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CatLady007

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Any feedback would be appreciated:

Because I keep several flavors, one per carto, and refill them as (or before) needed, I didn't have a very good idea of how many refills I was getting. So I started with a fresh blank and a full 5ml bottle, dedicated to that carto, and I find that after about 5ml, the carto performance is starting to degrade noticeably. Does this seem to match up to you guys'/gals' experience? I honestly thought my SI cartos were lasting longer than that. And BTW, I think 5ml per carto is not bad; I just am thinking that some of you are getting a lot more mileage. Also, my hardware is Volt, mostly, and my juice is VR or MsT's.
 

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That is cool!

But ... what would be even cooler (for me anyway) would be an end cap that also worked as capacitive touch screen stylus tip, so it would work on any touch screen device (including iDevices).

Now that would be cool. :)

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Any feedback would be appreciated:

Because I keep several flavors, one per carto, and refill them as (or before) needed, I didn't have a very good idea of how many refills I was getting. So I started with a fresh blank and a full 5ml bottle, dedicated to that carto, and I find that after about 5ml, the carto performance is starting to degrade noticeably. Does this seem to match up to you guys'/gals' experience? I honestly thought my SI cartos were lasting longer than that. And BTW, I think 5ml per carto is not bad; I just am thinking that some of you are getting a lot more mileage. Also, my hardware is Volt, mostly, and my juice is VR or MsT's.

I think dark color, high VG and sweeter liquids will degrade a carto faster.
I have used about 15mg of Desert Joe in my current carto and it's still working great.
 

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Any feedback would be appreciated:

Because I keep several flavors, one per carto, and refill them as (or before) needed, I didn't have a very good idea of how many refills I was getting. So I started with a fresh blank and a full 5ml bottle, dedicated to that carto, and I find that after about 5ml, the carto performance is starting to degrade noticeably. Does this seem to match up to you guys'/gals' experience? I honestly thought my SI cartos were lasting longer than that. And BTW, I think 5ml per carto is not bad; I just am thinking that some of you are getting a lot more mileage. Also, my hardware is Volt, mostly, and my juice is VR or MsT's.

No, I easily get 20 ml or more through each. I have three seperate cartos and carry with me, 3 10 ml of juice that I fill up on Sunday night (and toss cartos every other sunday). I'm running all volt batteries. Using another battery will change the "heat" at which your juice "burns" and could lead to degridation of the cart sooner. "heat" and "burn" are the terms I use because the one's that other people use make my ears bleed.
 

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I think dark color, high VG and sweeter liquids will degrade a carto faster.
I have used about 15mg of Desert Joe in my current carto and it's still working great.

I would agree - I have a few really dark mixes from Mr. E and the cartos don't last nearly as long. I just got a shipment of samples from VaporBomb and some are crystal clear - anxious to see how long those last. I'll try to remember to report back after they steep long enough to try.
 

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Never could figure out why they call it Daylight Savings Time, it should be Daylight Changing Time......there's still the same number of daylight hours! Changed two clocks, hope to finish them before I go to bed tonight. grumble, grumble...

I have to remind myself to change my bedside clock before I go to bed tonight. :rolleyes:
 

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Any feedback would be appreciated:

Because I keep several flavors, one per carto, and refill them as (or before) needed, I didn't have a very good idea of how many refills I was getting. So I started with a fresh blank and a full 5ml bottle, dedicated to that carto, and I find that after about 5ml, the carto performance is starting to degrade noticeably. Does this seem to match up to you guys'/gals' experience? I honestly thought my SI cartos were lasting longer than that. And BTW, I think 5ml per carto is not bad; I just am thinking that some of you are getting a lot more mileage. Also, my hardware is Volt, mostly, and my juice is VR or MsT's.

I've noticed that my cartos last longer if I stick with the SI juice. My one bottle of Gourmet Vapor juice tends to clog the cartos faster.
 

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Thanks! And, just to let you know, I found out something really interesting just after suggesting the stylus tip thing.

I was messing around with one of my eGo batteries and found that while it is ungainly at its current .5" diameter, the bottom of that battery actually works as a stylus on my iPhone already with no modification! So, I know this can work!

Sorry, Imma let you finish reading, but I gots to go look up some DIY iPhone stylus instructions on the interwebs and see how hard it would be to build a proof-of-concept for this. ... (!)
 

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... and I find that after about 5ml, the carto performance is starting to degrade noticeably. Does this seem to match up to you guys'/gals' experience?

As others have mentioned, the nicquids you use can mean everything when it comes to cartomizer life. A couple of examples from extreme ends of the scale:

I've been loving me some fruity nicquids lately -- watermelon, honeydew, melon explosion -- and have been using all three of those in unmodified cartos and some tanks lately. All of those cartomizers have been lasting quite literally for over two weeks of use with multiple refills per day. All of these nicquids are pretty much 80/20 or 70/30 PG/VG and are relatively thin and clear.

Conversely I recently reviewed some wonderful-tasting natural extracted tobacco nicquids and taken as they came, I was very lucky to get two to four refills out of a cartomizer before the draw became tight and the taste became "off" (or worse). Because these nicquids were extracted from real tobacco they contain a high amount of particulates / suspended solids (despite at least three to four stages of filtering) which I strongly suspect serve to clog up the fill material and build up on the coil, drastically affecting the cartomizer's performance. This problem affected every cartomizer I tried included our beloved Volt cartos.

Unfortunately, neither color nor thickness is necessarily a good way to tell whether a nicquid is going to be problematic. I've had darker, thicker nicquids (in particular, a nice Irish Cream that I tried) that seemed to last almost as long as those fruity ones, while some of the problematic tobacco nicquids mentioned above are a light, transparent blonde color and not really all that thick. It is the actual flavorings that are most likely determine whether the nicquid is a carto-killer or not.

For those nicquids that do degrade cartomizers quickly, it may be possible to make them less damaging. The particulate density can be reduced by thinning them with some straight PG and/or perhaps a bit of PGA or vodka, provided that the flavor is strong enough to be satisfying when thinned this way. With the tobacco nicquids above, this allowed me to get the nicquids working well about 1.5x to 2x as long as they did "as-is".

As others have suggested, it is a very good practice to dedicate one cartomizer to a new nicquid and if it is not the only flavor you vape over day or few, keep track of refills before performance drops off. If it goes a long way, great; if not, consider whether the taste is good enough to be worth your time and if so experiment further with thinning to see if you can make it last a bit longer. You might also consider getting in polite touch with the vendor and presenting them with your experience; if they value you as a customer they should be up-front about the ingredients, let you know if they or others have had the same experience and whether they are looking into different flavorings, filtering methods, etc.

Hope this helps!
 

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Vapian--Thank you so much for the detailed response.
I think part of my bemusement is due to the fact that I was walking around thinking that most of my juices were carto-benign. I will continue my "research". I have yet to have one start drawing hard, they just start to taste bland--and if I keep pushing it, I notice that I can fit less and less juice in after I begin to detect those subtle "needs re-filling" symptoms.
Thanks everyone, and I'd still like to hear from more folks that use Vermillion River juices.
 

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..., they just start to taste bland--and if I keep pushing it, I notice that I can fit less and less juice in after I begin to detect those subtle "needs re-filling" symptoms...

I've had that experience with every juice/carto combo I've ever tried. That's the sign I look for that they've served their purpose and it's time for a fresh one. Top offs get closer and closer, and there's no improvement in the vape - still tastes "dry", but looks "wet".
 

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Just to add, I have found that at times when the draw seems weak it can be due to overzealous topping off. By lightly blowing through the fill part of the cart into a paper towel excess liquid comes out, clean and retry. Most of the time the draw comes back. When this happens I usually give the cart a few days to see if it still operates well if not it is time to pitch it.
 

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Carto's can flood just like an atty can. If there is too much liquid at the coil (depending on the style) it will not get hot enough to produce alot of vapor. sometimes putting a weak carto (that you are sure is filled) on your PV and rapidly chuffing it a few times will dry out the coil and return them to life.
Just to add, I have found that at times when the draw seems weak it can be due to overzealous topping off. By lightly blowing through the fill part of the cart into a paper towel excess liquid comes out, clean and retry. Most of the time the draw comes back. When this happens I usually give the cart a few days to see if it still operates well if not it is time to pitch it.
 

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I havent posted in a while! How is everyone?

I got my kit two weeks ago. All I can say is woooooow! Amaaaazing product!!!
Ive been puffing on my classic grape and RY4s <3 Got vanilla too, amazing flavor and bought ry4 juice and classic grape and ice menthol!

Love you smokeless image!! Such a fantastic/high quality company.Im gonna do a youtube video review today/tomorrow ;)
 
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