator / Cartomizercleaninator V2 (here is the link to his thread http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...0782-cartomizerfillinator-21.html#post4022364 ) – he worked very hard to create this method and refine the equipment - that also happens to work for me too, especially when cleaning/filling up more then 1-3 cartomizers at a time.

Now as for testing “Nicquid”, e-juice, etc. – as “Rave” suggested, I am finding and can confirm that using a “901 atty” someone sent me for this purpose has been working pretty well so far (Although, I will be using another product and a “tank” for major testing of different flavor juices this week).

BTW, really like the way you think about the “cost effectiveness”.

Okay Everyones been “Warned" – “Fluff” Alert : In the ‘60’s and 70’s, I was more “Folk” at the time (think: Bob Dylan, James Taylor, Carol King, Joan Baez, Judy Collins, Jim Croce, etc. – I really enjoyed “True” Rock . . . So as for “Led Zeppelin” (You’re how old ? ? ? ?) besides “Kashmir” thumbs: "Rave" - an absolute classic “rock” and a “Fav” of mine too), how about their first “Jim’s Blues” (as the “New Yardbirds”) and one of their best albums “Houses of the Holy” and one of their most popular songs, “Stairway to Heaven” . . .

(HEY – you never know who likes what – I was even a Hugh fan of music from the 50’s “Doo-Woop” and “POP” classics, “Movie Musicals” (from the 20’s-60’s), “Broadway Tunes,” and of course “JAZZ” View attachment 53924 . . . I know “sick” View attachment 53923– very “sick” )

And BTW, an FYI: It must have been the times and culture induced – “Cosmic Energy” – that you are exuding though-out the Universe (Think: Yoga) and You becoming part of the special bond that has been created here . . . Think “Star Wars” . . . “Join the “Fluff” – Luke . . .View attachment 53925

 

[ConnieBGood]

After reading starsong's post I'm beginning to think maybe the Volt batts eventually kill the other brands chargers instead of the other way around!!! Volt is just to strong for the other brands to stand up against.

Has anyone tried charging a V2 or other brand with the Volt dongle? I'm afraid to try it!

So it's an interesting coincidence that we are talking about what chargers will work with the Volt.
-- My usb dongle stays green and won't charge a very dead battery - LED never comes on.
-- I never had a problem using my original v4l charger, but now it won't work - charger light stays blue all the time and LED doesn't come on.
-- I used to be able to use the Riva charger if I put on the adapter, and now it won't work either.

What the heck is going on here?!? So for now I've got the slider, plus the mega and my original v4l pcc called out of retirement. Just don't understand why none of the 'home' chargers work anymore. And I did try a couple different batteries, and tried lifting the center post. Nada. Guess I'll be ordering a couple new usb chargers now. sigh.

 

[DebW]

After reading starsong's post I'm beginning to think maybe the Volt batts eventually kill the other brands chargers instead of the other way around!!! Volt is just to strong for the other brands to stand up against.

Has anyone tried charging a V2 or other brand with the Volt dongle? I'm afraid to try it!

Me, too. I have a dongle from Volcano, but I'm afraid of ruining the battery and/or the dongle.

 

[barneyruckus]

yes it should be

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

 

[barneyruckus]

That's funny... I spoke with Michaela at SI via chat and she says that all their juices/cartomizers are 100% PG. I asked her cause I ordered 24mg 100% PG from another supplier and got a MASSIVE TH, my head almost exploded... but zero vapor on the exhale. This was way different from my prefilled SI cartos of 24mg, which had pretty heavy TH and good amount of vapor.

Hi all and thanks for the welcomes,
I just found out that the MadVapes juice I have been using to refill with, is not 80/20 PG/VG, but 40/60 PG/VG instead. How does 80/20 compare? The only 80/20 I've had is the 12mg Smokeless Image Sampler cartos I originally got with the kit.

Cheers,

Kelly

 

[SandySu]

Let's see........how many mL does each blank SI carto hold again? I'm thinking it was 1.2 mL,.....or am I just remembering that number from the atty I bought off of MadVapes?

Would I be wrong in assuming that the prefilled ones from SI contain that amount? Or are they a little underfilled to prevent leaking?

Has anyone ever did the math, and figured up if it is cheaper to buy blanks and then a big bottle of juice to fill them yourself? Or are the prefilled ones actually cheaper after all is said and done,...which would seem to go against traditional reasoning?

That being said,.....I've got some 36mg strength juice coming tomorrow! Let's see if between this juice, and manipulating the battery cutoff timer, if I can get a little bit of a headrush now!

Cheers,
Kelly - aka - CosmicEnergy (which is actually a Led Zeppelin reference BTW) Let me throw a little fluff in for good measure......any Zeppelin fans up in here?

I like Led Zep.

 

[barneyruckus]

FYI... If you buy 10 packs of blanks from SI they are $7.45ea. The prefilled will go as low as $8.29ea when you buy 10. So, if you're buying your juice from SI, and you're ordering at least 10 packs of cartos... it's nearlly the same price, but you'll have the luxury of choosing which flavors go in what.
However; as competitive as SI's prices are... There are other places where you can find some killer prices on some awesome juices. This is where it starts to matter.
I've only tried the 24mg Menthol Burst from SI (came with kit). It was good, but I wanted to try other juices. What I do now is buy the blank volt cartos and a bunch of juices and stuff from other vendors and make my own crazy flavors... I don't know if I'm actually saving money at this point, but I'm sure having fun doing it! That's just me though. Maybe someday if SI has a crazy sale... I'll try all the flavors... Just so I know what they're like.

Yeah, I guess since a pack of 5 cartos (either prefilled or blanks) costs $8.95 + $2.16 shipping = $11.11 (w/no discount).....that would make the cartos just under $2.25 each ($11.11/5 cartos). So since each carto = ~1 mL, then each mL in the prefilled cartos would then cost the same.....~$2.25. Whereas, a 30 mL bottle of juice can be had for ~$16 after shipping (w/no discount), making the cost of each mL just under $0.55 ($16/30 mL). I suppose that would make refilling a no brainer then. Even by just getting the smaller, less cost efficient 10 mL sizes, it is still cost effective at $0.91/mL.

Cheers,
Kelly

"Upon us all,...a little rain must fall"

 

[barneyruckus]

Just thought of something... I wish we could order a mix of flavors and still get the bulk price when it adds up to a total of 10 cartomizer packs. I think if it was like that... I'd definitely try all the flavors from SI. I guess one could order 10 packs of the samplers, but it still doesn't offer the flexibility of being able to pick and choose.

 

[Uncle]

Volt is just to strong for the other brands to stand up against.

Has anyone tried charging a V2 or other brand with the Volt dongle? I'm afraid to try it!

Just as an FYI: Actually, it is the other way around for me, the only thing I had to charge my "Volt" batteries was the Mega PCC and connecting via the USB port on my computer . . . Until, I took a chance with the "Wall Wart" & "Dongle" that came with my first kit from another company that - as I learned - Thankfully , has the exact same one's as SI . . . It works great and I can now fully charge all my "Volt" batteries and the Mega PCC directly from a wall outlet too . . .

(BTW, OH - I can't wait to see the NEW & Improved SI PCC, hopefully it will not take as long to recharge itself and the batteries )