Oh wow... I have issues...

[lost.n.disturbed88]

This is a sincere post, I am not kidding...

So after re-entering the vaping world, and intending to stick with it, as new products have made it easier to switch, and with me being a pessimist, when government and its affiliates are involved, and seeing things that threaten vaping as we know it, I put together a stockpiling/hoarding list... With enough parts to last me for YEARS (Not counting juice)... I hope...

Did I miss anything?

6 VV grippers
2 provaris
5 spinners (I would still like options!!!)
Rechargeable Batteries (They die eventually... :s )
1,000+ml of juice, assorted flavors (To last until I can make my own...)
7 VN sets with extra tanks and heads (150 heads, 10 tanks)
Some spare cones and adapters
VN rebuilding supplies


The total cost I estimated was around $1,600.00
My cost of cigarettes a year was around $2,655.33

Is there anything I should add as a just in case, or am I going way too overboard? As far as preparing for a real ban, or juices becoming just as bad or worse than cigarettes...

No, I'm not kidding, and would appreciate only serious answers... Are there things I should add or remove? I just want to make sure if the poo hits the fan, I won't need to resort to regular cigarettes again... Or "contaminated" juices...

 

[yzer]

The weak link in your logistics chain will always be the juice. Maximum hoard storage time will be two years unless you have a power supply for the freezer in the fallout/zombie shelter. I believe the shelf life for unused rechargeable Li-ion batteries is 10 years.

 

[vsummer1]

I wouldn't get 6 VV Grippers. Right now I love mine, but who knows they may fix the issue with the battery cover.

What you SHOULD include is a mechanical mod. No electronics to break. Also, learn to rebuild atty's, then you can buy mesh and wire on the cheap and they won't be banned. I don't care for the vivi novas as you can see from my banner, I would get a few of the chinese clones to start with and practice with those.

I would be more inclined to buy the liter of nic since it can be stored in the freezer with no expiration date and the premade has a shelf life of about a year? They can't ban PG or VG (and VG can be bought at CVS) or the flavorings since they are used in food. Then you can just learn to DIY while you are buying the juice as you need it. When/if the day comes the taxes or banns make it too pricey, you are set up for a long time.

 

[vsummer1]

The weak link in your logistics chain will always be the juice. Maximum hoard storage time will be two years unless you have a power supply for the freezer in the fallout/zombie shelter. I believe the shelf life for unused rechargeable Li-ion batteries is 10 years.

LOL, but if the nic is in the freezer and there is only a tax / ban it will store for years and years. And a little 100 mg/ml goes a LONG way.

Batteries can always be bought, they are used in flashlights.

 

[yzer]

I doubt e-cigs will be banned. The FDA will regulate them as a tobacco product.

 

[lost.n.disturbed88]

Even then, what does the future of juices hold? I do want to start making my own, but I would need to see it done in person to do so, probably... And what regulations could be put in place for PVs?

 

[donnah]

yea.. if you're really into doomsday prepping.. you'd need to learn to diy your juice. Stock up on liquid nic. If it were me, I'd forget the grippers and spinners and just get a couple more provari's (but that's ME)

If you need to see e-juice being made.. there's lots of videos on youtube. It's pretty easy. I have used the VNs and do like them but most of the time I'm too lazy to rebuild the heads and refuse to buy more premade. They are hit or miss for me. I hate spending time carefully winding my coil around some sort of wick (I've used bamboo yarn, cheesecloth and cotton balls) only to have it short out on me and I have to take it apart and start over. Plus with the grippers and spinners... if you do rebuild your stuff... do they have short protection or will a shorted VN ruin them? I only use rebuilt VNs with my provari's because if there is a short (and shorts DO happen) I just get an E1 error and I don't have to worry about ruining a device.

 

[yzer]

All of these regulations are pretty much up in the air. The FDA is obviously having more trouble coming up with the regulations then they expected. FDA is way late in their projected process.

Some common sense-based predictions? FDA will limit the nicotine strength of base liquids used for DIY. Maybe to 36 or 50 mg/ml. Appropriate sanitation and equipment requirements for the juice labs and perhaps some sort of certified training requirement for a master mixer.

For PVs? This lies outside the juristiction of the FDA. They may have to work this out with the Consumer Product Safety Commission. However, this agency is pretty much driven by reported product failures.

 

[vsummer1]

Even then, what does the future of juices hold? I do want to start making my own, but I would need to see it done in person to do so, probably... And what regulations could be put in place for PVs?

Have you ever added some chocolate to milk to make chocolate milk? Same thing. You add nic to PG/VG and flavor. You just do it on a smaller scale than chocolate milk. They have a calculator you plug in all the numbers - percent of your nicotine, what ration PG/VG you want and what percent flavoring. It spits out the amounts of each you add. Just like any other recipe, only if you work with high nic you wear gloves and be very, very careful as it is toxic. It's simple really, I assure you.

As for regulations, I agree it is the taxes on the juice that will get us. As for the PV's, who knows. I just think buying a bunch of disposable stuff is a waste when the money could be spent on a solid unit that will last you a long time, thus the mechanical.

If you do choose to go that route, I suggest you sign yourself up to be verified and get on over to the coop pages to make those purchases. It will save you a TON of money buying wholesale rather than retail.

 

[yzer]

yea.. if you're really into doomsday prepping.. you'd need to learn to diy your juice. Stock up on liquid nic. If it were me, I'd forget the grippers and spinners and just get a couple more provari's (but that's ME)

Or Smoktech E-Power 14650. Mine is still in every day use after a year of serious vaping.

 

[lost.n.disturbed88]

Any chance you can link me to said calculator? That sounds like a godsend... And ok, I will go for the verification, thank you.


No... I am not preparing for a zombie apocalypse or nuclear fallout... I have a few metal friends for the former and the latter... I guess I would develop a pretty green glow :s

 

[yzer]

Taxing nicotine e-liquid? There doesn't seem to be any precedent for this. Look at the definition of tobacco used for taxation purposes by the states and the Feds. All tobacco products that are taxed as such must contain leafy tobbaco material. That's why cigarettes, cigars, and smokeless tobacco are taxed. They contain leafy tobacco material. The nicotine used in nicotine gum or patches does not contain leafy tobacco material so it is not taxed as a tobacco product. The same tax exemption for nicotine e-liquid will continue to apply unless our legislators decide to change the law. Chances are, big pharma that produces the gum and patches won't let them do that.

 

[vsummer1]

Go to the DIY section I downloaded mine to my computer, I use this one: eJuice Me Up - Best eJuice Calculator
There are several out there. There is even an app for that

ETA: you can spend a good amount of time reading the tabs in the link above learning!

 

[yzer]

You will also need some inexpensive lab ware for DIY, like graduated cylinders, pipettes, syringes, bottles, etc. The DIY forum here at ECF is the right place to go for this info.

 

[vsummer1]

Taxing nicotine e-liquid? There doesn't seem to be any precedent for this. Look at the definition of tobacco used for taxation purposes by the states and the Feds. All tobacco products that are taxed as such must contain leafy tobbaco material. That's why cigarettes, cigars, and smokeless tobacco are taxed. They contain leafy tobacco material. The nicotine used in nicotine gum or patches does not contain leafy tobacco material so it is not taxed as a tobacco product. The same tax exemption for nicotine e-liquid will continue to apply unless our legislators decide to change the law. Chances are, big pharma that produces the gum and patches won't let them do that.

Actually, they are lumping it with tobacco for taxation. Apparently pharma DOES want that. There is some bill or some such thing, you can see the facts in the legislative section or CASAA, I am vague on the details.

 

[yzer]

Actually, they are lumping it with tobacco for taxation. Apparently pharma DOES want that. There is some bill or some such thing, you can see the facts in the legislative section or CASAA, I am vague on the details.

Any link to the actual law or proposed law would be helpful.

 

[Cookster]

I'm in full agreement of getting mechanical mods over disposables (i.e. Spinners, Grippers). Also, you might want to look at carto tanks besides the Vivis. You can punch your own cartomizers and they usually cost less than $2 a piece. And rebuildable tanks/atomizers are looking very attractive as a way to go for delivery systems.

I've been DIYing exclusively for over 10 months, the savings are immense over vendor eliquid. Come on over to the DIY forum, we love helping people. My recommended vendor for DIY is Wizard Labs. John, the owner, is absolutely great, you can call or email him with any and all questions, and he'll set you up.

A lot of us feel the same as you...

 

[lost.n.disturbed88]

Thanks for the link vsummer. Now to bury myself in the DIY section... Still looks strange, but I guess after having ingredients in front of me, it would make more sense.

And thank you both for your input.

And I am on my way, Cookster.

 

[vsummer1]

Any link to the actual law or proposed law would be helpful.

The link to the legislative section where you can read all the stuff yourself.

Legislation News

 

[kristin]

Any link to the actual law or proposed law would be helpful.

It's usually done at the state level. Hawaii tried to add a 70% tax on e-cigarettes but we stopped them. Minnesota already has a 35% tax on e-cigarette liquid/carts that was passed in 2010 by rewording its definition of tobacco in such a way that it includes most e-cigarettes. (Non-nicotine liquid would not be subject to the tax and at least one vendor claims it got an exemption based on the fact they source their nicotine from non-tobacco products such as tomatoes.) In July, Massachusetts attempted a 110% e-cig tax that didn't pass before the legislative session ended. Even smaller governments have done it - like Omaha, Nebraska's 7% tax.

Basically, once the state or municipality changes the definition of tobacco in its statutes to include e-cigarettes, adding a tobacco tax is pretty simple.