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oh I just love that line.
Like they proved analogs are safe?
this must mean smokingeverywhere at the malls have to close down too.
Im serous it works. do some research you might just be surprisedLOBELIA!!!???
Hilarious!
Yeah, I imagine that e-cigs would be good seller when the carts are made from "pukeweed" and "vomitwort"
Considering its a purgative, it would give great new meaning to "heaving" on your M401!
edit: On second thought, this might be the way to convince the nannies that were not marketing flavors to kids!..
Hi Glimmer
It wouldn't surprise me. I've been exposed to the many medicinal uses of herbs, and I agree that its a science whose benefits are not utilized nearly as much as it should. My grandmother had Native American roots.
But that's the reason for my reaction. I remember when I was about seven, or so, once when I was staying with her. I was holding a paint tube in my teeth (to hold it while I opened up a different color) that then ruptured. For whatever reason she panicked (I recall them being acrylics), and she administered Vomitwort to me. The memory of the rest of that day is real hazy, namely because I spent the rest of it convulsing over and over again. It was about a day before I felt like eating again.
But its those memories, that when I read your post, had me nearly soil myself laughing yesterday afternoon when I thought of the possibilities.
Please, I meant no offense. I understand that if dosed, or refined properly, it might just work as a nicotine replacement. It's just one of those moments when my mind took off with the idea, and had me laughing.
omg if they ban this in chicago IL that would suck.
there taking away all the good ****. (in chicago)
weed.
spraypaint.
salvia.
hopefully not e cigs
open your eyes goverment.
ban analogs.
while ur at it, ban trans fats like on king of the hill.
there taking away all the good ****. (in chicago)
weed.
spraypaint.
salvia.
hopefully not e cigs
open your eyes goverment.
ban analogs.
while ur at it, ban trans fats like on king of the hill.
Drew...they increased the wine/spirt tax in NJ, why not go and ban e-cigs? That's something I can see Corazine doing. If e-cigs aren't safe, I'm sure the lawyers could have a field day on analogs.
That's over my friend... Go figure
Yeah we can see the real winners of the "Cold War" now. 8-o
Is the DAG going to ban the FDA approved Chantix? I mean the Big Pharm has settled and in the process of settling out class action suits for the drug driving people to suicide ..... I wish someone in the Government would just man up and say we want the whole pie instead of this horse and pony show.
Oregon has got to be (at least one of) the worst place(s) to be w/r/t smoking. The snobbery is unbearable. I am a newbie, and, ironically, I was prompted to research e-cigs after hearing in a brief radio blurb that they were banned from being sold by the Smoking Anywhere kiosks here -- which, upon a bit of research, SA was KIND OF "asking for it" w/ their "safe alternative" and "smoking cessation" marketing tactics -- hel-LO, this is OREGON, do not mutter those words if you don't want a magnifying glass on your every move!!!! Dumb****s.
So, have spent the weekend looking up stuff, and I want to give the e-cigs a try, for sure. Have learned a lot so far; looking forward to learning more.
Hello all, short time lurker, first time poster.
As I sit and stew every night while reading about the ensuing fall of e-cigarettes, I decided to sign up.
I've sent messages to several news sources with no replies (surprise there).
If anyone would like to give NOregon their 2 cents worth, here is the address along with my message to them.
ben.unger@state.or.us
Hello,
I was very confused with your recent actions against e-cigarettes. The following statement :
"When products threaten the health and safety of Oregonians, we will take action," said Mary Williams, Deputy Attorney General. "If companies want to sell electronic cigarettes to consumers, they have to be able to prove they are safe."
is about as hypocritical as I have ever seen. You ban e-cigarettes, and keep tobacco cigarettes legal? Makes perfect sense to.....no one but you I guess.
I will not argue the point, but have some some handy websites for you to look at. Real research, imagine that. Please take a look at them and rethink your decision.
There are thousands of people in your state that are going to die this year due to cigarette smoking, and you've basically told them that the money they bring in is more important than their lives. There are also hundreds of thousands more that
know what you are doing, and will let you know about it come election time. I for one, will do my best to keep reminding them of your "concern" for their health.
I'm not from Oregon, and at this time I'm quite pleased with that as you are the most embarrassing state in the union. I can't let you know how I feel about your decision come election time, but I can tell you that my trip to Oregon in 2010 (Tillamook for Salmon, been going there every other year for over 10 years now) has been cancelled. You'll not get a cent of my money.
Please read, and try to understand (read the whole thing, not just the bit on Oregon).
thanks
jim
As I sit and stew every night while reading about the ensuing fall of e-cigarettes, I decided to sign up.
I've sent messages to several news sources with no replies (surprise there).
If anyone would like to give NOregon their 2 cents worth, here is the address along with my message to them.
ben.unger@state.or.us
Hello,
I was very confused with your recent actions against e-cigarettes. The following statement :
"When products threaten the health and safety of Oregonians, we will take action," said Mary Williams, Deputy Attorney General. "If companies want to sell electronic cigarettes to consumers, they have to be able to prove they are safe."
is about as hypocritical as I have ever seen. You ban e-cigarettes, and keep tobacco cigarettes legal? Makes perfect sense to.....no one but you I guess.
I will not argue the point, but have some some handy websites for you to look at. Real research, imagine that. Please take a look at them and rethink your decision.
There are thousands of people in your state that are going to die this year due to cigarette smoking, and you've basically told them that the money they bring in is more important than their lives. There are also hundreds of thousands more that
know what you are doing, and will let you know about it come election time. I for one, will do my best to keep reminding them of your "concern" for their health.
I'm not from Oregon, and at this time I'm quite pleased with that as you are the most embarrassing state in the union. I can't let you know how I feel about your decision come election time, but I can tell you that my trip to Oregon in 2010 (Tillamook for Salmon, been going there every other year for over 10 years now) has been cancelled. You'll not get a cent of my money.
Please read, and try to understand (read the whole thing, not just the bit on Oregon).
thanks
jim
It's much, much more complicated than that. Our population is aging, meaning sicker people who cannot work and also who require more resources in the form of health care. Tobacco use complicates the picture. If smokers were all to suddenly die from a massive heart attack or stroke at an age where their productivity declines and their usage of health care servies start to increase, then smoking would increase the amount of resources, and decrease the amount needed to care for the ailing population. This was more common in the past when there were more smokers and less medical technology to be able to save them to live a life of need but nonproductivity.
However, most of smoking related illnesses are not that drastic. It commonly leads to less drastic cardiovascular disease, cancers, and other problems, which allows the person to live, but not work, and to use up resources.
You would have to stop all behavior leading to the development of expensive illnesses that lead to a nonproductive, resource consuming life, including smoking, obesity, physical inactivity, alcohol and drug usage, and poor dietary choices for your numbers to mean anything.
Good statement, reply, and well-written. But I have to counteract that by observing the Japanese culture. They have the best longevity on the planet and a great quality of life. We don't need to kill our citizens for profit. There are better avenues.
Also, the average income in Qatar is higher than America. We've got it all wrong.
You make a strong argument. I don't deny that America has made this issue complicated. It doesn't need to be though. It's complicated for the wrong reason, cause and effect.
If we invest in a healthier population, adults live longer, work longer, and pay taxes longer. That in itself is beneficial and more supple than tobacco taxes. Instead, we as Americans want everything INSTANT and NOW. Which is why parents give children microwave food, go on diet pills, liposuction, etc. Then tobacco taxes of course are the easiest form of instant income and therefore a valued asset.
Anything worth while takes patience and perseverance.
I was just in Oregon and was able to buy replacements for my Envy Bliss at a small tobacco shop. I am not sure what is going on in that state, but I am hoping that it doesnt infect the other states.
But really, I read the AG press release and it does not acutally state it is a state-wide ban, but merely a ban on the the travel centers it filed settlements against. Does anyone know extactly what the wording is and if it is really just more dumb@$$ reporters who got edumicated at some internet school with a major in "writin stuff".
Anyway, I think it is being spun.
But really, I read the AG press release and it does not acutally state it is a state-wide ban, but merely a ban on the the travel centers it filed settlements against. Does anyone know extactly what the wording is and if it is really just more dumb@$$ reporters who got edumicated at some internet school with a major in "writin stuff".
Anyway, I think it is being spun.
There is no ban in Oregon, see this post:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ning-oregon-e-cigarette-sales.html#post467806
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ning-oregon-e-cigarette-sales.html#post467806
We have the same here in Minnesota. The city of St. Paul excluded electronic cigarettes from their smoking ban. It's still up to the individual companies to decide if they want to permit it, but it's better than being chalked up to the same rules that apply to tobacco cigarettes.
You make a GREAT point grimmer... though without being able to give someone a good reason to buy a "personal vaporizer" such as your e-vape as suggested... well, it would be hard to sell one without comparing it to a tobacco cigarette, which leads us right to the sales pitch that has gotten the e-cig in trouble in the first place... Health Claims. We know the obvious which is less toxins, no combustion, and no stink. The problem is NOT the E-cig itself, but rather the "unknowns" about the e-liquids we put into them. Different manufacturers, different ingredients, and then there are those of us that do advanced mixing of the e-liquids and flavors which are not controlled by anyone but ourselves in our homes. Not to many will try to alter the amount of nicotine or flavoring in a tobacco cigarette before they smoke it... the stronger concern is "where did I leave my lighter".
I just came across this thread, and I am not surprised. First, Oregon gets insane amounts of revenue from tobacco sales. It is illegal there to bring/import/purchase tobacco from anywhere else other than they state of Oregon. You can't even go across the river to Vancouver for dinner and buy a pack of smokes while you're there and bring them back. I use to buy Panter Blue cigars from Florida and have them shipped because they were half the price and 1/10 the hassle.
The other things is that Oregon bans/controls anything that might be deemed "harmful." They implemented a law that school zones would be strictly enforced 24/7/365. Pretty soon, you will not be able to leave your house there without wearing a helmet and government approval. That is why I got the f@#$ out of that state!
The other things is that Oregon bans/controls anything that might be deemed "harmful." They implemented a law that school zones would be strictly enforced 24/7/365. Pretty soon, you will not be able to leave your house there without wearing a helmet and government approval. That is why I got the f@#$ out of that state!
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