Ohio County, West Virginia to consider indoor e-cig use ban

[Placebo Effect]

E-Cigarettes May Be Banned In Ohio Co. - News Story - WTOV Steubenville

Although electronic cigarette makers tout the product as emitting an odorless vapor, local county board officials say people probably won’t be allowed to smoke them in Ohio County.

“The FDA considers them tobacco devices,” said Howard Gamble, Ohio County Administrator. “Delivery of tobacco. And so they consider them the same as cigarettes, and they're regulated as such."

. . .

He said there's an issue of possible misuse, such as people smoking other, possibly illegal, substances through the cartridges.

Wow (shakes head)

They're going to discuss the possibility of a ban on June 14th, and then open it up to public comment.

 

[Vocalek]

Hmm. Comedian Ron White’s on-stage use of a cigar (or electronic cigar?) may be what triggered Mr. Gamble’s crusade to outlaw electronic versions. Cigar At Capitol Raises A Stink - News, Sports, Jobs - The Intelligencer / Wheeling News-Register

If you have never seen Ron White's act, the cigar is basically one of his props, along with a glass of whiskey. His humor is droll. He works with Jeff Foxworthy, Bill Engvall, and Larry the Cable Guy doing the Blue Collar Comedy Tour. He also, of course, does his own stand up (or rather, sit on a stool) comedy act.

 

[Demarko]

“The FDA considers them tobacco devices,” said Howard Gamble, Ohio County Administrator. “Delivery of tobacco. And so they consider them the same as cigarettes, and they're regulated as such."

That's some very interpretive reading! So everything "tobacco" is a cigarette now, eh?

 

[Keener]

Right here in my home state. I always thought we were more open-minded than that. Go figure.

 

[rothenbj]

This isn't about open mindedness. It's about plan B of the ?non-profit?"health" associations attack. It's much more difficult to defend against a well orchestrated assault by local branches working with health departments to establish these ordinances. It's going to require a lot of E Cig activism till some science is accepted as valid by the political powers and this nonsense ceases.

 

[Vocalek]

That's some very interpretive reading! So everything "tobacco" is a cigarette now, eh?

He needs to go back to Logic 101 and refresh his knowledge of how syllogisms work.

Major Premise: All traditional cigarettes are tobacco products.
Minor Premise: All electronic imitation cigarettes are tobacco products.
Conclusion: Therefore, all electronic imitation cigarettes are traditional cigarettes.

The conclusion is potentially invalid because both traditional cigarettes and electronic imitation cigarettes are members of the same set, tobacco products.

The following syllogism has exactly the same structure:

All dogs have four legs.
All chairs have four legs.
All dogs are chairs.

 

[rothenbj]

I hate when my chair lifts its leg on my carpet.

 

[Vocalek]

Maybe you could buy yellow carpeting?

 

[Vap0rJay]

E-Cigarettes May Be Banned In Ohio Co. - News Story - WTOV Steubenville

Although electronic cigarette makers tout the product as emitting an odorless vapor, local county board officials say people probably won’t be allowed to smoke them in Ohio County.

“The FDA considers them tobacco devices,” said Howard Gamble, Ohio County Administrator. “Delivery of tobacco. And so they consider them the same as cigarettes, and they're regulated as such."

. . .

He said there's an issue of possible misuse, such as people smoking other, possibly illegal, substances through the cartridges.


Wow (shakes head)

They're going to discuss the possibility of a ban on June 14th, and then open it up to public comment.

So, rollin papers, water pipes, corn cob pipes, cigars, cigarettes themselves... should be banned because "He said there's an issue of possible misuse, such as people smoking other, possibly illegal, substances through the cartridges. " Well lets see.. I use to smoke "other substances" so I can ASSURE YOU then soba bottles, soda cans, aluminum foil, light bulbs, knives, pvp tubes, apples, and a whole bunch of other things should be baned too -- because " an issue of possible misuse, such as people smoking other, possibly illegal, substances"

Definately dirt should be banned. It can be used to grow illegal substances. Water too, damn water culture.....

 

[Atari]

Funny thing (to me at least) about this situation is that I just used an e cig in this very court house while installing a new server and network in the circuit clerks office and several court rooms, then set up software in the family court, probation office, and judges offices. The last time I was up there I was a smoker, and now that Im using e cigs 99.9% of the people I explained it to praised me for quitting. I only hope this is a one man rant that wont go far with the rest of the political leaders there

 

[antlion]

So, rollin papers, water pipes, corn cob pipes, cigars, cigarettes themselves... should be banned because "He said there's an issue of possible misuse, such as people smoking other, possibly illegal, substances through the cartridges. " Well lets see.. I use to smoke "other substances" so I can ASSURE YOU then soba bottles, soda cans, aluminum foil, light bulbs, knives, pvp tubes, apples, and a whole bunch of other things should be baned too -- because " an issue of possible misuse, such as people smoking other, possibly illegal, substances"

Definately dirt should be banned. It can be used to grow illegal substances. Water too, damn water culture.....

ROFL! Well written brother well written. Yes, I agree indeed Government YOU MUST SAVE US FROM OUR OBSESSION OF EATING CARROTS, CAKE ... CARROT CAKES!!!!11

 

[JustJulie]

Bumping this thread because comments close Sunday. Please take a moment to help out our fellow vapers in West Virginia by faxing/emailing a brief letter by Sunday, 7/17.

Here's the CASAA Call to Action with details on how you can help: CASAA.org

 

[Atari]

Bumping this thread because comments close Sunday. Please take a moment to help out our fellow vapers in West Virginia by faxing/emailing a brief letter by Sunday, 7/17.

Here's the CASAA Call to Action with details on how you can help: CASAA.org

thank you soooo much

 

[Vocalek]

Atari: They will meet on this on Tuesday at noon. Could you possibly go in person to tell your story? It could make a big difference if they hear from people with first-hand experience in using the products, as opposed to only hearing unfounded fears being pedaled by the health department staff.

 

[Atari]

I will actually be in another county for work, but I am having trouble finding documentation to send them about the facts that the FDAs original test are dated, and were only on Chinese manufactures. I need current but yet slightly impartial results, about US vendors. I know there were recent test in VA and Boston about harm reduction and the effects on users, but I cant find anything on the "second hand" to keep people from being "scared" of e cigs. Any help would be appreciated.

 

[Atari]

Also there is a ban coming in Charleston for state employees. The have a completely wrong picture of e cigs, and that is right here in the capitol city. I could possibly sneak out of work to be present for that.

 

[JustJulie]

Atari: They will meet on this on Tuesday at noon. Could you possible go in person to tell your story? It could make a big difference if they hear from people with first-hand experience in using the products, as opposed to only hearing unfounded fears being pedaled by the health department staff.

Elaine is so right. The importance of having people show up to talk about their personal experiences and to put a face on the issue can't be underestimated. Phone calls, letters, faxes, and emails help, but they're absolutely no substitute for vapers attending these meetings and making their voices heard.

I'm working on my letter right now. And I'll make a phone call or two Monday.

 

[JustJulie]

I will actually be in another county for work, but I am having trouble finding documentation to send them about the facts that the FDAs original test are dated, and were only on Chinese manufactures. I need current but yet slightly impartial results, about US vendors. I know there were recent test in VA and Boston about harm reduction and the effects on users, but I cant find anything on the "second hand" to keep people from being "scared" of e cigs. Any help would be appreciated.

CASAA has tons of information on its site. This link to resources should provide you with pretty much all that you need: CASAA.org

 

[Atari]

Also, I couldnt find any call to action for this Kanawha County might ban e-cigarettes   - News - The Charleston Gazette - West Virginia News and Sports - could you list this as a call to action?

 

[Vocalek]

It isn't a question of the test results being dated or a question of the Chinese manufacturers. The problem is that the FDA misrepresented the results that they found. The FDA talked about "carcinogens" being found, to mislead the public. The truth is that the same chemicals, Tobacco Specific Nitrosamines (TSNAs) are found in FDA-approved nicotine products. The quantity in a 16 mg cartridge is 8 nanograms/gram - which is the same quantity in an FDA-approved nicotine patch. Also, the FDA chose to characterize a harmless quantity of Diethylene Glycol they found as an ingredient in antifreeze that can be highly toxic. Sure it can, in very high amounts. The flouride in your toothpaste can poison you in larger quantities than you use to brush your teeth. The chlorine they use to eliminate bacteria in your drinking water is also highly toxic -- at much larger quantities.

If the FDA had found sufficient quantities of harmful chemicals in the samples they tested, I have no doubt that, in the interests of public safety, they would have lost no time pulling all the products in the USA off the shelves.

The issue we are dealing with in Ohio County is that they are trying to include a product that doesn't produce smoke in a ban onb smoking.

There are quite a few documents on the CASAA web site. I think this one might be the most effective in this particular case: http://www.casaa.org/files/E-cigarettes_and_Smoke-free_Policies.pdf

The second page contains a list of resources, with links.