ok, does using less VG make more vapor, than adding alot of VG?

[MickiO]

I was reading on one of the e-cig forums about VG, and someone said, when you use a lesser amount of Vegetable Glycercin, it will produce thicker clouds of vapor, than if you add alot, The blog said, that too much VG actually starts to thin the mix. down and will produce a thinner vapor??

EDIT: the blog said, using only 15% produces the best, and the heaviest, thickest vapor, than using say 50% or 70% VG . It was basically saying, that using more than 15% was too much,


Do you NEED to add PG to Vegetable Glycerin, to get that great thick vapor clouds?.


I'm mixing with unflavored 100mg VG, and then cutting it with more VG, and just adding a small amount of flavoring.

I'm using around 80% or 90%VG overall(depending on whether I used 10% or 20% flavoring)

If I added some PG, and used a lesser amount of VG, does that work better?



I just wondered if there is any truth to this, that mixing with less VG and cutting it down with PG, produces thicker clouds of vapor, than ugin large amounts of VG?.

 

[IKA]

You got it all wrong, VG makes thicker clouds then PG but VG is a thicker liquid so it can easily block your attys so you want to cut it, either with PG, PGA or distilled water

 

[MickiO]

I realize VG makes thicker clouds than pg, but some people say too using MUCH,
VG actually thins the vapor, and that using smaller amount of it produces thicker vapor.

EDIT: the blog said, using only 15% produces the best, and the heaviest, thickest vapor, than using say 50% or 70% VG It said using more than 15% was too much, sorry, guess I should have been more specific

 

[ejoker]

the vg juice i have (well, its marketed as all vg anyway) produces plumes of vapor.

 

[Ast_Isis]

I have discovered that the best combination for me is 30/70 VG/PG. This produces great vapor and is thick enough not to run through and flood my atty.

 

[Kurt]

Michelle, I don't know where you saw that adding more VG thins the juices, but that is wrong. Adding more thick makes more thick. There is no threshold for this. I do not use PG at all, other than the little bit that is in flavorings. My juices are VG, nic, about 10% flavor, about 20% distilled water. I get massive vapor, good TH which is only from nic, and good flavor.

There is no "best" juice recipe. Some people love a PG/VG mix. Some love a PG juice. Some, like me, prefer a VG juice. VG is thicker than PG, so more VG will make more vapor...until it is too thick to vape well, and then it will just clog and not make much vapor, but that is because it is too thick, not too thin. Juices do have to be thin enough to function well.

Hope this helps.

Also, with respect to another post you had, I would definitely look into getting a syringe for DIY mixing. Drops vary in size depending on the viscosity of the liquid, and syringes are fast, accurate and safer if you are dealing with 100 mg nic juice. Scubabatdan's e-juice calculator takes all the math thinking out of it, just enter the values of what your high-nic juice is, and %s you want of flavor and water, and amount of juice to be made, and it breaks it all down into mL of each component. Easy, fast, and reproducible.

 

[slade420]

might those huge clouds be partially due to the water vapour. water will be the first thing that is vapourized. possibly causing a clogged atomizer.

 

[Liscab]

VG by it self can hardly make vapor if it is pure you need to thinner but the vapor is thicker than PG

 

[MickiO]

Thanks guys, sorry I didn't post back sooner, I never got any e-mail notification to let me know that I had more posts on my thread. That's happened a few times this week, I had answers to my posts I didn't know about til I actually checked my threads, Just have to check my threads more often I guess, lol

Ast_Isis: When I have some PG, I'll try that, thanks.

Thanks Kurt, for the info, The article I read stated that around 15% VG made for the most densest, thickest, vapor production, in tests, and according to their experiments, the more VG was added to the mix, the less dense, and the more thin the vapor, They concluded that the more VG added over 15 to 20% max, the more it dropped.

Weird I know, just I don't have PG to experiment with, ha, so I thought I'd ask if there was any truth to it.

Thanks for all the info guys

 

[lostdaze]

IDK I have some all vg liquid from americanEliquidstore that produces more vapor than any other liquid I have.

 

[beast775]

just wondering if anyones usp glycerine says on the side -for dry skin and sore throats?

 

[Bella Chic]

Yep, mine does. But it's USP so it's all good. All USP vg can be used for dry skin and such. Hope this helps a lil.

 

[LibertyRevolution]

I find my best vapor come from 70%PG/30% VG. YMMV.

 

[Kurt]

I realize VG makes thicker clouds than pg, but some people say too using MUCH,
VG actually thins the vapor, and that using smaller amount of it produces thicker vapor.

EDIT: the blog said, using only 15% produces the best, and the heaviest, thickest vapor, than using say 50% or 70% VG It said using more than 15% was too much, sorry, guess I should have been more specific

Ah, so that's why your thinking this. Ok, makes sense now. Sorry, I disagree with those people in the article. I get massive vapor from my juices, as long as I don't thin them too much.

And BTW, pure VG will indeed vape. Done it. Its thick and you don't want to do it too often, but it certainly vapes, as in billows. I think you do need a hotter atty, though, like the 510. I could not get my carto 2-piece PV to vape with VG or VG-juices. I think the batt didn't get it hot enough or the atty just is not resistive enough.

There was a mention of water boiling off first, leaving VG behind. This is not really true. The initial vapor will be richer in water than the final vapor just before dryness, but the two are vaporizing pretty much together, but at a lower BP than just VG. I won't get into liquid-vapor pressure curves or eutectics, but because they are miscible they tend to vaporize as a mixture, although you are correct that the initial vapor will have somewhat more water than the final. Think of it as the water boiling, since the BP is not a lot above 100 C, and carrying out VG molecules with it, since they are sort of bound up with them by hydrogen bonds. Kinda like a buried bomb blows up the dirt along with the bomb materials themselves. Here the "bomb" is water, and the dirt is VG.

Hope this helps.

 

[thoqub]

Kurt,
How is that you can always explain everything so perfectly that i understand immediately???? I think you are a wizard.

 

[Kurt]

Kurt,
How is that you can always explain everything so perfectly that i understand immediately???? I think you are a wizard.

Thanks, thoqub! Good to know. I kinda do that for a living. I'm a college chemistry instructor and researcher by day. The wizardry is just a hobby...for now...

 

[77fro]

I was reading on one of the e-cig forums about VG, and someone said, when you use a lesser amount of Vegetable Glycercin, it will produce thicker clouds of vapor, than if you add alot, The blog said, that too much VG actually starts to thin the mix. down and will produce a thinner vapor??

EDIT: the blog said, using only 15% produces the best, and the heaviest, thickest vapor, than using say 50% or 70% VG . It was basically saying, that using more than 15% was too much,


Do you NEED to add PG to Vegetable Glycerin, to get that great thick vapor clouds?.


I'm mixing with unflavored 100mg VG, and then cutting it with more VG, and just adding a small amount of flavoring.

I'm using around 80% or 90%VG overall(depending on whether I used 10% or 20% flavoring)

If I added some PG, and used a lesser amount of VG, does that work better?



I just wondered if there is any truth to this, that mixing with less VG and cutting it down with PG, produces thicker clouds of vapor, than ugin large amounts of VG?.

i think 25 percet vg is the perfect amount i think to much vg can weakn or clog ur atty im gna havt to agrea with this statment and also wer did u get 100 mil nicotine juice does eny one now where to get nic in large amounts let me know

 

[Belletrist]

Thanks, thoqub! Good to know. I kinda do that for a living. I'm a college chemistry instructor and researcher by day. The wizardry is just a hobby...for now...

being able to explain things clearly really is a skill, and an undervalued one.

 

[Kurt]

being able to explain things clearly really is a skill, and an undervalued one.

Oh, it pays pretty well at times. Trying to make it pay well all the time is a bigger challenge, but I wouldn't want to do anything else, really. Teaching is all I've ever wanted to do from a child on. The hours are murder though.

 

[MickiO]

Ah, so that's why your thinking this. Ok, makes sense now. Sorry, I disagree with those people in the article. I get massive vapor from my juices, as long as I don't thin them too much.

And BTW, pure VG will indeed vape. Done it. Its thick and you don't want to do it too often, but it certainly vapes, as in billows. I think you do need a hotter atty, though, like the 510. I could not get my carto 2-piece PV to vape with VG or VG-juices. I think the batt didn't get it hot enough or the atty just is not resistive enough.

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Thanks Kurt, that makes sense. I thought I'd better ask before I mix something based on that article.



However, I did try 90% VG with 10% flavor and I get lovely "billows" of vapor with my 801 atty, and even larger and thicker cloud billows with an 801 on a CHuck! .vape heaven there, woo hoo!.


I experimented by adding a mere 4 % distilled water to this mix, and the vapor production was cut nearly in half and appears thin and "see-through", the longer you vape on it it, the thinner the vapor looks, as compared to the thick non-see-through vapor clouds produced using the 90% VG, 10 % flavoring mix, which produced vapor so thick you cannot see through it. lol. Infact, my husband uses this mix in his CHuck and whenever he takes a hit, his whole head disappears, lol.


I let him try the same mix, with 4 % water, and had the some disappointing results on the CHuck, The vapor production dimished, just as it did on my reg e-cig when I tried this, Only the vapor was cut more than half using the same atty on the Chuck and eventually dwindled down to almost nothing. To the point where he got out an new atty and went back to the 90/10 mix without the water..


(Both of us use 801 atty's from eastmall.net .No other 801 seems to perform quite as well as these, I've tried other 801's from other suppliers, and while they all produce great vapor, none quite as thick, and they don't hold liquid quite as long as these do, I can go for long periods between dripping.. These things rock!!!)