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[Bigflyrodder]

I don't know people, not trying to be a doomsdayer here but was just over on Nick's site (grimmgreen) and he posted this right from the CR site:

VIA: Consumer Reports Online




The researchers found that students who used e-cigarettes were more likely to have smoked conventional cigarettes in the past (defined as at least 100 cigarettes, or 5 packs, in their lifetime) and to be current smokers. In addition, among current conventional smokers, those who were also currently using e-cigarettes tended to smoke more than those who didn’t use e-cigs. An earlier study of young people in Korea reached similar conclusions.

It’s not possible to conclude whether using e-cigarettes actually caused teens to smoke more, or whether teens who are heavier smokers are more likely to also use e-cigarettes. But the findings are important either way because they suggest that e-cigarettes aren’t effective as smoking-cessation aids, as they’ve been touted by some proponents, but rather are linked with higher use of regular cigarettes.

Read our ongoing coverage of e-cigarette safety and regulation. Have you tried e-cigarettes? Please considersharing your experience with us.

—Jamie Kopf

Sounds to me like everyone here thinks CR is on our side, clearly that is NOT the case!

 

[TruSound]

This report may hold true in some cases, i know people that use both, cigarettes when they can and ecigs when they're in an area where they can't...I personally believe most smokers that have started using ecigs did so to quit cigarettes altogether, as I did.

The brief CR survey will hopefully provide enough success stories, and maybe, just maybe they'll realize how valuable ecigs are to many of us that couldn't quit cigarettes by any other means. So the debate rages on, and I don't expect it to end any time soon.

And the next time you see a news report that claims eliquid suppliers make all these crazy flavors to target children, maybe someone should remind them how many Vodka flavors are available for their kids...so consider the source of all these reports, I certainly do.

 

[The Vagabond]

done

I went from smoking 50 (2.5 packs a 35 year habit) cigarettes a day to vaping e-cigarettes daily in less than 3 days. I progressed to vaping liquid that no longer contained nicotine in a few months.
I never had any intentions of quitting cigarettes and enjoyed smoking. But after trying a disposable e-cigarette I quickly saw the possibilities and that with a better product (a non disposable e-cigarette) there was a huge cost savings and dramatic health improvements.

Now I save over $350 a month, and can walk, run and do physical things that I was simply incapable of after having smoked for over 35 years. I certainly expect that I have saved myself from future financial and health costs, that I or others would have otherwise had to endure .

 

[iacchus]

I filled this out yesterday. Maybe they will listen.

 

[CabinetGuyScott]

I don't know people, not trying to be a doomsdayer here but was just over on Nick's site (grimmgreen) and he posted this right from the CR site:

VIA: Consumer Reports Online

The researchers found that students who used e-cigarettes were more likely to have smoked conventional cigarettes in the past (defined as at least 100 cigarettes, or 5 packs, in their lifetime) and to be current smokers. In addition, among current conventional smokers, those who were also currently using e-cigarettes tended to smoke more than those who didn’t use e-cigs. An earlier study of young people in Korea reached similar conclusions.

It’s not possible to conclude whether using e-cigarettes actually caused teens to smoke more, or whether teens who are heavier smokers are more likely to also use e-cigarettes. But the findings are important either way because they suggest that e-cigarettes aren’t effective as smoking-cessation aids, as they’ve been touted by some proponents, but rather are linked with higher use of regular cigarettes.

Read our ongoing coverage of e-cigarette safety and regulation. Have you tried e-cigarettes? Please considersharing your experience with us.

—Jamie Kopf

Sounds to me like everyone here thinks CR is on our side, clearly that is NOT the case!

I consider them not only NOT on our side, but not even on the side of fair & balanced, nor fact based writing.

I saw that anything written by this Jamie Kopf sources directly from the ANTZ hotline.

Just haven't gotten around to finding where & who to write to at CR calling this jamie goober out for clear bias & lack of factual reporting.

Seems funny that CR would condone this when their entire reputation has been built on a perception of exactly the opposite!

 

[MikeNice81]

Seems funny that CR would condone this when their entire reputation has been built on a perception of exactly the opposite!

It has been a contention amongst car enthusiasts for years that CR is anything but unbiased.

Nevertheless, since I began writing about cars more than four decades ago, I came to learn that CR, despite its stock-in-trade of pretended objectivity, is subject – perhaps unknowingly – to distortions in two of its key features, new car ratings and reports of "reliability" which are used as fodder for both new and used-car ratings.

Is Consumer Reports Biased? - The Car Connection

That is one of the more tame articles.

 

[PhoenixD]

It is good to remember that people, organizations and so on, they all have good and bad sides.

Consumer Reports has excelled at independent testing of consumer products.

They also have a political arm and their mission is political, in general "to protect the consumer". I get a little nervous when some entity declares it will pass laws or support laws to protect "Me". I frequently turn to Consumer Reports for information on testing of products. Our "relationship" ends there.

I would be curious to see the "5 questions" in the "brief survey" posted here.

 

[h418982]

I just submitted mine. I even included in my story that blu's failed me but going with a true vaping setup changed my life

 

[Rickajho]

Dooded. It will be interesting to see what CU does with this one if they get a buncha replies saying how well this actually works in the non hypothetical real world.

 

[~Sue~Feb2012]

I consider them not only NOT on our side, but not even on the side of fair & balanced, nor fact based writing.

I saw that anything written by this Jamie Kopf sources directly from the ANTZ hotline.

Just haven't gotten around to finding where & who to write to at CR calling this jamie goober out for clear bias & lack of factual reporting.

Seems funny that CR would condone this when their entire reputation has been built on a perception of exactly the opposite!

I also noticed that all of Jamie Kopf's slanted articles about e-cigs are clearly not helping our cause. Someone should definitely set her straight. If I were reading her articles and didn't know anything about e-cigs, I would see the articles as generally negative

 

[DC2]

Done..............

 

[Brandon_4078]

Done!

 

[redsox]

filled it out until i saw the email and phone number grab at the end.....no thanks

 

[YKruss]

Done........

 

[Recycled Roadkill]

Any decent writer can take a positive statement and twist it to make it a negative statement. If that's CR's intention then it won't matter what we submit to them.

Look at the negative stuff that came from the Dallas area Vape Blast. I was there and saw nothing but positive things.

 

[Mark Anthony]

Done....

 

[10x sugar]

Done! Thank you so much for posting this.
Hopefully adding our voices and sharing our stories with such a widely respected organization will bring about many positives including grabbing the attention of current tobacco smokers.

 

[jadeninja]

Found this yesterday. and replied and will tell others!!!

 

[sonicdsl]

A "whois" with the .es registrar shows Consumers Union as the owner of stori.es .

Take from that what you will.

 

[amoret]

Done. It is definitely legitimate as far as being consumer reports since going to the site logged me into my account there. Telling the truth can't hurt and may help. This is what I put in the comments section:

"After more than 40 years of smoking, and having tried every available method to try to quit, I am finally successfully off of smoking. This is with no distress and no major effort on my part.

Despite a major stress in my life this winter after my house was destroyed by a chimney fire I have had no urge to smoke again. I am still using nicotine, as I would also be if I had tried any of the "official" forms of nicotine replacement therapy, but nicotine is not the cause of the health problems that smoking or chewing tobacco cause.

Part of why this has been successful for me is the variety of flavors available and the fact that I can order my equipment and supplies on the internet. While I certainly don't think that children or anyone who wasn't already using tobacco should be using electronic cigarettes I also DO NOT think that they should be regulated and/or taxed to the point that this successful tobacco cessation option becomes unavailable or difficult to obtain."

I do wish that I had read the articles there first, since if I had I would have put even more emphasis on the use of variety and the need for internet availability.