One for the mouth-to-lungers

[kbeam418]

You are right but there is an elegance and style involved now. For me at least.
I wouldn't just keep buying cheap tat because it's cheap.
The kayfun lite is very good but I am getting more and more impressed by Greek manufacturers.
I have the Paps V4 which is undoubtedly the best mod I have ever bought.

That mod is so worth €99. I suppose if a few rickety plastic boxes and griffins are enough for you then that's great.

Also, I have a few Gus pieces. Again, it's only a metal tube but I think at roundabout €100 they are far from expensive.

when I hold something so beautiful like some of my pieces I am so happy and it only broadens my smile when somebody tells me they can get something which looks the same for $20.

I don't own a "few rickety" pieces of plastic. Every single mod I won (except the Alien) is made of Zinc and can withstand a lot abuse. I don't like pretty mods, I like mods that can take 100F+ heat and can be dropped. I can afford those high ends mods I just don't want them .

 

[Zutankhamun]

Those last lot of comments from me were totally , I apologise.
Whatever your opinion and what you like is up to you and only a good thing

Never mind me. Vape on

 

[vapdivrr]

Ok. I do not have a problem with people purchasing clones.
In fact, in BreSha6869s case its a good thing as he then buys an authentic if worth it.

every single clone rta and/or mech was leaky/badly machined/broke after a while/didn't work.
Although every rda was
I bought from all the major guys; SXK, Ehpro etc...

I was on a british site and i saw an authentic kfun lite+ for £50 i thought 'that's too much but ill try it out'
Best move ever. Since then, i have found my style and i proudly walk around with my gear which has never, ever, ever had any problems.
I cracked the poly tank on one kfun but i dont know how.

I think that most vapers have good luck when it comes to clones. For me, why bother buying £15 knock off rubbish kfuns when i can buy the real deal for £50?

Considering that i have had that atty for double the time of the phenomenon and it was half the price, thats =
89p per week! (My maths is terrible even with a calc, somewhere near)
How can that be a bad deal?
Also, like people have said;
You should be glad that chumps/bosses (whichever way you look at things) walk around with £100+ attys so that you can buy $10 knock offs.

Sorry for the longest of rants. Gotta explain myself.

Tl;dr Each to his/her own. As long as mtl attys keep coming i dont care who makes them or how much you pay

Same here.... I have tried a few clones, mostly for my wife and every time they were horrible. I keep hearing that most devices from china are as good, if not better then the originals but I'm not seeing anything close to that. I know that it must be true because I hear it alot, it's just that I have been unlucky I guess . I didn't spend alot on those clones, but when they are totally useless, you say to yourself, I could of spent that money towards the original. I also look at it like yourself in that I don't find originals all that expensive when I look at how much I'm really saving from not smoking and for me it's just worth it to not have any headaches. I do understand why people don't want to spend alot when they can get almost the same for less and that's definitely understandable.

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[kiba]

I don't own a "few rickety" pieces of plastic. Every single mod I won (except the Alien) is made of Zinc and can withstand a lot abuse. I don't like pretty mods, I like mods that can take 100F+ heat and can be dropped. I can afford those high ends mods I just don't want them .

The alien is zinc actually, I just got done stripping the beat up paint job off a freinds one and giving it a brushed finish. Definitely zinc alloy under there. Now I wish I'd taken pics, lol... I did it that way bc I thought a brushed finish would last longer than a polished one but I'm sure it will eventually patina and he'll have to refinish it, but that's much easier than taking the whole thing to bits and removing all the paint. It looked really good though.

Back OT, I have a few "rickety" 100 dollar mods that are nicer than some of the 300+ dollar stab wood devices I've paid for. I've also got a lost vape squonker that I like better than the sva and sunbox squonkers I've used. I've built my own dna75 and dna133\166 c-frame mods that some would consider "zero clones" (had 5 custom c-frames done so that they actually use sleeves from my old dna40 zeros) that cost me 100 bucks to build, all in, except the quality is much better than said $600 mod from Carlos creations.

On the other end, in my time vaping I've bought quite a few "high end" devices that were utter garbage, some of which I was never able to get fixed, bought high end atty's where posts snapped off in the deck, janky threads or peices that didn't fit, I've bought stab wood mods where the wood came apart, the machining done was poor at best and buttons, battery doors, that stick, 510 sockets that aren't deep enough or get stuck, or ridiculously expect you to use a screwdriver on it every time. I've seen really poor solders and poor wiring jobs, had a few where I had to rewire/resolder bc the internal resistance was higher than .03.

The thing is, when high end used to be a thing, we were forced into buying that stuff if we wanted a decent vape, there just wasn't any other option... but now you've got china who's stuff is on par with most of the high end stuff. Sure they make some mistakes but modders make plenty, believe me. In some cases China stuff is actually better bc they've got better equipment and much more machining experience, & can machine stuff out of higher quality/harder materials.

Point is, today, the words "high end" don't mean much imo, it's more of an idea, if you picked up my authentic taifun gt3 and the sxk clone I bought for parts, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference, so which one is high end? Or are they both?

 

[Unexist]

Recently bought a FeV v4.
Man, my Kayfun v3 Mini is collecting dust pretty well.
Worth every Cent.

 

[schatz]

I wont name names, but I met a machinist afew years back who was selling high dollar tanks. He was having them made for him in China and the cleaning them up and selling them as made in U.S. for top dollar, So who knew.

 

[kiba]

I wont name names, but I met a machinist afew years back who was selling high dollar tanks. He was having them made for him in China and the cleaning them up and selling them as made in U.S. for top dollar, So who knew.

That's actually sort of the right idea. Chinese machinists are some of the best in the world and cheapest, they certainly have the most experience. Why not do and design and qc over here, manufacturing over there?

 

[Zutankhamun]

Finally, someone apart from me said it
Quality control.

I think that's what happens with most major US electrical brands.
Design it then send it away, bring it back for some QC and job done.

I think your new man Trump wants to put and end to all that outsourcing business.

Let's make America great again.

 

[Eskie]

This has sort of veered off into that Twilight Zone of authentic vs. clone. When "high end" tanks (and mods) came out a few years ago, they were the only game in town. Everything was low power mtl type use. Clones came out as Chinese manufacturers found out the could get away with it without much worry of legal action. Machining some pieces of metal and sticking a piece of glass in between isn't building rockets.

As with all things, manufacture can be of high quality of low quality, regardless of authentic vs. clone. I've seen both. I do think the folks who thought up solid designs only to see them copied were injured. But as the market matured, it's become clear that there are only so many clever ways to hold a piece of wire to turn a liquid into a vapor. The "high end" tank builders has become a niche market. I would expect that serving such a market would mean careful attention to detail in construction, but we all know that doesn't always happen.

I've tried a few clones. Two were of Kayfuns and both were terrible (both from FT as well, maybe I got unlucky). A third was a flash sale on an EHPro Squape R ($5, how could I not?) that is beautifully made. Still, one for three is not a great record and I haven't gone down that road since. My vape pattern has also changed away from a tight mtl only, so the market is a lot more generous with choices at reasonable price points for me.

One place I would never pursue a clone is for a regulated mod. I won't cheap out on the electronics that will not only provide me with a stable vape, but also a safe stable vape. Fortunately, high quality electronics are available at a high but affordable price point. Specialty stabilized wood/resin/whatever enclosures are, to me, simply an aesthetic option, and if someone will buy it at the price asked, good for both parties. What matters to me is the interior work, although I'm a sucker for good looks as much as anyone.

 

[schatz]

Finally, someone apart from me said it
Quality control.

I think that's what happens with most major US electrical brands.
Design it then send it away, bring it back for some QC and job done.

I think your new man Trump wants to put and end to all that outsourcing business.

Let's make America great again.

We will see.

 

[kiba]

Finally, someone apart from me said it
Quality control.

I think that's what happens with most major US electrical brands.
Design it then send it away, bring it back for some QC and job done.

I think your new man Trump wants to put and end to all that outsourcing business.

Let's make America great again.

In a perfect world I'd agree, the only problem with that is cost, our machinists want much more $ to do the same thing, and health, dental plans 401k etc. Then China just ends up copying it and selling it cheaper anyway.

 

[Zutankhamun]

In a perfect world I'd agree, the only problem with that is cost, our machinists want much more $ to do the same thing, and health, dental plans 401k etc. Then China just ends up copying it and selling it cheaper anyway.

Indeed. However, you would be supporting the local American man and your country in regards to labour and economics by buying home made authentics.

I do when I can but I've only got a few English companies to pick from. Lord knows where ubertoot has gone, I don't care for evl and rose ain't so good anymore (let me know of more UK companies if any spring to mind).
I agree with @vapdivrr and all of my clones have been terrible so it warrants me spending the money. My European products have been so good compared to the rubbish clones i bought.

It's only because I began to vape mtl and use 22s and most of the Chinese gear is directed at dl and high wattage, low res and boxes.
Their own home made gear is great. I would love it if I vaped that way.

 

[ricks]

Let's stop the Clone talk and get back to the subject of this thread. This will get out of hand and get shut down if it continues...

 

[ricks]

My favorite MTL tank these days are my OBS Engine Nano's. They can be used for direct lung also and don't leak at all.

 

[smacksy]

My favorite MTL tank these days are my OBS Engine Nano's. They can be used for direct lung also and don't leak at all.

I'm not familiar with those tanks and was wondering if you can post a pic.. might be a good tank for my old ProVari

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[Zutankhamun]

My favorite MTL tank these days are my OBS Engine Nano's. They can be used for direct lung also and don't leak at all.

I'm not familiar with those tanks and was wondering if you can post a pic.. might be a good tank for my old ProVari

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Good point

I too am interested. Could you please post a pic?
I'm very doubtful.
I've found the serpent mini and bellus? (I think) bad for us but people say they are good for mtl. Is the engine similar or can be used as a proper mtl?

Thanks

Edit; what is the size of that tank. I think you may have said larger than 22 before.
I need a new box to fit all of this tanks.

 

[ricks]

This is the tank that made me put all others away, Authentic OBS Engine NANO RTA Silver 5.3ml 25mm Rebuildable Atomizer

 

[ricks]

They are a little wide at 25mm

 

[beckdg]

I hope my PloVaris are not clones

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You're in luck.

That one's a clon.

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[beckdg]

I think your new man Trump wants to put and end to all that outsourcing business.

Let's make America great again.

Depends I guess.



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