Ouch, refilled carts are gettin' HOT

[JuicedFlavors-Keith]

Just wondered if anyone has refilled to the point where the carts start getting REAAAAALY hot? I'm guessing the ones that are having that issue are end of life, has anyone found a way to revive the carts that have this issue? The new ones seem to stay cool no matter how much I vape on them.

Thanks,

Keith

 

[EDO]

If you overfill then the liquid boils and causes the cart to really get hot. So blow out or use a napkin to wipe a way excess liquid. Also if the atomizer is close to the walls of the carts...that will also cause it to get really hot. IF that is the case, then use a toothpick to move it to the center of the catridge. If you have refilled the cart many times...then the cart over heats because it is near the end of it life (so much gunk builds up that it cause the ato to overheat).

 

[JuicedFlavors-Keith]

If you overfill then the liquid boils and causes the cart to really get hot. So blow out or use a napkin to wipe a way excess liquid. Also if the atomizer is close to the walls of the carts...that will also cause it to get really hot. IF that is the case, then use a toothpick to move it to the center of the catridge. If you have refilled the cart many times...then the cart over heats because it is near the end of it life (so much gunk builds up that it cause the ato to overheat).

Thanks for the tips, oddly enough I had a brand new cart that I refilled the first time today. It was fine until refilled the first time. After the first refill it became just as hot as the others that I referenced. Am I doing something wrong? I am refilling with Nobacco, 3-5 drops. I also noted that when it gets really hot the flavor seems to disappear , perhaps that's a hint as to whats occurring. I'm quite perplexed as some of the other carts I have had no issues with refills, now all the sudden they all have issues...

Keith

 

[emsmom]

3 drops sounds pretty light to me. Depending on how dry you let your carts get? I usually add around 8-10 drops if the cart is really dry? Good luck.

 

[JuicedFlavors-Keith]

I've tried more and less, today I just topped off with a few drops and the hotness began. It's the chocolate juice from VL4 I'm using... I'm gonna let the carts sit for a bit and see if things improve, perhaps I'm topping off too quickly and overfilling? Dunno.... any more ideas?

Keith

 

[emsmom]

Have you tried any other juice other than the chocolate? Are other juices doing the same thing? I seem to recall reading that chocolate is a darker heavy juice and some have had issues with it clogging their atomizers, not V4L specifically, other brands. Is this a darker juice or light in color? I thought I heard that the V4L chocolate is pretty light in color? One of the few I haven't tried, sorry. Only other thing I can think of - have you blown out your atomizer? You could have juice accumulated in the atomizer? That is if you are using a standard model, not the VK. You are right about the super high heat killing off the flavor - it will in a heartbeat! Have you noticed that the draw has become harder? Are you talking about Vapor King carts? If so, how many days have you been running these atomizers? If you are using VK carts, may have the answer for you?

 

[JuicedFlavors-Keith]

They are VK's... The chocolate is about the darkest juice have tried, it tastes great, but perhaps it's not friendly with atomizers. My guess is that in my efforts to relieve myself of the factory fluid I'm overfilling them and therefore overheating the device. I'm going to try to "vape them out" and see if I can restore their previous glory. With my three pieces I use a hypo to fill, yet with this you can't really see.. I drip and it goes in really well, perhaps too well . I'll also try avoiding the Chocolate (yet it does taste great) and see if that helps too... further suggestions are invited and welcomed!

Keith

Have you tried any other juice other than the chocolate? Are other juices doing the same thing? I seem to recall reading that chocolate is a darker heavy juice and some have had issues with it clogging their atomizers, not V4L specifically, other brands. Is this a darker juice or light in color? I thought I heard that the V4L chocolate is pretty light in color? One of the few I haven't tried, sorry. Only other thing I can think of - have you blown out your atomizer? You could have juice accumulated in the atomizer? That is if you are using a standard model, not the VK. You are right about the super high heat killing off the flavor - it will in a heartbeat! Have you noticed that the draw has become harder? Are you talking about Vapor King carts? If so, how many days have you been running these atomizers? If you are using VK carts, may have the answer for you?

 

[emsmom]

You are using VK carts right? I am guessing that you are at a point where you have refilled all your carts for around 4-5 days now? Maybe more? For sure the VK carts take a lot more than just a few drops to refill!! I give mine at least 10 drops! If these are overfilled, the excess will just run out. Let us know what day you think the carts are on, this is probably the issue. Yes, you can refill these carts, but I have noticed that the older they get, the harder the draw and the hotter it runs after refilling. I have found that right after refilling, the draw can be extremely hard and the cart gets quite hot. I just keep vaping, taking enough breaks that I won't start a fire (letting it cool down), then usually, after awhile, it gets settled back in and vapes like a dream again, not like a new cart but still quite nice. The older the cart gets the longer it takes to get it settled back in and for the draw to lighten up some and the cart to stop getting as hot. I am guessing that you have circulated your carts and they are all at the same stage/age now? Maybe it is the heat that eventually kills these disposables if you keep them going? These were meant for single usage, though I can't see tossing a unit that still works If you have used a 901 and have refilled many times, you see that the filling loses its ability to absorb, that is when you either get a new cart or put in new filling. With the VK I am sure the same thing happens, the filler just doesn't absorb and distribute the way it did at first because the heat has messed with the fibers. I have used these carts up to 6 days, but by the 5th to 6th day, they get pretty fussy. I have found that overfilling the cart until I have some coming out the other end, then letting it sit for at least 10 minutes so any excess drains off, then vaping again usually will get it working ok. It will run hot for a while, but adding a couple more drops after some good hits, will usually get it vaping well again, not running so hot that you kill any flavor and not having to draw so hard. When any of these run really hot, they burn thru the juice like crazy, so remember to keep up with the replacement. Hope this has helped.

 

[emsmom]

I used to fill these with a syringe too, but have now found that it is not only easier, but a lot less messy, to refill these from the atomizer hole, not the other end. I know, you think juice will get everywhere, at least I did, or it will screw something up. It doesn't! I just put it in drop by drop and it sucks it right in and up! Just let it sit for about 5minutes before vaping to really let it get into the fibers evenly. You will also be able to tell this way if you are overfilling, as any excess will come out the other end. So have the cart on some paper towel. I have found that around 10 drops never has any excess coming out the other end. I am guessing that even though you think you have overfilled, you are actually pretty dry from it running so hot. I usually will add a couple more drops after vaping it a bit and then it will usually run nicely, no longer hot and nice draw again. Let us know if this works.

 

[Danny H]

if you refill the cart from the mouthpiece end you will find two plastic rings. If the clear ring is not pushed down far enough it will get hot.

The ring that is inside is used to create a small air pocket between the mouthpiece and the cotton and the air pocket will stay cool. If the inside plastic is not pushed down far enough to create an air pocket then the heat will rise to the top and on you lips.

So you need a pic or do you understand?

 

[ladybug0570]

What I have figured out is:

I can not use Quantum juice at all to re-fill the VK, it sizzles and gets SUPER hot!

With Vapor4Life juice refill I have to be careful not to take to many drags in a row because it will heat up.

However I have had NO problems so far with Johnson Creeks Juice. I have Lorann candy flavoring mixed in with all my Johnson creek stuff because I like tons of flavor. But there has been zero heating up problems on the VK. I have used the peach, Chocolate Almond, Vanilla Ice cream, Strawberry. The VK behaves well!

So, each Juice manufacture must use a different recipe the Quantum juice was horrible in the VK. It sizzled like a steak!

Bug

 

[PLSChows]

This is weird (or maybe not). I tend to overfill my carts. I've been using a syringe and putting in about .6 ml - .8 ml to a dry cart (I thought I read somewhere that they're filled with 1.1 ml's from the factory). When I use the batteries from my first kit (black ones) the carts work great. When I use the new batteries from my second kit (silver), harder draw than the black ones, the carts get so hot they burn my lip. I've taken the same cart and switched from silver to black and back again to test to make sure the only thing different is the battery.

I've tried refilling from both ends in the past and found it faster using the syringe. I always (almost always..lol) let them sit overnight before vaping. I'm going to try filling from the battery end tonight and see if it makes a difference. I'll update when I have results.

I just tried pushing the clear ring further down as was suggested and it does make a difference but it still runs hotter on the silver battery than the black one. I guess more air with the black one (easier draw) keeps it cooler.

My guess is all these things (overfilling, clear ring placement, battery) make a difference in how hot the refilled carts get.

 

[JuicedFlavors-Keith]

Thanks to everyone for the great feedback, I will be trying some of these things. My big issue with my VK at this point is both of my batteries went belly up, Steve was supposed to send me a replacement over the weekend with a cart order and it appears that something got screwed up, only carts, no new battery as promised. Back to my 510 for the time being...

Keith

 

[EDO]

What I have figured out is:

I can not use Quantum juice at all to re-fill the VK, it sizzles and gets SUPER hot!

With Vapor4Life juice refill I have to be careful not to take to many drags in a row because it will heat up.

However I have had NO problems so far with Johnson Creeks Juice. I have Lorann candy flavoring mixed in with all my Johnson creek stuff because I like tons of flavor. But there has been zero heating up problems on the VK. I have used the peach, Chocolate Almond, Vanilla Ice cream, Strawberry. The VK behaves well!

So, each Juice manufacture must use a different recipe the Quantum juice was horrible in the VK. It sizzled like a steak!

Bug

The JC juice is a lot thinner than most other juices so it would make sense for it to work better with the VK. Too bad I don't have any left.

 

[Roadmaster]

I originally used a syringe I got from JC but found that it really is much easier to fill using drops. Plus I think drops seem to spread out more than injecting even if I leave it overnight. I have about 30 carts and occasionally run across one that gets hot and just figured it was a bad manufacture. I also had a couple that were empty and a couple that were overfilled (bubbly). Overall most work fine. The girl filling them in the factory video must just get tired occasionally! I have had several that have worked for 3 or 4 days. Not bad for "disposable"! I am supplementing my VK juices with JC. Seems to work fine for me, even though I will be glad when Mbaro and Hilton are back in stock with VK. What a tough business to be in right now! Still, I have not had a cigarette since My VK arrived back in March! There is no going back! Lots of good infgormation on these posts and I think we are all trying to figure out how to keep going till things get sorted out. I know Steve is working hard for us, and I just hope he doesn't over do it. We have emailed a few times and I couldn't ask for a supplier to do more for me under these circumstances. All the best Steve!

Forgot to mention! I keep my carts with the plastic caps on. Not only easier to carry around but I really do think it helps to keep them from drying out. Keep your caps! It was a great idea to package with them.

Gregg

 

[Blue Knight Max]

There is alot more info here as well with regards to refilling, carts getting hot etc.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/vapor4life/13035-how-do-you-refill-vapor-king.html

Let's all try to keep this sub-forum as organized as possible