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No obedience classes here. He can't be around too many other dogs, or people unfortunately. We were actually rejected by the trainers at my favorite pet place. They told us we needed a private trainer instead, as they were not qualified to deal with the fearfulness/aggression issues. And I can't afford the $600-$800 quoted by the other trainers in the area. 
We've been watching/following the Leerburg dog training videos. I need to get a few more of them. (Doing basic obedience, and pack leadership training) So far have had pretty good results, it's just that I don't have enough attention to dedicate to the training (hard to give 100% attention to dog when the kids have to be out with us) so it's taking longer than it should. The basic obedience is ok, just need more distration training to enforce it.
We've been watching/following the Leerburg dog training videos. I need to get a few more of them. (Doing basic obedience, and pack leadership training) So far have had pretty good results, it's just that I don't have enough attention to dedicate to the training (hard to give 100% attention to dog when the kids have to be out with us) so it's taking longer than it should. The basic obedience is ok, just need more distration training to enforce it.
Obedience, my dog has the obedience thing down pat, I'm trained to do whatever he wants.
Becareful with the obedience classes. If they advocate a prong collar...walk out IMMEDIATELY. Far too many trainers advocate these, and the only thing it did to my buddy was make him MORE aggressive! We went to a different class that used squirt bottles with water and vinegar.... worked like a charm. Now if he is mis-behaving all I have to do is say "SQUIRTBOTTLE!" and he falls back in line.
Back to holes in cartos for tanks.... I vape 70/30 just fine with one hole. I do go two twists after I hear the POP... so to widen the hole a bit.
She's gorgeous Mark
I hate to admit it but I never have worked Chase in obedience like I should. He's one of those spoiled, barking lap yappers that most of us don't like to see. He loves people so much that he goes bonkers when anyone comes over or he sees kids or other dogs
He's not a nipper or biter, just too happy to control himself LOL
My ex still has Cookie the Aussie, she 13 now!!
I hate to admit it but I never have worked Chase in obedience like I should. He's one of those spoiled, barking lap yappers that most of us don't like to see. He loves people so much that he goes bonkers when anyone comes over or he sees kids or other dogs
He's not a nipper or biter, just too happy to control himself LOLMy ex still has Cookie the Aussie, she 13 now!!
It's all matter of opinion on what is humane I suppose, and the difference in personality between dogs. I would never squirt my dog in the face with vinegar, but a prong is necessary for him. For our day to day walks, a prong does nothing more than remind him to be polite. I don't normally need to correct with a prong at all. However, when something triggers the aggression then I NEED the prong in order to snap him out of it. I have literally ripped his neck as hard as I could, and it did nothing to stop the behavior, or deter his attention from the person he was focused on. In contrast, it takes only a light pull on the prong to stop *any* behavior. Part of it might be that he is so small that only a light tug moves him, and doesn't give proper correction.
Part of the reason that I prong works for me I believe is that my dog is fear aggressive, not dominant aggressive. So a tug with the prong makes him fall back to defer to me, rather than triggering more aggression, or dominance issues. From a pack perspective, that would be the correct response. As pack leader, it is my job to correct him if he shows aggression that I did not approve. His response shoud be to step down and submit. If you dog is showing aggression at the prong collar, then it is probably likely that you have dominance issues that need to be addressed. Although fear is supposed to be harder to train a dog out of, I'm thankful I don't have to contend with dominance as well (because I know he is not going to hurt my kids, which i wouldn't be able to guarantee if he was determined he had authority over them).
At any rate, I consider the prong far more humane than alternately doing nothing. It literally is a life and death situation. If his agression is not controlled, then he *will* bite someone seriously, which will result in his death. I will do anything at all to insure that the behavior stops. The incident with him going after the neighbors dog was a real eye opener. I don't trust him off leash ever, and did not realize that we were actually having such good sucess with the training. I'm very proud of him.
Part of the reason that I prong works for me I believe is that my dog is fear aggressive, not dominant aggressive. So a tug with the prong makes him fall back to defer to me, rather than triggering more aggression, or dominance issues. From a pack perspective, that would be the correct response. As pack leader, it is my job to correct him if he shows aggression that I did not approve. His response shoud be to step down and submit. If you dog is showing aggression at the prong collar, then it is probably likely that you have dominance issues that need to be addressed. Although fear is supposed to be harder to train a dog out of, I'm thankful I don't have to contend with dominance as well (because I know he is not going to hurt my kids, which i wouldn't be able to guarantee if he was determined he had authority over them).
At any rate, I consider the prong far more humane than alternately doing nothing. It literally is a life and death situation. If his agression is not controlled, then he *will* bite someone seriously, which will result in his death. I will do anything at all to insure that the behavior stops. The incident with him going after the neighbors dog was a real eye opener. I don't trust him off leash ever, and did not realize that we were actually having such good sucess with the training. I'm very proud of him.
LOL Bovina- that's a lot of my issue too. Darwin's herd instinct and excitablilty are so strong that it makes cats, squirrels, heck, even wind blown leaves almost irrestable. If something moves, he must chase it, period. People or dogs, it's fear. Everything else he wants to chase.
Heh heh...we probably need to take this discussion to another thread.
You are correct. My dogs behavior was not fear related, but dominace and herding behavior. I did the prong collar training with him (with a certified trainer) until the day I went to correct him with the prong and he lashed out at me before I could correct him (he KNEW he was going to get a correction and so decided to correct me first).
The water and vinegar is a VERY diluted solution (one tablespoon to a large squirt bottle). It is more the smell they have an aversion to. funny thing is I have also used this method on my cats.... NONE of the cats scratch furniture now, or get on counters they are not "allowed" on. Really funny that if one animal is acting up...I get the squirt bottle out and all three (dog and two cats) sit immediately and squit thier eyes and sneeze at me (I need to take a picture of this...lol).
In the end I guess its whatever works. To me causing pain is not my way of training...but you are correct to..in that if all it takes is the pressure of the prong collar to bring the dog out of a fear aggression state, then thats good. With my dog I would litterally have to jerk him off his feet to have any affect.
You are correct. My dogs behavior was not fear related, but dominace and herding behavior. I did the prong collar training with him (with a certified trainer) until the day I went to correct him with the prong and he lashed out at me before I could correct him (he KNEW he was going to get a correction and so decided to correct me first).
The water and vinegar is a VERY diluted solution (one tablespoon to a large squirt bottle). It is more the smell they have an aversion to. funny thing is I have also used this method on my cats.... NONE of the cats scratch furniture now, or get on counters they are not "allowed" on. Really funny that if one animal is acting up...I get the squirt bottle out and all three (dog and two cats) sit immediately and squit thier eyes and sneeze at me (I need to take a picture of this...lol).
In the end I guess its whatever works. To me causing pain is not my way of training...but you are correct to..in that if all it takes is the pressure of the prong collar to bring the dog out of a fear aggression state, then thats good. With my dog I would litterally have to jerk him off his feet to have any affect.
JD is a gentleman. He loves everyone, Only does his thing in the kennel and not the lawn. Can be by himself all day and won't touch the garbage and when I eat he turns his back to me. Now if I could just teach him not to shed.
Let me know when you figure out how to train them about shedding!
I think I need one of those squirt bottles for my cat! I've used regular water , and he didn't even stop destroying the couch long enough to look at me.
I think I need one of those squirt bottles for my cat! I've used regular water , and he didn't even stop destroying the couch long enough to look at me.
Its the touch of vinegar that does it.... they HATE (dogs and cats) HATE the smell of it.
In fact I have used squirt bottles now with just water, and it has the same effect on them. I occasionally mix in vinegar...but thats the ticket, they never know what will have vinegar and what wont Again its like dealing with 4 yr olds ...lol
In fact I have used squirt bottles now with just water, and it has the same effect on them. I occasionally mix in vinegar...but thats the ticket, they never know what will have vinegar and what wont
Again its like dealing with 4 yr olds ...lol
I think we need a sticky for dog discussions.
Dogs don't like Apple Oil either.
If I am going to spray my dog int he face for doing somethign wrong, I use plain water. the apple oil gets sprayed around the area I want her to leave alone.
Dogs don't like Apple Oil either.
If I am going to spray my dog int he face for doing somethign wrong, I use plain water. the apple oil gets sprayed around the area I want her to leave alone.
LOL for the sticky.... a sub - forum for dog/cat training.
The trainer that had me use vinegar also suggested the apple oil but never sprayed on the animal as it was too strong.
The trainer that had me use vinegar also suggested the apple oil but never sprayed on the animal as it was too strong.
I was like, "are you serious?"
I used one of those beeping bark collars on Chase...he just learned how softly he could bark without setting it off LOL
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