One thing's for sure, change is inevitable.

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ArdentHope

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I've ordered from V4L off and on for more than 2 yrs. and have noticed a lot of changes. My recent order is no exception. In times gone by, you wouldn't find many liquids more than a couple months old when they got to you, I just received one that was created on 10/25/10 expires 10/24/12 (and is missing about 3-4 mls). I know it isn't expired but I remember when stock was newer/full when it shipped to you. Another thing, shipping - bottles of liquid thrown into a shipping envelope (no tape on the caps or protection from leaks) wasn't good form way back when.:unsure:

Get angry if you will, I'm not attacking V4L, I'm just stating what my experience has been with V4L over the last couple of years.
 
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Yeah, I see that your thread has been closed. Sad that you couldn't respond to Steve publicly.

Maybe V4L has been hardened by just being in business. I remember when the picker signed your pick slip - now there is a printed number - B2C24. Who's that? Sounds like robot code. Another thing I remember was that correspondence between V4L and it's customers had a softer, more friendly tone. Now it seems to be all business. Just take a look at the back of a pick slip for an example of that. It's the little things that made shopping with V4L satisfying for me, I guess those days have been forced into the digital pages of history.
 

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Its so weird... I was just in there and they were incredible. Until the last couple of orders I have had no issues with mispicks... and that is over the course of a year, I wonder whats going on.... Please V4L I love you guys to death and will always be a diehard customer but take notice to what we are saying... I have seen the shop you guys do a great job... I understand the hardware issues... but it gets trying when we have to pay shipping back over and over to get something right.

Love you guys to death... but these two had some valid concerns... I was kind of saddened to see a thread closed up so quickly... even if it could of been dealt with in a PM. Others are watching and have the same questions... It isn't a negative thing to have a Constructive thread to address concerns from customers.
 

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I was kind of saddened to see a thread closed up so quickly... even if it could of been dealt with in a PM

it could have, but...

Others are watching and have the same questions... It isn't a negative thing to have a Constructive thread to address concerns from customers

this is past the point where one can go on having a private exchange with the awesome people on staff like Robert, Gabe, etc, who always make things right. that's no the point anymore. It affects everyone, and its too frequent.

And I'm tired of seeing people with valid concerns or questions chased off the forum by a tantrum-like response or censored in some other way.
 

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I love seeing this. I have been sitting back and watching since they changed to their "more profit" business tactics. I've had so many issues with their shipments to me being wrong it's sickening. Granted, they do end up fixing the problem, however I shouldn't have to go through that as a consumer time and time again. Now I see people with valid points posting on the forum and having it censored. If you are not a fanboy/girl, or get freebies to test and put all positive reviews, you're chopped liver. I didn't complain as much when the orders were incorrect when we were paying reasonable prices for their stuff, but now they they jack all their prices, i.e Ego kits (lolz @56bucks for stripped ego2 kit) It's hard not to.
 

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I love seeing this. I have been sitting back and watching since they changed to their "more profit" business tactics. I've had so many issues with their shipments to me being wrong it's sickening. Granted, they do end up fixing the problem, however I shouldn't have to go through that as a consumer time and time again. Now I see people with valid points posting on the forum and having it censored. If you are not a fanboy/girl, or get freebies to test and put all positive reviews, you're chopped liver. I didn't complain as much when the orders were incorrect when we were paying reasonable prices for their stuff, but now they they jack all their prices, i.e Ego kits (lolz @56bucks for stripped ego2 kit) It's hard not to.

Well, technically speaking, the prices were always "jacked" (except for Wow and Premium juice), including the risible shipping rates; it's just that we could always get deep discount codes until recently, and often combine those with free shipping codes. Not anymore.

They did finally lower the (absurd) USA juice line prices from $20/30ml to the more market average of $15/30ml; some day I expect they will have to do the same with the VTs.

In the meantime, a potential consumer has to consider both the high prices and the crazy shipping fees before making an order. Even with the occasional (and small) discount code, and without the ability to combine codes any longer, it's usually not worth it to make any small-to-medium size orders. Too bad for V4L. :(

After the first of this year, I too noticed a high rate of "mispicks" on my orders but didn't bother correcting them (I can't afford, either financially or time and energy-wise, the hassle of sending stuff back via the post office). I also miss the sense of personalization and accountability that seeing the name of my "picker" on the invoice used to give me. Oh well.
 

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Nah. The decisions have been made, and if we don't like the new regime, we can go pound sand.

As a number of us have already decided to do.

I will still make the occasional order of colored blanks, and (when my copious collection of) batteries begin to seriously dwindle, I may replace some of my KD XLs; but for now I'm good on everything, including the 4 V4L juices that I love (of course, juices are the easiest thing to replace, if necessary -- I know, I've been practicing juice-a-thons the past 8 months or so).
 

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I'm certain I've come off as a fanboy more than once here, as I've been systematically happy with V4L's service over the last 2 years I've ordered with them.. Having said that, yes I've noticed an increase in mistakes in the last year. Perhaps parts of the business (in filling) aren't properly scaling up yet with an increase in their volume? Hard to know from the outside, but I can see how its' annoying. I haven't done any analysis on how many of my orders have been wrong, but I could count them on a single hand, and they were all dealt with promptly and courteously, including one order that had to reship twice. This never cost me anything but additional wait times, and I was more than happy with their response.

I've never had a case where I needed to return an item to them, so I can appreciate how that might differ if they didn't offer return postage.. but I thought I read that they do?? I'm therefore confused about comments to that regard. Perhaps I misunderstood other comments I've read on this.

Either way, just trying to offer a slightly different perspective. I can certainly see though from many others' comments that their experiences may be different from mine, which I fully respect and am not disparaging or disagreeing with.
 

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I have never had them pay return postage ,i have seen a few loud whiners get it on fb though .
I too had tons of mispicks this year .Audrey made some of it right with me .
I too have noticed the silence over this new year .I had to find some suppliers for some juice at lesser shipping cost and some discounts .It is too bad ,cause turns out i love some of my new juices .
I threw away two bottles of my beloved dunhall menthol ,and my newest bottle of smilin special tastes just as bad .
I dont write anymore because frankly after vaping these so long i can no longer stand to hear that its my tastebuds.
Yes i love their 808's and prob will continue to order but have found other sources for most of my ejuice ,all made in usa .
If you have never had to return a faulty battery ,you have been very very lucky .
 

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Blue, I've had to send things back twice now. You have to pay for return shipping. From a policy point of view, I understand why. On the last return, when I told them that I just had to pay for a return a few days prior, I was told to include receipts for returns. They would give me credits. So hopefully it all works out. I understand the frustration but CS has been great when I've had to call.

EDIT: I too hope that business has picked up and maybe they're simply having growing pains. That's easy to fix. Besides, as much as things in e-cig world have evolved in the short period I've been around, we really don't know what V4L has in the pipe for our vaping goodness. Patience just might pay off.
 
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I won't even try to say this is 2 cents anymore, here's another buck fifty or so for what it's worth...

Ah, thanks everyone, I sit corrected on that issue. I must have read the few 'lucky ones' who did receive return postage... I also think I understand both the business decision on their part, and the inevitable negative reaction customers would have for having to pay for mistakes that aren't the customers' fault in the first place...

As to being lucky about the batteries, I had purchased only ashcaps for the most part, and after diamonds came out was going to upgrade a few, but ended up waiting a bit longer and then ended up getting the OMG mod when it was available. The ashcaps have all been great, I have had about 2 dozen of them with no issues... I hear the KDs are great too, just never managed to order any. So yeah, I guess I am lucky; and this helps me to appreciate that a fair number of other people haven't been. I of course have no metric on how many bad ones have happened with these last new models, but I certainly have seen many comments from customers about issues with them.

I do also see V4L stepping in to assure us they are aware of the problems, and that they are continuing to improve their products and take steps to remedy these problems. While I don't see them respond to every post, I do see them make occasional statements to let us know what is happening and assuring us that they care. I believe them on both counts, for my own opinion. I don't expect them to respond to every post in this way, as, from a business point of view they need to answer very carefully, and this can be very time consuming. For the most part, it seems to me I've seen them respond in at least one relevant thread for most issues brought up.

I appreciate their drive to continually innovate (which will virtually always end up having some issues crop up in initial production runs); given how young this industry and these brand new products are, these types of things are inevitable. In the computer software world, there is a generic saying "Never buy v1.0 of anything", and another, for MS especially, that says "wait until at least Service Pack 1 is released before you even install this app."

I think a similar amount of caution and thought is prudent here (and this is why I stayed with XL Ashcap batteries for so long; it was a proven good system that worked for me.) I'll admit I did jump the gun when I ordered the VK-OMG without doing enough research, but in the end I was very happy with it as well, and will keep it as a backup even though I've moved on to other PVs now.

I guess bottom line is some of this equipment is bleeding-edge technology, and when you are a 'first adopter', there are going to be certain risks. Buggy equipment/software is usually high on the list of issues, so no surprises here...

I humbly suggest they consider moving Titan Autos to the Weekly Specials, and include a note in the product description mentiong use of tanks/dripping and basically keeping juice out of the holes at all costs, if the problem rate with the units is significantly high enough. ( I have no data on this, just throwing it out there...)
 

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Thank you, Sag!

I have to add also , V4Ls warranty/return policy is best I've seen in my two year vape journey.

The last 2 things I bought elsewhere had a 14day return policy, and the one that was ordered online was FOB terms (meaning once USPS has it they aren't responsible for loss etc. Not V4L, they beat many or even most on these counts too.



Sent from my phone; Please excuse typos / autocorrections.
 

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I love V4L, totally do. Love their products & customer service. I do not, however, love everything about V4L.

Problems with mis-picks? I've experienced these from very early on after becomming a convert to V4L in March 2011. Mistakes/omissions occur on average one out of every 3-4 orders for me. It's a constant irritation, especially as I wait approximately 2 weeks for an order to arrive.

Problems with batteries? I've had my share, but I have to say not with the XL soft-touch titan autos, no problems there. I've had the occasional DOA battery, both auto & manual, but they've improved a lot. I do think it unfortunate that one has to try various "fixes" though; I don't think the onus should be on the customer to get the product working.

Problems with juices? They vary a lot between batches, which I do not think ought to happen.

Yes, the sales are fewer and less than before. I don't like it, but I'll be the first to say I thought there were too many for a while there, and it devalued the original asking price. I've only been a V4L customer for 14 months, maybe things have changed in that time.

From my point of view, shipping is high & order takes a long time to get here - that's the same with any US company I deal with (apart from those who offer a higher-cost express option). For all my experimenting, and all my griping, I am overall very happy with V4L. Not because I'm a 'fangirl' but because I genuinely like the company & products. And all the family here, of course.

And that's this Katz' meow
 

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To respond to a post, asking for a concrete answer to a concrete question about QC, and noting an effectively DOA auto battery, with

1) thread closure

2) "the problem with autos is the juice"

is flagrant nonsense

My Diamonds that arrived working flawlessly, still work flawlessly. Every gen 2 I've ever bought, still works as it should. Every fatt batt auto I have, still works as it should.

Unless someone is vaping the autos and flooding them before they send them out, no the problem isn't juice. Juice is a potential pilot error that can occur down the line.

But it wasn't my complaint, not the complaint of others who have issues with batts on arrival, and to respond in this way says to me that either the OP wasn't read OR the response was designed to skirt the issue at best, or perhaps deliberately obfuscate and muddy the waters.

Juice doesn't creep into my shipment before it gets to my door and produce a faulty switch/airflow.

Please don't insult my intelligence.

EDIT: I should say, please don't insult *our* intelligence. My apologies.
 
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