Oh my goodness, Provape is no more!

[WillyZee]

Provape ignored Market vagaries & paid the price.
Please excuse as i enjoy my HohmSlice..

I tend to look at it differently ... ProVape refused to bow to the crooked FDA and retired instead.

Has Hohmslice submitted any PMTAs yet?

 

[Kasanova]

I'm just surprised it took them this long to close down. Don't get me wrong, I use to be a huge provape fan boy. But when they refused to evolve with the times, I had no choice but to move on. Blaming the FDA for their failure is just childish. It is a shame, they were a great company but made the wrong decisions in the name of SAFETY.

 

[Robino1]

I cannot even start to blame a company for putting safety first. They had their business model and they had the right to stick to that business model. There were other companies that went into a different direction and for a while, there were enough vapers to make all the companies money.

The new vaper pool is drying up. How many people have you come into contact with that states that they heard that vaping is worse than smoking? We are bombarded with misinformation and outright lies.

I don't blame the smokers. I know exactly where to place the blame. And it sure as hell is not on a company that tried to make a product that would help smokers quit smoking.

 

[daviedog]

I tend to look at it differently ... ProVape refused to bow to the crooked FDA and retired instead.

Has Hohmslice submitted any PMTAs yet?

Good question, IDK,, think I'll order another to be safe..

 

[Ed_C]

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Timing of closing was wrong to blame it completely on FDA. So, I suspect, they folded because of shrinking market.

I also wonder, if the fact that ProVape decided to not follow the trends was, at least, a contributing factor. I'm not slamming them for it, but I do think they gave up market share because of their choice.

That and the fact that they can no longer even try to compete. When your hands are tied and you cannot make NEW products, your basically screwed. Even if they came up with an idea that might be competitive, they cannot bring it to market. No New devices allowed, per the FDA.

So yes, it is because of the FDA. It can be laid right on their doorstep.

This brings me to something that I'm not clear about. When the date came and went and there were still new products on the market. People were speculating that these products must have been pre-released in small numbers to get around the ban on new products. Now months later there's still a flood of new products. Is the FDA just not monitoring new products that are being released in the US or what?

 

[oplholik]

I think the "flood" is coming from China. We aren't the only ones they sell to.

 

[oplholik]

I'm just surprised it took them this long to close down. Don't get me wrong, I use to be a huge provape fan boy. But when they refused to evolve with the times, I had no choice but to move on. Blaming the FDA for their failure is just childish. It is a shame, they were a great company but made the wrong decisions in the name of SAFETY.

I didn't realize there were "wrong" decisions when it comes to safety.

 

[Ed_C]

I think the "flood" is coming from China. We aren't the only ones they sell to.

I agree, but wasn't the deal that no new products can be "released" in the US? I don't think it was just "manufactured" in the US.

If this was just about manufacturing in the US, we could just continue to buy products from other countries and there wouldn't be an issue, except for US manufacturers.

 

[Alien Traveler]

I didn't realize there were "wrong" decisions when it comes to safety.

But what "safety" are you talking about?
What safety features provari has that other mods don't?
As far as I understand it was all about customer service and quality.

 

[WillyZee]

Good question, IDK,, think I'll order another to be safe..

I would if I were you ... the advantage we had, ProVape gave everyone a heads up that they were not going to play stupid FDA games ... we knew what was coming.

another factor to consider ... how long has Hohmslice been around? Are there tons of 5 year old Hohmslice devices still working like brand new?

We know ProVaris were built to last many many years.

 

[Bad Ninja]

ProVape has always been about safety and simply quitting smoking ... the big clouds hobby direction the industry went was never their intention.


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Then they should have opened a charity.

A business has one sole purpose:
To build profit for its investors.
Period.

Someone should have taken a business class.

Saving lives is a noble gesture, but a business tasked with putting charity first will fall short of its sole purpose for existing, and eventually fail.


The vape scene is filled with poor business models and failed ventures.

 

[Alien Traveler]

Saving lives is a noble gesture, but a business tasked with putting charity first

Charity? With their prices?

 

[Ed_C]

Then they should have opened a charity.

A business has one sole purpose:
To build profit for its investors.
Period.

Not necessarily true. While staying profitable is always necessary (unless you're looking for a tax write off), people can have all sorts of motivations for operating a business outside of maximizing profits.

 

[Train2]

Provape didn't become irrelevant to everybody - just to people who wanted 100 watts.
Did they LIMIT their market? -- definitely. But that was intentional, and not suicidal.

But they didn't go out of business because no one would buy the product - they went out of business because the regulations make it impossible to develop new products, and doomed the vape-shop distributors that account for most of their sales.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Not necessarily true. While staying profitable is always necessary (unless you're looking for a tax write off), people can have all sorts of motivations for operating a business outside of maximizing profits.

Dont take this the wrong way but you have obviously never attended a business class.

The only reason to create a for profit business is to generate profit. That is why businesses are created in the first place.

Otherwise its a "not for profit" or "non profit", which is a charity.

As a retired business owner I speak from real world experience and a knowledge of how to operate a successful business.

 

[Kasanova]

I didn't realize there were "wrong" decisions when it comes to safety.

There is when your products are so safe that you only limit 9.5 amps to be pulled from a 15-20 amp battery. That radius could have been so much more.

 

[ppeeble]

No quality control?
I use only Chinese mods. Not a single one failed in my almost 3 years of vaping.
I am sorry for ProVape, they had their followers, but today they were mostly irrelevant.

Then i am pleased for you. I have had 3 Segelei mods, a Kanger mod, an ipv mod and countless '$25' mods stop working for no discernable reason. They are mass produced factory products and designed for quick obsolecence.
Denying this is not rational.
Provape spent a lot of time in ensuring that the mods they produced were of exceptional quality, accuracy and durability. Perhaps if they had have changed their parameters they would still be with us. As just another mediocre manufacturer.......

 

[Hitcat44]

Speaking of Zealots ......

and,,,, Right on Cue from Left-Field

As exacerbating, sad, mournful, and unfortunate as the News itself is the inevitable and imbecilic "Hater-Hijack".

But hey,,, Axe-Grinders gonna Grind (even at Wakes) I guess


***Not Provarinatti (sp?) but paying my Respects, out of Respect, with Respect, as a Respectful Person does.....

 

[beckdg]

Interestingly, the one store in OZ that is loaded with provari stock ready to ship, is the one about 40 min drive from me.. At premium prices of course.. They even have a gold P3 and a gold procyon, as well as the blue with carbon trim on the radius, which is very sexy. Anyway, I digress.. the point i was going to make was, i wonder how stores that have invested in them so heavily will react? Obviously they will all be as surprised as us.. In a month, not even the fimrware will be available for download anymore.. The warranty is basically now zero.. so what are all these stores here, the US, UK, etc, going to do with all this stock? They will have to offer some sort of warranty of their own, for example. I mean they invested in a brand they thought would stick around and a brand that was renowned for quality. I guess that's the one good thing about the quality control at provape, at least if someone still buys one of the remaining stock, they will likely get something that will work properly.

But who would pay $300 AUD now (for example) for a mod that has not only been discontinued, but the parent company has ceased to operate? And people DID pay the money here for them, cause there were always plenty of colour combos out of stock over the years. I think you'd have to be kind of mad to drop that sort of coin on one now.

Lastly, I kind of don't get it. I need a brushing up on the FDA challenges. All this time I thought the regulations were about nicotine and juice. Obviously it's about devices as well. Any way to give me a very brief rundown on why you think provape were so affected by this? Also i have seen the date August 2018 said here a couple of times, and I am still not sure what is happening then, nor does a google search shed light on that........

Their mods no longer flip like hot cakes @ $200+ ea..

Regs keep them from creating a solution to that. No new mods.

WA state regs choke their sales in their own state.

Their loyalty are dwindling in number.

They're getting out with the profits they have and the shirts on their backs.

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

Charity? With their prices?

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Tapatyped