Ok, so I just bought these TFA flavors, little help?

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I just bought :Bavarian Cream Flavor, Brown Sugar Extra, Cheesecake Flavor, Cinnamon Sugar Cookie, Gingerbread Flavor, Graham Cracker (Clear), Marshmallow Flavor, Molasses Flavor, Peanut Butter Flavor, Pie Crust Flavor, Pineapple Flavor, Strawberry (Ripe) Flavor, Sweet Cream Flavor, Sweetener, Vanilla Cupcake, Vanilla Custard Flavor.

Anyone have any tasty recipes I can try?
 

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I have the link in my sig for TFA flavors that have been tested and untested...

Edit: Brown sugar, Strawberry (Ripe) Flavor, & Sweetener appear to be the only ones free of both Acetoin & Acetylpropionyl. All of the others have been tested and contain one or both of those chemicals. I'm not telling you to not use them. I'm on the fence myself as to if those are more or less toxic than some of the other chemicals used in ejuice...but I did cancel an entire order of flavors just to be on the safe side of things until I could do more research into the concerns over those 2 chemicals.

But it's not a bad idea to research the others as well ;)
 
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I think TFA is getting a bad name because they are actually testing their flavors and disclosing what's in them. To me if you want a creamy, buttery, custard taste, there is going to be one of the questionable chemicals in them.

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I think the media and to an extent us tend to pick a flavor of the month to crucify. It's like if we just get rid of this everything will be rosey. The thing is there is always going to be a risk in everything we do. Walking across the street (could get hit by a car), taking a shower (could slip and crack our head open), driving a car on the highway, etc. I'm not saying we shouldn't try to minimize unnecessary risks, but we can't overeact to everything or we will be afraid to leave our house.

I have my flame suit on and relatively thick skin, so flame away

PS When I lived in the Phoenix area we received air quality alerts quite often, guess we were supposed to hold our breath :laugh:

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I don't think they're getting a bad name as they're not trying to hide anything and are open to the consumer as to what they know. I do think it's a good thing for the community to be informed and also a good thing that folks like FlavourArt are working towards flavorings that don't contain any known harmful chemicals...whatever someone wants to inhale is a personal choice...I had rather be informed and make my own personal choices
 

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We were all smokers. You can say you don't smoke anymore but the fact is we smoked for how many years. If you vape to have a healthier life then that's ridiculous. If you truly wanted a healthy life you would not be vaping or inhaling anything other than purified air. You also would not be eating food from a store. I would be orgainc gardening and only using what I grow. There are many other alternatives to a healthy life and inhaling something other than air is not one of them. If you are going to ..... someone out over their flavor choices then you shouldn't be vaping at all. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/e-liquid-recipes/343181-tpa-tfa-recipes-only.html
 

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My point was at first it was if we get rid of diacetyl everything will be good, now it's if we get rid of acteoin and acetyl propionyl everything will be great. Do you really think after that another risk isn't going to pop up? None of these (for the most part) chemicals have been tested for safety in vaping. We live in a chemical world and along with it comes quite a few risks (not just as pertaining to vaping).

It's getting to the point that if these risks are really worrying a person, Unflavored or not vaping at all would be prudent. I just try not to overeact to every warning that pops up. I will add I've taken to unflavored recently, not bad at all. I still vape flavored as well.

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I think TFA is getting a bad name because they are actually testing their flavors and disclosing what's in them. (...)

I think the frustration with TFA is from a slightly different angle. I'd imagine that everyone is very happy they are testing and disclosing, that isn't the problem.

The problem is (at least for me), that they are a manufacturer and the continual "discovery" of new flavors containing custard notes raises a lot of questions and leads to a sense of betrayal. People have built recipes around avoiding these notes, trusting the manufacturers when they say flavoring doesn't contain them (either outright or by supposedly marking all their flavors that do contain them). How does a manufacturer not know what they put into their flavorings? How can we trust today that a flavor doesn't contain custard notes when supposedly safe flavors keep on getting indicated? Until they not only include notes saying which flavors of theirs contains custard notes, but notes saying which flavors have been tested and have been proven to not have them (and a technical explanation of their testing regimen), any flavor even remotely close in profile to known risky flavors has to be suspect.

Tangentially related, I'm curious why there's been no public evidence of vapers getting popcorn lung. There's been enough of them for long enough vaping juices that contain Diacetyl or related diketones that someone should have had enough reduced lung capacity to finger flavoring as the cause.
 

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Aside from all the warning people have told you about...... this thread has some wonderful recipes and a list of %'s to use. They also have a list of user recipes that you can down load. You can go to this thread and hit the search button for a particular flavor you have and read what comes up. There are so many great places to find recipes and after reading them for a bit, you start to think of what your tastebuds think would sound good so it is fun to experiment. I usually do a small batch first when I am playing with my flavors. It is just a bunch of fun. Good luck to you. Here are a few more places I like to look........

E-Liquid Recipes made by E-Liquid Calculator Users at EcigVape.com

E-Liquid Recipes | DIY E-Juice | e cig Liquids

EcigExpress Archive Cookbook | Your favorite e-liquid recipes

I could list a bunch of others but I don't want you to think I am obsessed. :laugh:

Have fun.
 

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I am in no way bashing TFA. I have utmost respect for Linda spending the money and time to get these flavors tested so we that vape can make an informed decission. Agreed, we didn't think about the damage we were doing when we smoked cigs( maybe we did but didn't care)... Speaking for myself. As far as vaping being safe, I know it probably isn't but it's got to be safer than cigs and I just want to vape as safe as I can. Will I quit using TFA... No... but I will quit using their custardy flavors. YMMV, everything is subjective and all that stuff.. lol! That is all, vape on!!
 

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I just bought :Bavarian Cream Flavor, Brown Sugar Extra, Cheesecake Flavor, Cinnamon Sugar Cookie, Gingerbread Flavor, Graham Cracker (Clear), Marshmallow Flavor, Molasses Flavor, Peanut Butter Flavor, Pie Crust Flavor, Pineapple Flavor, Strawberry (Ripe) Flavor, Sweet Cream Flavor, Sweetener, Vanilla Cupcake, Vanilla Custard Flavor.

Anyone have any tasty recipes I can try?

I would try the Cinnamon Sugar Cookie, Peanut Butter, Vanilla Cupcake, Vanilla Custard, Pineapple, and Strawberry by themselves. Make 5ml of each flavor at 5%, 10%, and 15%. Test vape each to see what strength tastes closest to what you think is correct. Most should be tasty right after you make them, but they will taste different in a few days. Adjust the strength of the next mix up or down from the one you thought was closest. I am finding that I keep lowering my percentages, and not losing flavor. For me, when the flavor is too strong, my taste buds seem to dull themselves a little to keep from going into overdrive. An audio comparison would be going from max volume that sounds good to the garbled screeching that comes out of a speaker right before it blows. I lose the taste of some of the flavors in mixes.

I am just guessing here, but I would try the Cheesecake at 4%-5% mixed with Graham Cracker at 1.5% to 2%, and maybe try the same with 2%-3% Strawberry in it. You can test vape right away, but I would toss these aside until the color appears and then try them to see what they really taste like.

Tangentially related, I'm curious why there's been no public evidence of vapers getting popcorn lung. There's been enough of them for long enough vaping juices that contain Diacetyl or related diketones that someone should have had enough reduced lung capacity to finger flavoring as the cause.

I have had some of the same thoughts from seeing the TFA list grow. I know that some people on here on ECF have vaped those very flavors for 3 or 4 years, maybe longer. Unfortunately, we have been testing for quite some time. Fortunately, no one has been diagnosed with popcorn lung so far. By all accounts, we all feel better. I'd bet that we have upwards of 100 ECF members whose entire ADV rotation included flavors with the custard molecules for multiple years.

I often wonder IF vaping Diacetyl in eLiquid would even have the same effect. Every known victim of popcorn lung was inhaling ridiculously large quantities of Diacetyl as a dry, airborne, fine particulate. Just perfect for making its way deep into the smallest crevasses of their lungs. Diacetyl in vapor is embedded in 2 or more liquids that keep them in suspension even after they contact your lung tissue. For all we know, they float on top and get swept right out. Most of what we inhale, gets exhaled without actually contacting tissue at all. In parts per billion, the numbers may seem bad, but the "safe" limit is, for all practical purposes, an educated guess based on observations of it as a dust. Even if I vaped nothing but flavors containing Diacetyl for 6 months at my normal quantity of eLiquid, I would inhale less actual Diacetyl than those factory workers did in less than 2 hours of an average work day. When I consider the relatively small quantities of eLiquid that I use per day and the fact that most of the other flavors in my rotation do not have them (pending changes, of course), I am not that worried about it.
 
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