Well, I don't like pee in my corn flakes, but if you're concerned, why do you vape at all? Yes, using propylene glycol in inhalers DOES prove something, other wise, the FDA would not allow it.
Oh.so it's NOT dangerous?!
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This is a re-post of what I put on another thread.
Okay, we don't know and we cannot prove it is safe. However, here are three articles I found in a relatively short time about studies on the effects of PG vapors.
http://www.canadavapes.com/health/propylene-glycol-safety.html
http://esmokesaloon.com/esmoke-revi...mic-effects-of-high-doses-of-propylene-glycol
http://www.world-vaping-day.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Information-For-Health-Professionals.pdf
I glanced through the studies and the work is sound. The first one is a large sample size where extremely high levels of PG were used for exposure (50-700 times normal saturation levels). The second link provides info from multiple studies. While this does not prove the safety of PG, it does lend significant evidence to the safety of PG when inhaled as vapor.
I ask this question, what substance can anyone prove the safety of? There is no significant evidence to support that PG is harmful (other than allergic reaction) when used as vapor in the quantities expected from use of e-cigarettes.
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OMG EddardinWinter. That is way to funny to be taken serious. But my flux capacitor broke down today so I can't even get to 88 mph.
Sorry Robino1 but at work they call me "tim the tool man" hey TNT56 has to start somewhere don't it. And the best part of the tnt isn't a vapor or smoker. Just a Beautiful Woman that I love more than life. Whoops mistiy eyes for a bit. sorry. I do love that little turd. And If I want her to know I said that I'll tell her. LOL.
Just like it will cause pnumonia. sorry for spelling. And if you vape I bet your kids will be born naked and crying. And you might get the urge to push baby ducks in the river. I've been through this argument way to many times. I'll refer to CASAA material. You can google so then do it.
If FDA Approval track record is any indicator of the ACTUAL safety of a chemical, then we should all run for our lives AWAY from PG.
They approved Chantix, Thimerosal, and Thalidomide.
All that said, I'm going to continue ordering and vaping 30/70 juice, because I LOVE the big clouds of vapor that 30% PG gives...
Not to poop in anyone's oatmeal, but answering honest concerns expressed with irritable sarcasm is just hardly ever seen in here; it's an incredibly friendly, supportive and helpful forum. Thanks to those who answered that person's comment respectfully, with links and etc.
Hope it stays that way.
Peace and love, etc.,
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It's true that oral consumption of a product is not comparable to inhalation. You can drink water safely, but you can't breathe it, lol!
However, the ANTZ claim that there are no studies or known facts regarding inhalation of propylene glycol is simply not true. There are 1930's (or 1940's) studies available that were done on rats exposed to high concentrations and showed no adverse affects. The MSDS of PG usually calls it a "known respiratory irritant," (as ANTZ love to point out) but so are onions and hot peppers.
A 2011 study stated "Overall, these studies allowed us to conclude that PG aerosol generated with the capillary aerosol generator could be administered safely in man." Non-clinical safety and pharmacokinetic evaluatio... [Toxicology. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI
A 1990 report stated "No gross pathological or histopathological effects were seen in the lungs or respiratory tracts of rats and mice...exposed to 3000 PGME for 2 weeks. A 13-weeks study with rats and rabbits exposed to 300, 1000 and 3000 ppm was also negative." http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/91-103/pdfs/91-103.pdf This paper also showed human studies which proved that PG can be an irritant to the eyes, nose and throat in high concentrations, but the effects wore off quickly after exposure ended. We generally experience that effect as "dry mouth and throat."
Hope that helps.
However, the ANTZ claim that there are no studies or known facts regarding inhalation of propylene glycol is simply not true. There are 1930's (or 1940's) studies available that were done on rats exposed to high concentrations and showed no adverse affects. The MSDS of PG usually calls it a "known respiratory irritant," (as ANTZ love to point out) but so are onions and hot peppers.
A 2011 study stated "Overall, these studies allowed us to conclude that PG aerosol generated with the capillary aerosol generator could be administered safely in man." Non-clinical safety and pharmacokinetic evaluatio... [Toxicology. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI
A 1990 report stated "No gross pathological or histopathological effects were seen in the lungs or respiratory tracts of rats and mice...exposed to 3000 PGME for 2 weeks. A 13-weeks study with rats and rabbits exposed to 300, 1000 and 3000 ppm was also negative." http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/91-103/pdfs/91-103.pdf This paper also showed human studies which proved that PG can be an irritant to the eyes, nose and throat in high concentrations, but the effects wore off quickly after exposure ended. We generally experience that effect as "dry mouth and throat."
Hope that helps.
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You just put a rather twisted thought in my head
Make them vape blank PG for a while, then have them vape some jalapeno juice, then ask which one was worse
I apologize if any of my earlier comments offended anyone. It was not my intention
I sure wish there was more Study Data on Flavorings, Sweeteners, Colorants, Silica Fibers and NiChrome wire.
It would be nice if they all receive the same Clean Bill of Health as PG does from some of the studies Posted here.
It would be nice if they all receive the same Clean Bill of Health as PG does from some of the studies Posted here.
I worked in a stone quarry for nearly 3 years and proper dust masks weren't really introduced until my 2nd year.
Most of my coworkers had been there 5+ years before I joined up and they all had to put up with sub-par dust masks.
There were times I was in a cloud of stone dust so thick that you couldn't see more than 50ft. The driller spent most of the 60+ hour work week in a cloud of that same, fine dust.
That dust went down to the nano scale, it was hazardous, and in a single year we all probably inhaled enough of that to equate to 50 years of massively chain-vaping off of silica wicks
So, in my opinion, the danger of silica fibers from PVs is not a major issue, especially in comparison to regular cigarettes
Most of my coworkers had been there 5+ years before I joined up and they all had to put up with sub-par dust masks.
There were times I was in a cloud of stone dust so thick that you couldn't see more than 50ft. The driller spent most of the 60+ hour work week in a cloud of that same, fine dust.
That dust went down to the nano scale, it was hazardous, and in a single year we all probably inhaled enough of that to equate to 50 years of massively chain-vaping off of silica wicks
So, in my opinion, the danger of silica fibers from PVs is not a major issue, especially in comparison to regular cigarettes
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