Ontario public health staffer concerned smokers are using e-cigs, misrepresents evidence on products

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Kingston, Frontenac, Lennox and Addington (Ontario) Public Health tobacco Control Manager Dave McWilliam concerned that cigarette smokers are switching to far less hazardous smokefree e-cigarettes, misrepresents scientific evidence and risks/benefits of e-cigarettes to confuse and scare public, and to discourage smokers from switching.
Hey, Dave !!
Feel the heat ?? ... It's your pants
They're on fire !!
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But did you notice that the email addresses are provided at the bottom of the KFL&A Public Health page?

Dave McWilliam
Manager, tobacco Program
KFL&A Public Health
613-549-1232, ext. 1109
dmcwilliam@kflapublichealth.ca

Helen Lott
Program Assistant
KFL&A Public Health
613-549-1232, ext. 1107
hlott@kflapublichealth.ca

I'm sure they'd love to hear from us.
 

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But did you notice that the email addresses are provided at the bottom of the KFL&A Public Health page?

Dave McWilliam
Manager, Tobacco Program
KFL&A Public Health
613-549-1232, ext. 1109
dmcwilliam@kflapublichealth.ca

Helen Lott
Program Assistant
KFL&A Public Health
613-549-1232, ext. 1107
hlott@kflapublichealth.ca

I'm sure they'd love to hear from us.
Hi, Elaine
Oh, I'm sure they would be tickled to hear from us...
Maybe we should make them happy by sending the a Christmas card
with a note saying "Santa Clause knows when you have been bad and telling lies again" !!
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By the way Elaine ... Read your posted comments below the article
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Go ahead and Lie ... We're watching and waiting for the opportunity
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"...some e-cigarettes have been found to contain over 1,000 mg of nicotine."

WHAT???????????????????????????????? Seems they have (purposely) "confused" an "e-cigarette cartridge" with a "30 ml refill bottle of 36 mg liquid."

And "For smokers planning to quit, we recommend proved smoking-cessation aids, such as the nicotine patch, gum or lozenge."

OK, Mr. McWilliam, but what about smoker NOT planning to quit? Should they just keep smoking?
 

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But did you notice that the email addresses are provided at the bottom of the KFL&A Public Health page?

Dave McWilliam
Manager, Tobacco Program
KFL&A Public Health
613-549-1232, ext. 1109
dmcwilliam@kflapublichealth.ca

Helen Lott
Program Assistant
KFL&A Public Health
613-549-1232, ext. 1107
hlott@kflapublichealth.ca

I'm sure they'd love to hear from us.



Sure did notice those email addresses and wrote them a piece of my mins right away Elaine, there not going to like me one bit :hubba::ohmy::ohmy:
 

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That ...... me off to no end and I had to write both of them:

Dear Sir and Madame,
I am quoting you: "E-cigarettes are a growing concern for public health agencies" That is because the pharmaceutical companies are losing out due to the effectiveness of e-cigs over patches, gums and other products that aren't working to help smokers. I smoked for over 30 years, 2 packs a day- I have used e-cigs for 2 years now and it's the only thing that has kept me from smoking and ruining my health. My doctors and dentist are over-joyed at the better health I am befitting from now. Over 1000 mg of nicotine??? Wow, where did you get this? Someone needs to do their homework. The small number of carts confiscated and tested by the United States FDA in 2008-09 may have shown some bad chemicals in some of the carts but the industry has come a long way since then. You need to include newer findings that are in-line with what the public is using now with healthier results. I know exactly what is in my e-cig because I mix my own juice and no one who has been using e-cigs for long will put up with inferior or dangerous products- the watch dog group is e-cig users themselves, not Health Canada or any other federal organization. I use 1.8% nicotine (18 mg/ml, not over 1000 mg in what dilution??- not known from your puplic health announcement) and vegetable glycerine with a drop of FDA approved food grade flavoring per ml....Some also use Propylene Glycol which is safe and in many of our foods approved by all governments. The information you're touting are either an out-right lies and you know it or you are completely ignorant about e-cigs, their contents, their effectiveness and their safety. I suggest you go back and do your home work and try again.
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One of your southern neighbors in the U.S.
David Exxxxxxx
 

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FWIW, I sent them a reply:

"Wow.

It's been a while since I've read a more misinformed and misleading statement on this topic.

I cling to the hope that you simply lack knowledge, although with all the information available today it's hard to keep this hope.

A well known medical journal banned the phrase "more research is needed" from the articles they publish. Every single topic, in every single field of knowledge requires and will ever require more research. It's a redundant and at times misleading statement.

Of course more research is needed.

But currently existing knowledge does not suggest in the least that vaporized nicotine might be harmful, or that its harmful effects would be anything but orders of magnitude lower than cigarette smoking. There are no reports of significant side effects of use or of significant harmful substances in the vapor produced. More of the available research can be found here: Learn About Electronic Cigarettes

Not even FDAs infamous micro-study could find anything but traces of DEG, of uncertain significance in one cartridge out of a hilarious 'sample'. It also found certainly clinically insignificant traces of nitrosamines, at the same homeopatic dilution level as they are found in ANY nicotine containing product, including your beloved patches and gums. You misquoted these facts in a manner that raises concern of ill intention.

You also threw in a factoid (1000 mg of nicotine in an e-cigarette) that makes no sense and is more at home in a tabloid than in a Public Health statement. Noting that your little elementary school essay has no references, I wonder where you got that factoid from?... Given that an average gas station e-cigarette contains 1-2 ml of 12-24 mg/ml liquid, your factoid is a plain lie.

Other than that, you have purposefully avoided existing and easily available knowledge about e-cigarette contents by claiming that the substances accompanying nicotine in e-cigarettes are 'unknown'. That's not true. The bulk of the e-liquid used in these is made of glycerin and propylene glycol, two essentially harmless substances that are ubiquitary in consumer products. They also contain a varying amount of nicotine - which is one of the strengths of these products as one can tailor their nicotine intake based on their needs, and even taper their concentration if they see fit, sometimes to 0 - and, if the user so chooses, food grade flavoring.

There is nothing intrinsically wrong with this class of products. Your job would be to regulate and ensure quality control, rather than trying to push their existence and usefulness under the rug. Switching to a reduced harm alternative is one of the best outcomes for the smokers who either do not want or cannot cease nicotine consumption. The 'quit or die' strategy, along with the 'social outcast' effort have failed. History will decide whether they will be remembered as stupid or criminal, or a little of both.

Wake up and smell the cinnamon vanilla swirl nicotine vapor! There is something you could do today to help reduce the health risks a large swath of the population is facing if they continue smoking cigarettes, if only you could see beyond your sponsors' pockets!"
 

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You also threw in a factoid (1000 mg of nicotine in an e-cigarette) that makes no sense and is more at home in a tabloid than in a Public Health statement. Noting that your little elementary school essay has no references, I wonder where you got that factoid from?... Given that an average gas station e-cigarette contains 1-2 ml of 12-24 mg/ml liquid, your factoid is a plain lie.

We all know where he got it. It was on the internet. "They're not allowed to say anything that isn't true on the internet." [Yes, there are people who actually believe this!]

I first saw the "1,000 mg of nicotine per cartridge" claim as a quote from some so-called public health "expert" in a news story. This quote turned up shortly after some other "expert" in a different news story warned about the potential poisoning danger of e-cigarettes that contain (and I quote) "pure nicotine." The "pure nicotine" theorist was apparently unaware that the liquid is a solution in which nicotine makes up a single-digit percent. If a cartridge was filled with 100% nicotine, and the cartridge in question holds ~one milliliter of a liquid that has approximately the same mass as water, the liquid in that cartridge would weigh 1,000 mg, because one milliliter of water weighs one gram (i.e. 1000 mg).

This is much like the game of "telephone." An actual researcher publishes some finding, which the newspapers misinterpret somewhat, or the PR department at the institution where the research was conducted spins the results in some way that sounds inflammatory so that the news outlets will pick up the story. Then citizens who serve on local boards of health (who might not have a medical background, or even some type of scientific training) read the news reports and misunderstood what they read. Next they are called by the local reporter looking for an "expert opinion" for their story. So by the time the ordinary citizen reads the story in the local newspaper and reads the quotes, the story has been twisted so much that the citizen comments on the story make such observations as "hundreds of people have died of nicotine poisoning because they used an e-cigarette." I'm making up this last "comment" having never actually read such words, but I wouldn't be surprised if I had.
 
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