Official update post for PIF
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That was exactly my thought while reading all these posts. I think Blaze would make a fine co-mod as would others who have offered. I really don't want a vote. I'd like to see people who genuinely want to do it, say just that! 'I would like to help'. No sense spending all this time nominating people who don't want to do it.
So here's a suggestion: Co- mods. As long as they remember that this is a group and we all have an interest here, everything should be ok.
In order not to overwhelm one person, there could be a sign in thread letting us know which mod is available if there is a problem. Just click the last page and see who is on. Or they could stay visible in one particular thread so we would know who to contact in case of an issue.
If there is an immediate problem that they don't know how to handle, it can be tabled until clearer minds prevail. Jules was making decisions and then posting apologies (about how she should have looked into it more) before she quit. ECF seems to run ok with many mods. Several on one forum. Why can't this one? If no one wants the 'power' this should work.
My 2 cents on PIF thread. Even in the movie, the first pifer got nothing but everyone after that, did. I personally don't take things I don't need or like (I know many others who let great offers pass, too because they don't need it). But the thing I like best is that ANYONE can participate no matter what they have. Check out today's posts. Giveaways/add ons. I love it. It is fun to watch and see who will step up and add to the next one. Sometimes it's me.
Most times it's not. I wish I had more but I know I have helped some people and all I can do.The swap/what do you need/garage sale threads serve a purpose, too. Most of us have something to give or need, so rather than ask for it, we offer a trade. It's not the classifieds. No one asks for money and everyone has something they want/need that can usually be traded for. I have only had one trade not go through because the person thought I didn't offer enough.
Once the mods are decided, can we all be friends again? I don't want to feel like the stepchild anymore! I want my cookie
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All I have to say is this:
We are Adults. Why are we having so many problems guys? Hell, Im 23 years old.. I know I have to be the baby of the group lol.
I wouldn't change ANYTHING about this forum. It all works. A few aholes came along, and now they (should) be gone. The only thing I never cared for was co-ops, but I have no money so why would I lol. I wouldn't do away with co-ops, but maybe only run one ONCE a month, and let a well known, trusted person who is willing run them. Just keep things simple guys, come on.
As for all the drama and bad seeds, take it behind the scenes. If theres posts on here about it, delete them. Lets keep it to where the drama is no longer visiable. I have made alot of really good friends on here, but frankly I'm pretty good at "tuning" stuff out. Nonsense stuff anyways. I don't know.. thats just whats going through my head right now.
We are Adults. Why are we having so many problems guys? Hell, Im 23 years old.. I know I have to be the baby of the group lol.
I wouldn't change ANYTHING about this forum. It all works. A few aholes came along, and now they (should) be gone. The only thing I never cared for was co-ops, but I have no money so why would I lol. I wouldn't do away with co-ops, but maybe only run one ONCE a month, and let a well known, trusted person who is willing run them. Just keep things simple guys, come on.
As for all the drama and bad seeds, take it behind the scenes. If theres posts on here about it, delete them. Lets keep it to where the drama is no longer visiable. I have made alot of really good friends on here, but frankly I'm pretty good at "tuning" stuff out. Nonsense stuff anyways. I don't know.. thats just whats going through my head right now.
Wanted to quote this because it is excellent advice. I would add that even though a person may be caring and generous and all-around awesome does not mean they have the qualities necessary for moderating. In fact, those very qualities would be more likely to make them inadequate for the task. What is needed is a cool, level head and objectivity.
Also I'd like to throw this out there for consideration...I notice that many have links to the PIF folder in their sigs encouraging others to come. I found this folder on my own but I assume there's been a significant increase in participants since the original however many who started it? A sudden increase in folks who were not part of the inception - who don't have the background of what went into starting PIF (and that includes me) - will naturally change the dynamics of the group. It's unavoidable. In my opinion, having seen the same thing happen on many other forums, these are growing pains.
In my experience, throwing decisions out for the whole group to make is unfruitful. In just the recent 'crisis' we saw that half of us weren't worried about being taken advantage of while the other half of us were torqued that their friends would be taken advantage of. Fundamental differences in outlook and no way to come to consensus. There needs to be an administrator or moderator who makes the final decision. And who can take the backlash that will inevitably happen without taking it personally.
I had left the group because I don't need to cause myself or others trouble by being here. But I was still concerned because I really love the idea and the atmosphere that (for the most part) prevails here. I like the smaller community feel here as opposed to the whole forums. So I kept reading. I'm distressed that so many are SO upset. Really, the bottom line is that the folder will change...there's no way to stop that unless you kick all of us who weren't part of the original group out. The dynamics are going to change. All anyone can do is make it what each one personally wants it to be for themselves. If co-ops (or whatever) bother you, ignore them and just participate in the threads that make this the place *you* want to come to as soon as you sign on.
No offense.
I've been thinking about this post all morning...
I went into my garden and got my zen spot........and got thinking.
We all are in need of a place where we feel that we belong.
Call it a "cligue", call it whatever, but we all find this place. Need this place.
It defines who we are, and the people that surround us to define the given. It is what it is.
A true 'Pay it forward' is when you do something for someone without expecting anything in return so no expectations on what they will then do with it or for others, just out of the goodness of one's heart.
well spoken and oh so true.... but, given the human condition, regardless of the good intent, the inevitable it bound to happen, regardless.
You can please some of the people sometimes, but you cant please all of the people all of the time.
Not defending, just observing...the co-ops were well intentioned, but as mentioned above, well it was bound to happen.
I hate to say it, but sometimes its best not to do too much -
exactly that...they're coming out with a new juice...and sending free samples of it out...you pay like $2 for the shpping though..
Is there anything we can do to make this happen????I want GoodDog back too
Like I said when I first posted...."it may not be a popular or well recieved statement"
But I do think that we need to examine where things went wrong... Being that Jules wasn't saying we're left to speculate...
Putting two and two together from several several posts....here's what I saw go down..
first we possibly saw a few occasions of PIF as a "bad juice" dumping ground...so a rule had to be made...
Then someone took advantage and wasn't honoring trades...
and someone was trading on PIF and then selling the stuff in the classifieds..
Jules gets a ton of PMs about it and catches crap about it...she tries to step in and fix it and makes a new rule....
and catches crap from others about that too....
Somewhere in here she says that it's making her cry and if her hubby catches it he'll probably make her pull back because of the stress it causes....
And yet it continued...not only continues but ramps up...
IT gets taken to the ECF mods and they have to step in...
and that pisses people off...
and she starts hitting (I believe I heard the quote of) 800 PMs in a day...
in addition she was working on getting the HG co-op sorted packed and mailed out...
that is/was more physically stressful for her than she thought...
and she had to depend on one of her sons to do the PO run for her...
instead of being understanding and compationate (knowing full well going in what the situation is/was).... the harping started publicly... "I see other people got thier stuff but I didn't get mine yet what's going on", "I didn't get everything", "I got the # of items I ordered but some of it's wrong"...remember her sons were helping her pack everything up...mistakes happen and it could have been handled more quietly and with more tact..
christ even with the gift...that turned into a cluster...
no one could agree on anything...
and some upset user in this group told her about that thread elsewhere...so she joins and reads everything going on there too...
and the suggestions there that were excellent but shot down because of her health...
hell I'd be upset too...sneaking around behind the back...and trying to lead as normal and active life as possible...overcome the adversity facing you...and here are a bunch of people saying "no she can't do that"...well who really knows that beside her?...
....when in really anyone who truely reads and pays attention knows that yes her and her hubby still do ride somewhat...christ they're going to a rally next weekend...
Anyway...more than likely true to word...hubby saw how much stress and unhappyness all of this all together was causing her and pulled the plug...
She's a strong, proud woman with more intestinal fortitude than most people can muster...and truely just wants to help people.....and we as a group were systematically robbing her of that...
other have left and others have left and come back guarded....
The point is...where did we go wrong....are we going to stand up and take responsibility for it?...
Yeah I see the PIF specific thread as a point of contention....it's funny to see how it changes when crap happens in the group dynamic though...but it's become something different than it's original intent and I remain convinced not PIF in it's truest sense...and the basis for several problems that have happened within the social group dynamic...
I'm not power struggling or trying to cause problems...I wouldn't want to mod such a group...or drastically change things...what I'm saying is that if what this has become is driving original members away then it should be examined and brought back to original intent and vision... and if bringing it back into line of the original intent changes drastically what it's become...then maybe that's what needs to happen...
But I do think that we need to examine where things went wrong... Being that Jules wasn't saying we're left to speculate...
Putting two and two together from several several posts....here's what I saw go down..
first we possibly saw a few occasions of PIF as a "bad juice" dumping ground...so a rule had to be made...
Then someone took advantage and wasn't honoring trades...
and someone was trading on PIF and then selling the stuff in the classifieds..
Jules gets a ton of PMs about it and catches crap about it...she tries to step in and fix it and makes a new rule....
and catches crap from others about that too....
Somewhere in here she says that it's making her cry and if her hubby catches it he'll probably make her pull back because of the stress it causes....
And yet it continued...not only continues but ramps up...
IT gets taken to the ECF mods and they have to step in...
and that pisses people off...
and she starts hitting (I believe I heard the quote of) 800 PMs in a day...
in addition she was working on getting the HG co-op sorted packed and mailed out...
that is/was more physically stressful for her than she thought...
and she had to depend on one of her sons to do the PO run for her...
instead of being understanding and compationate (knowing full well going in what the situation is/was).... the harping started publicly... "I see other people got thier stuff but I didn't get mine yet what's going on", "I didn't get everything", "I got the # of items I ordered but some of it's wrong"...remember her sons were helping her pack everything up...mistakes happen and it could have been handled more quietly and with more tact..
christ even with the gift...that turned into a cluster...
no one could agree on anything...
and some upset user in this group told her about that thread elsewhere...so she joins and reads everything going on there too...
and the suggestions there that were excellent but shot down because of her health...
hell I'd be upset too...sneaking around behind the back...and trying to lead as normal and active life as possible...overcome the adversity facing you...and here are a bunch of people saying "no she can't do that"...well who really knows that beside her?...
....when in really anyone who truely reads and pays attention knows that yes her and her hubby still do ride somewhat...christ they're going to a rally next weekend...
Anyway...more than likely true to word...hubby saw how much stress and unhappyness all of this all together was causing her and pulled the plug...
She's a strong, proud woman with more intestinal fortitude than most people can muster...and truely just wants to help people.....and we as a group were systematically robbing her of that...
other have left and others have left and come back guarded....
The point is...where did we go wrong....are we going to stand up and take responsibility for it?...
Yeah I see the PIF specific thread as a point of contention....it's funny to see how it changes when crap happens in the group dynamic though...but it's become something different than it's original intent and I remain convinced not PIF in it's truest sense...and the basis for several problems that have happened within the social group dynamic...
I'm not power struggling or trying to cause problems...I wouldn't want to mod such a group...or drastically change things...what I'm saying is that if what this has become is driving original members away then it should be examined and brought back to original intent and vision... and if bringing it back into line of the original intent changes drastically what it's become...then maybe that's what needs to happen...
You aren't even close on your speculations, drozd. Why do you need to create more confusion by going through all the posts and guessing at what happened? Nothing was taken to the mods! Let it die down.
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I couldn't stand to read some of these posts any more! Yes, since Neph is back I also am back and PIF will move forward!
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