one time buy...mod for the long haul

[xanderxman]

For durability and reliability NOTHING beats a mech mod.

You could take a copper Nemesis, bury it in the dirt, leave it for 1,000 years, dig it up, clean it off, toss a battery in it and it would work. I doubt you could do the same with a Provari.

And before you say mech mods aren't regulated, they most definitely can be.

Tell that to the mech mods I own. They are all authentic, before that becomes an issue. Every single time I change a battery I reliably have to futz with the switch to adjust for battery rattle and contact. Last time I checked, when I change the battery in my ProVari I reliably start vaping.

And sure, you CAN make a mech VV but now you have yet another piece of hardware that can fail. Bury that Kick for 1,000 years and let me know what happens. And a copper Nemesis with a Kick is going to far exceed the cost of a ProVari, if you can find a Nemesis for sale anywhere. That is assuming you are buying an authentic Nemesis. If we are talking clones then that is a whole different sport that I will not play.

Like it or not, a ProVari is hands down the cheapest, most durable, longest lasting, most trustworthy VV device you can buy today.

 

[inanitydefined]

Tell that to the mech mods I own. They are all authentic, before that becomes an issue. Every single time I change a battery I reliably have to futz with the switch to adjust for battery rattle and contact. Last time I checked, when I change the battery in my ProVari I reliably start vaping.

And sure, you CAN make a mech VV but now you have yet another piece of hardware that can fail. Bury that Kick for 1,000 years and let me know what happens. And a copper Nemesis with a Kick is going to far exceed the cost of a ProVari, if you can find a Nemesis for sale anywhere. That is assuming you are buying an authentic Nemesis. If we are talking clones then that is a whole different sport that I will not play.

Like it or not, a ProVari is hands down the cheapest, most durable, longest lasting, most trustworthy VV device you can buy today.

your whole argument is invalidated by two words. SMOK Magneto.

 

[xanderxman]

Send it back to SMOK when it breaks and get it repaired.

EDIT - Or were you talking about the adjusting for battery rattle thing? I have an authentic Nemesis with a magnetic switch and I still have to adjust the switch every so often as I change batteries. The pin in the switch gets rotated out as I change batteries and I have to fix it. Never had that problem with my ProVari.

EDIT 2 - The OP wanted VV, longevity and durability. Not sure a mech mod with a Kick is the answer for the money.

 

[inanitydefined]

Send it back to SMOK when it breaks and get it repaired.

for the cost of repairing a provari I can get a new magneto. Its a cheap, authentic, reliable mechanical that doesn't need any fiddling on the battery swap. Also, knock the delrin insulator out of your nemesis so it sits loose, negating the need to adjust the centre pin. itll change your life.

its funny that you argue the kick makes a mechanical less reliable while defending a device with a permanently mounted circuit board. If a kick fails, you take it out and keep going. If the board goes in a provari you have a real expensive paperweight until you can get it fixed. And I will trust evolv's build quality just as much if not more than provapes

edit: and this is a new level, arguing that a provari is more reliable than a mechanical

EDIT 2 - The OP wanted VV, longevity and durability. Not sure a mech mod with a Kick is the answer for the money.

no, you're assuming the OP has the same hangups about clones that you do. A cheaper mech + an authentic Evolv Kick 2 will handle anything that any vaper could throw at it, from carto tanks to quad coil subohm builds, and offers better looks, smaller size, and more versatility than a provari at roughly half the entry price.

for the record, both my hcigar nemesis and my brass sentinel clone are bulletproof. I'll bet you a bottle of juice if we took turns throwing our mods against a wall, my sentinel would be firing long after your provari. it cost me $16

 

[xanderxman]

for the cost of repairing a provari I can get a new magneto. Its a cheap, authentic, reliable mechanical that doesn't need any fiddling on the battery swap. Also, knock the delrin insulator out of your nemesis so it sits loose, negating the need to adjust the centre pin. itll change your life.

its funny that you argue the kick makes a mechanical less reliable while defending a device with a permanently mounted circuit board. If a kick fails, you take it out and keep going. If the board goes in a provari you have a real expensive paperweight until you can get it fixed. And I will trust evolv's build quality just as much if not more than provapes

edit: and this is a new level, arguing that a provari is more reliable than a mechanical

A ProVari is no more or less reliable than a mech mod with a Kick. As you implied, same internals. The warranty and build quality of a ProVari sets it apart for me. A mech mod WITHOUT a Kick is more reliable than a ProVari, but once the Kick comes into the equation it is a whole different sport.

 

[Baditude]

edit: and this is a new level, arguing that a provari is more reliable than a mechanical

You apparantly have never owned a Provari. It's built to be every bit as reliable and durable as any mechanical mod. The circuit board of the Provari can be intentionally removed for easy replacement - should it ever need to be. Funny how falling one story off a ledge onto concrete or falling from a speeding motorcycle onto the highway and run over by a car and the circuit board still works.

Occassionally the top cap of the Provari becomes dislodged (its press fitted). Know what the repair procedure is? Hit a block of wood on top of the cap & the Provari with a hammer. Try that with any other regulated mod.

 

[inanitydefined]

A ProVari is no more or less reliable than a mech mod with a Kick. As you implied, same internals. The warranty and build quality of a ProVari sets it apart for me. A mech mod WITHOUT a Kick is more reliable than a ProVari, but once the Kick comes into the equation it is a whole different sport.

oh, the warranty thing. this always gives me giggles. For $25 I can get a 3 year warranty on a $200 device that covers everything including accidental damage. Which means if I drop my mod out the window of my car and it catches a semi, I can send whatever is left in and get my money back. And yes, Square Trade will cover mods, I've talked with them. It kinda makes provapes extra year for the same price look pathetic

 

[inanitydefined]

You apparantly have never owned a Provari. It's built to be every bit as reliable as any mechanical mod. The circuit board of the Provari can be intentionally removed for easy replacement - should it ever need to be. Funny how falling one story off a ledge onto concrete or falling from a speeding motorcycle onto the highway and run over by a car and the circuit board still works.

actually, I did. Its well built yes, but its not the end all be all device so many people here say it is.
And notice I said I did have one. I sold it for a reason

also bad, I have a lot of respect for you, but I have to call you out here. On just the last page I recommended the provari for standard wattage vaping.

 

[xanderxman]

for the record, both my hcigar nemesis and my brass sentinel clone are bulletproof. I'll bet you a bottle of juice if we took turns throwing our mods against a wall, my sentinel would be firing long after your provari. it cost me $16

Put your Kick in it and let's go.

 

[Sandiej02]

My favorite: Provari ... and then a couple MVP2's "on the side" (along with an Aspire Nautilus tank).

 

[brickfollett]

its funny that you argue the kick makes a mechanical less reliable while defending a device with a permanently mounted circuit board. If a kick fails, you take it out and keep going. If the board goes in a provari you have a real expensive paperweight until you can get it fixed. And I will trust evolv's build quality just as much if not more than provapes

edit: and this is a new level, arguing that a provari is more reliable than a mechanical

for the record, both my hcigar nemesis and my brass sentinel clone are bulletproof. I'll bet you a bottle of juice if we took turns throwing our mods against a wall, my sentinel would be firing long after your provari. it cost me $16

Sir you are doing the following.

A. Fighting a battle where nobody wins
B. Doing so in a thread that does not call for it
C. Fighting a losing battle

As far as A. goes, your posting in a thread that has Baditude in it. This ain't gonna go well, trust me. I advocate the Provari just as strongly as he does, albeit not always as eloquently. Other experienced Provarinati in this thread too. I'd call off the debate.

As far as B. goes, the OP didn't ask for a mech V. Provari debate. That's not what this is about. As far as durability goes, sure, mechs are durable, I don't argue that. But there is essentially not a more durable VV device with the tube form factor as the Provari Not as far as I'm aware.

As far as C. goes, I'd pick up a Provari over a mech any day. It reads my ohms, checks my batteries and if I sweet talk it a bit, it'll flip my pancakes and check my mail. Can your mech flip pancakes? Haha in all seriousness, there is no arguing the reputation of the Provari. There are almost no Variable voltage mods in existence that rival the durability of the Provari that also offer the seamless functionality and stable vape. There are other devices, but only a few.

I'd suggest calling this off before this thread gets out of hand and the moderators swoop in to save the day. I'd like to hear the OP's opinion right now though. It would be interesting to know if a mechanical mod is being considered because they certainly do have their merits (subohm ho!) and this is an aspect I wish the Provari could handle.

But I bet you've never seen massive clouds come off an RSST at 2.4 ohms though...

 

[brickfollett]

1.5 - 1.7 ohm micro coil with 30g Kanthal and organic cotton. I followed this video tutorial:

Ever try a full mesh build? Changed my life =]

 

[inanitydefined]

Sir you are doing the following.

A. Fighting a battle where nobody wins
B. Doing so in a thread that does not call for it
C. Fighting a losing battle

As far as A. goes, your posting in a thread that has Baditude in it. This ain't gonna go well, trust me. I advocate the Provari just as strongly as he does, albeit not always as eloquently. Other experienced Provarinati in this thread too. I'd call off the debate.

As far as B. goes, the OP didn't ask for a mech V. Provari debate. That's not what this is about. As far as durability goes, sure, mechs are durable, I don't argue that. But there is essentially not a more durable VV device with the tube form factor as the Provari Not as far as I'm aware.

As far as C. goes, I'd pick up a Provari over a mech any day. It reads my ohms, checks my batteries and if I sweet talk it a bit, it'll flip my pancakes and check my mail. Can your mech flip pancakes? Haha in all seriousness, there is no arguing the reputation of the Provari. There are almost no Variable voltage mods in existence that rival the durability of the Provari that also offer the seamless functionality and stable vape. There are other devices, but only a few.

I'd suggest calling this off before this thread gets out of hand and the moderators swoop in to save the day. I'd like to hear the OP's opinion right now though. It would be interesting to know if a mechanical mod is being considered because they certainly do have their merits (subohm ho!) and this is an aspect I wish the Provari could handle.

But I bet you've never seen massive clouds come off an RSST at 2.4 ohms though...

I'd suggest you read post 20
and have this talk with your boy xander, not me.

 

[brickfollett]

I'd suggest you read post 20

It wasn't post 20 I replied to. I was replying to a post following post 20 that is on the verge of disturbing the beast that is the Provarinati haha. We're here to educate, not bicker. I'm sure the fact that a Provari and a Mech are of similar brick-wall-proofness is of no consideration to the OP.

Also, my boy Xander seems to have a little subtitle below his username that looks like it says Team ECF. Might be wise not to press buttons

Or do press buttons?

 

[RebelGolfer72]

Put your Kick in it and let's go.

*post edited, because anything I would add is simply... :deadhorse:

 

[inanitydefined]

It wasn't post 20 I replied to. I was replying to a post following post 20 that is on the verge of disturbing the beast that is the Provarinati haha. We're here to educate, not bicker. I'm sure the fact that a Provari and a Mech are of similar brick-wall-proofness is of no consideration to the OP.

Also, my boy Xander seems to have a little subtitle below his username that looks like it says Team ECF. Might be wise not to press buttons

Or do press buttons?

my followup post was suggesting a cheap, unique mech that has none of his fiddly battery issues. If that is "disturbing the beast", wow...

edit: and in the next post I told him how to simplify battery swaps in his nemesis. its a simple modification and it makes it sooooo much better

making a blanket statement that equates to "i find the mechanicals I have inconvenient, therefor all mechanicals must be inferior to a device I do find convenient" is a logical fallacy

 

[brickfollett]

...barring throwing it against the wall...let's try some real data....
Put a 2 ohm coil in a ProVari, set the volts to 4.2 (voltage of a fresh charged battery)... Now do the same with a mech. I can go all day with my ProVari, and when the battery finally kicks, my last vape was at 4.2 volts, just like the first....see how that works on a mech...

I agree with the controlled consistent vape of the Provari, but doesn't the kick regulate wattage and keep it stable throughout the battery life too? I'm just trying to better understand the kick because I do have an interest in acquiring a mechanical down the road

 

[Baditude]

I need a mod for the long haul. I have gone thru quite a few In the past year. I know the track record of provari and am heavily leaning towards a mini...but they are pricey. I know about vamos and zmax but they are known to be cheaper and more likely to break like my current svd that is failing more everyday. I am willing to spend the coin eventually once I save it but want to know if there are others tbat can compare to the durability. I want vv because of the ease of use and seems to be... too many unknowns and little bothersome issues with mech mods....please correct me if I am wrong but they seem dangerous.

for a rugged vv, the provari is your best bet if you run low wattage. Some DNA mods are of comparable quality if you need more power. Shan mods, Hana Mods, Protovapor xpv, and the cyborg all come to mind. There is also the Duke if you vape super high power regulated.
The reo has a strong following for a reason as does the provari.

But if I wanted something for the apocalypse, one mod to rule them all type of thing, I'd get a precise plus 18650.

The OP only asked for a durable vv mod for the long haul. He said nothing about wanting a high powered mod. He is wary of mechanical mods because of the safety factor, and for good reason.

 

[brickfollett]

my followup post was suggesting a cheap, unique mech that has none of his fiddly battery issues. If that is "disturbing the beast", wow...

The beast is watching...

I'm just trying to point out that we're trying to direct an already educated person (OP) to an educated decision about a long term APV. My opinion is that he is unlikely looking to dive into the mech world and that they are not something that's necessarily worth discussing in this thread even though they have many benefits that regulated devices do not share

 

[inanitydefined]

The OP only asked for a durable vv mod for the long haul. He said nothing about wanting a high powered mod. He is wary of mechanical mods because of the safety factor, and for good reason.

what does the very first line say?

I separated my personal choice in its own paragraph for a reason