On a serious note, FDAs deeming regulations

[solace.discord]

...instead of getting every single flavor registered, if we can get all flavored liquids 0 nic and each vendor sells a nicotine solution, hopefully in that scenario they would only need to certify the nicotine solution.

I have thought of this as well- great idea!

 

[Wickeddeuce]

I have thought of this as well- great idea!

i refuse to go down without a fight, but ill be dammed if i dont have a plan for what happens if we lose this fight... we will hopefully win the war... this should help prepare for the war...

 

[B2L]

Here is something I just sent to Nick (GrimmGreen) and my fellow hosts over on Vapeon.tv this is something that I just drafted right now in regards to combating the FDA should things not work out in our favor...

On to the FDA, my wife and I are working on coming up with various scenarios. One of which is instead of getting every single flavor registered, if we can get all flavored liquids 0 nic and each vendor sells a nicotine solution, hopefully in that scenario they would only need to certify the nicotine solution. I am hoping this would suffice. Much more affordable, albeit ....ty, to pay for 1 instead of 30... and would still give you the opportunity to offer various flavors. I realize this is more than likely a pipe dream of this happening, but I will be damned if I don't spin ideas. Hell, for that matter instead of everyone working against each other... get a conglomerate of various vendors together to start 1 company that offers only unflavored nicotine in various solutions and levels to pool resources and only have that conglomerate offer that one product and split the cost among yourselves...

Then, each individual company no longer offers nicotine in their liquid and just offers pg, vg, flavorings, 0 NIC. Theoretically this should work, however it may not... just kind of spit balling a bit here...

And, once we make that distinction, we can go further and try to separate the mods, and tanks, and rebuildables, and various products to be separate from nicotine and tobacco products.

We can make the argument that the while the government put a slap down on alcoholic energy drinks, they have not stopped alcohol and energy drinks from being sold, whos to say you cant mix one and the other... but using separate companies, the argument can be made that you are not offering a nicotine product and the mods that you offer are intended to be used with 0 nic liquid and as such should not be subject to tobacco products.

Hell, if we can get someone out there to create a flashlight adapter for 510 connections we can add that and offer the mods as modified flashlights and that not all mods are being used for vaping, instead they are being used as flashlights, and we can not help those who use atomizers on the mods...

I realize that this in particular is not an ideal approach however, the mods themselves should not be up to scrutiny, and if we can make that argument, sure mods as flashlights is not us really standing up for our rights, however its picking our battle and limiting the attacks to rebuildables, clearos, cartos, etc, etc, etc...

I want to win this battle, I want to win the war, but I want to prepare/plan/adjust for how to adapt if the outcome is not what we are looking for... like i said this may not win the battle, but if we prepare what to do if things dont go our way, this will help us win the war... the long term... vaping is out there, we just have to keep the money out of big tobacco and big pharmas hands until they get tired of the lost funds and resources, and either up the quality of their products to be equal to what we have, or they just back out...

also a way to hold out until we can appeal whatever comes from the fda, as i am sure that no matter what it will not go exactly how we will want it to go... however i would not be surprised if we can appeal and have things overturned... so we need to have our back up plan... i hope you are on the same page with me and that i am offering up some good solid ideas... companies like innokin, kanger, etc should be able to stand up to the ban and keep clearos out there, the cartos should survive...

ok i am done spitballing for now... let me know what you think...

my wife has encouraged me to expand on my conglomerate, that all the various businesses unite under one company not associated to namber juice, adirondack, zulu vape, but form a vapers union, one company and sell unflavored nic base, and my wife had the idea of forming a union of all the various companies to get non profit assistance for our cause, a vapers union, that will get union support from outside of our community, and i dont know, again spitballing, these are ideas that my wife is shotgunning at me while im working on what i was saying above, so im tossing em in here, because im on one track and shes on another but dammit everything that can possibly help needs to be approached and attempted...

That's some good " outside of the box" thinking which is what we need.

 

[tmel]

If anyone tries to take my stuff away, I will drown them in 100mg nic and burn them with my coils.

 

[supertrunker]

There will be one company selling it, but it'll be Philip Morris!

T

 

[B2L]

If anyone tries to take my stuff away, I will drown them in 100mg nic and burn them with my coils.

Ohhhh, please don't waste the nic like that

 

[Wickeddeuce]

That's some good " outside of the box" thinking which is what we need.

they[MODERATED] with the wrong mother [MODERATED]

i have only been quiet up to this point because... well... my brain was fried from a long long week with little to no sleep...

i wish i was a millionaire though... id launch a flat out lawsuit against the FDA for violation of constitutional rights... telling people what they can and cant have which takes away from the pursuit of happiness... i realize it would be a wasted cause and the odds of winning such a case would be worse than winning the lottery 5 nights in a row... with the same numbers... all being the same number...

but... thats why i said i wish i was a millionaire... wouldnt care if i won or lost... i would just want to do it... for me...

and then be prepared to move out of the US, immediately afterwards... lol

 

[jkais3r]

I don't think the 0 nic idea will work, because people still vape 0 nicotine. And if they do that there is no chance people who vape flavors could possibly be benefited whatsoever. The flavors are the most dangerous part. If they are going to force liquids to be registered, I'd want the flavors tested first. There's no liquids with diacetyl anymore, right? Well read this. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...s-may-contain-diacetyl-there-really-many.html

Hell, mods and rba's/rda's could be called (x) watt portable heaters. Who cares if they don't work as a heater, every other piece of crap that doesn't work as designed is still legal to be sold why can't mods and rda's be called a portable heater kit. Or even a humidifier.

When stuff hits the fan, I guess I don't care what happens. I won't go back to smoking that's for sure though. I don't vape at work at all, and have been able to cut down my nic content significantly. I guess if there are others like me we could at least say vaping did its job and hope to get vaping regulated as a stop smoking aid in the aftermath.

For those who are vehemently opposing regulation of any sort, I don't know what to say. This post should prove that things need to happen. Honestly, you can still roll your own cigarettes for about $20 a carton+. I did a few years ago. Yeah, they were nowhere near as good. But with DIY juice why would the cost benefit still not be at least 1/4 of the price of paying vendor prices?

Vaping could very well be turned into a couple product thing like cigarettes. Why would this be bad? Let's just say wizardlabs for example sends all of their things in to be tested/regulated. They then become a vendor supplier. It would be like Marlboro cigarettes, but wizardlabs nic juice and flavorings, then all vendors would be re-sellers. If that happens, would that really be so bad?

 

[Kevin33]

People will always be able to DIY by buying pg/vg, extracting nicotine and adding flavors, so no matter what I am not going to stop.

I thought the post about why don't the cigarette manufacturers have to list their ingredients was - thought provoking. And funny.

 

[Rev. Stabard]

Reply to Supertrunker >>There will be one company selling it, but it'll be Philip Morris!

Forgot to hit quote reply button.

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Yep, that's about what I think. Big tobacco has already been buying up the cig-alikes. (Talked to a Camel rep at a smoke/vape shop not too long ago, they're entering the market as well....) If it's not profitable, and they own the market, then what's going to happen (in their eyes.) People will just buy their analogs. Win-win for them. It is my belief they are simply hedging their bets.