Motorcity, I know you're trying to be "cute" but are you are aware of nicotine suppositories? They are patented. No, I have no personal history to relate. Yes, you're welcome to try one.
Overdose nicotine risk ?
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No ... your reaction is about what is to be expected. If you used 24mg liquid, you were getting about 1/6th the nicotine you would get by puffing a cigarette an equal number of times. So you would need to suck vapor six times as often as inhaling a cigarette to become "normal". I can't imagine overdosing on e-smoking alone.
But, as you note, we're all different and maybe some bodies go bonkers after e-smoking. Mine just wants a snus or Stonewall. Nicotine addiction is not quelled, but habit is satisfied at seeing the vapor exhaled.
But, as you note, we're all different and maybe some bodies go bonkers after e-smoking. Mine just wants a snus or Stonewall. Nicotine addiction is not quelled, but habit is satisfied at seeing the vapor exhaled.
I suck 24-36 mg constantly all day on my 6 rivas and egos. When it gets in my mouth all the time, I enjoy the taste and then wipe it off only cause I'm supposed to, but that juice is everywhere, on my shirt, my sleeves, mouth, skin. I'm trying to OD but I just feel great! I haven't had an anxiety attack since I started vaping months ago. I guess that's the answer. If you feel way too good, you might be vaping too much.
This thread is entertaining lol. Bob basically said that Cigarettes were completely safe because the FDA approves of them. That is one of the most absurd comments i've ever heard haha. I actually LOL'd when I read his post haha.
Sure you could OD on nicotine, if you DRANK a 60ml bottle of 24mg juice, you'd probably die, or you'd puke and live in agony for a while. As for smoking, according to the good old professionals, you'd have to smoke 500 whole, full flavored ciggs, within 20 minutes to actually die. Which is physically impossible because you'd suffocate (or just pass out) long before you ever got that far.
Vaping can deliver more nicotine than cigs themselves, and people DO vape for longer, but as far as I can tell the worst side effects people have gotten from vaping are the following, in order of likelyhood:
1. Headache, see #3, but can be caused by the nicotine itself, also caused by carto's that don't wick VG, attys that break, batteries that die, and other various technical issues in addition to the obvious.
2. Sore throat, also see #3
3. DEHYDRATION because you're exhaling moisture from your lungs and throat.
4. Dizzyness. If you've ever smoked an analog after hours of not smoking, you know exactly the dizzyness I'm talking about. It's called a Nic buzz.
There ya go. I left out my favorite side effect of vaping, and that's bulimia of the wallet.
Vaping can deliver more nicotine than cigs themselves, and people DO vape for longer, but as far as I can tell the worst side effects people have gotten from vaping are the following, in order of likelyhood:
1. Headache, see #3, but can be caused by the nicotine itself, also caused by carto's that don't wick VG, attys that break, batteries that die, and other various technical issues in addition to the obvious.
2. Sore throat, also see #3
3. DEHYDRATION because you're exhaling moisture from your lungs and throat.
4. Dizzyness. If you've ever smoked an analog after hours of not smoking, you know exactly the dizzyness I'm talking about. It's called a Nic buzz.
There ya go. I left out my favorite side effect of vaping, and that's bulimia of the wallet.
What is the source of this information?
The research consistently reports that there is significnatly less nicotine in each puff of vapor compared to a puff of smoke.
That being said, taking in too much nicotine tends to be self-correcting. Most folks stop vaping (or smoking, or eating, for that matter) when they start to feel nauseated or dizzy. And at that point, the dose is far below lethal.
What happens when we introduce maois into e liquid? Does nic OD then become a possibility? I see a few people are working on getting these maois into e juice. What happens when people add maois to their juice and then vape at 24mg like usual, but this time around the maois are preventing the body from breaking down the nicotine? Just wondering.
You simply adjust. Use less or lower the nicotine level. As a whole tobacco alkaloid liquid would likely be a good deal more satisfying for many, if not most people, it would very likely make doing to much nicotine less likely because many people now are over compensating for the lack of MAOI's by doing to much nicotine. Kind of like eating white bread as opposed to whole wheat. The whole wheat is more filling so you eat less.
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Remember everyone, this thread was started by a "troll", who only stayed around long enough to post 4 or 5 anti vaping posts and then disappeared. Why don't we let this die.
Good answer by Stubby.
Should add that MAO inhibitors help sustain the effects of nicotine (neurotransmitter lifetimes, such as dopamine), not the nicotine itself.
Unless one understands the biochemistry very well and can do the relevant calculations, that MAOIs are not all the same, etc, one shouldn't dabble in home-made e-liquids by adding herbal tinctures. A smarter approach is to see if herbal teas, say, help at all, as teas (this was my original post on this, but somehow became misremembered by another as meaning adding to e-liquid. 1 drop passion flower tincture per ml e-liquid would be what I would try if anything; though I haven't yet and I really don't recommend it.
Also, stress is not the same as depression and i wouldn't recommend St John's Wort for our purposes, though it may well be useful for people with depression.
My main suggestion for people edgy with nicotine-only vaping is to try a high-dose B-vitamin family supplement and reduce caffeine consumption. And not to feel a failure if you need a few smokes, though snus or snuff would be a better choice.
wv2win - just needed to sum up a few things.
Always remember to keep e-liquids, even just carts, locked up away from children. This is the risk situation with e-liquids.
Should add that MAO inhibitors help sustain the effects of nicotine (neurotransmitter lifetimes, such as dopamine), not the nicotine itself.
Unless one understands the biochemistry very well and can do the relevant calculations, that MAOIs are not all the same, etc, one shouldn't dabble in home-made e-liquids by adding herbal tinctures. A smarter approach is to see if herbal teas, say, help at all, as teas (this was my original post on this, but somehow became misremembered by another as meaning adding to e-liquid. 1 drop passion flower tincture per ml e-liquid would be what I would try if anything; though I haven't yet and I really don't recommend it.
Also, stress is not the same as depression and i wouldn't recommend St John's Wort for our purposes, though it may well be useful for people with depression.
My main suggestion for people edgy with nicotine-only vaping is to try a high-dose B-vitamin family supplement and reduce caffeine consumption. And not to feel a failure if you need a few smokes, though snus or snuff would be a better choice.
wv2win - just needed to sum up a few things.
Always remember to keep e-liquids, even just carts, locked up away from children. This is the risk situation with e-liquids.
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I know nicotine lessens the effects of caffeine (or reduces its presence in the body at least, not sure of the scientific explanation). Is that the main reason you suggest that, or is there another reaction w/ caffeine and nicotine-only vaping?
I stopped all nicotine AND caffeine for about three days last January (not sure why, think I wanted to convince myself I could survive without them). On the third day I bought a Starbucks energy drink, which has massive amounts of caffeine in it, and I went flying. Was pretty incredible, I don't think I had experienced a true caffeine buzz in a long, long time.
Whenever I consciously use less nicotine I always find myself overcompensating with coffee/caffeine and I always overdo it and feel anxious afterwards.
Well. nicotine is sort of a upper and downer, in that order perhaps, whereas WTA is something more ideal - an upper and downer at same time : more focus, less edginess.
Caffeine is an out and out upper; one really doesn;t want too much of it; de-caff is a good choice (at least post first hit). Or tea, which is more rounded with its theanine content.
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While a smoke might well be more ;addictive', i think caffeine is the more potent (at least once is sensitised to both) and beyonf the morning boot-up, is probably best avoided (though coffee contains some useful anti-oxidants, hence the de-caff suggestion; works for me).
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In other words, I think smoking is primarily a 'downer' (anti-stress) - though with a beneficial focus angle (its 'upper' side); excess caffeine interferes with that - it is a potent effect that is easily over-done.
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'upper' makes it sound too good - instead think stimulant / heart racing / overblown; i really suggest dont use it (caffeine) beyond first thing in morning.
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Now I heard it all, dang, BACK TO SMOKES then. I want a refund of this e-poop-cig thing. Hmmmmm lmao
I definitely agree with that. Maybe not so much to do with potency (I don't know how to technically compare the two), but at least longer lasting ill effects in sensitive users from caffeine (like myself). With nicotine (analogs/snus) if I feel I've overdone it, I just wait a little while and any ill effects dissipate in a short amount of time (e-cigs are a different story, they can give me headaches and a tight chest that last for a while if I overdo it, a lot more variable in my system, still figuring it out).
If I get an unusually strong black coffee from one of the coffee chains, that can stick with me through the rest of the day. Lots of feeling anxious for many hours guaranteed. I've taken to using my espresso machine at home to get consistent, small doses of the stuff!
Yes there is a chance of nicotine overdose as with any NRT. I had it happen to me the first time I tried e-cigs at 36mg. I was smoking a pack a day I don't know how it happened. It did not kill me nor did I have to go the the hospital, just sick for a couple hours. And bob please show respect for other forum members. While we might not all agree on everything it is important to remember that we are all working together to basically quit smoking. And there's a lot of success here. There is no need to start fights. I think it is reasonable to ask health questions regarding e-cigs, but you don't need to a address every health myth there is. It does make you seem like a troll, and attacking another member doesn't help your case.
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I know this thread has gotten old and spans back to 2009 but I must interject here and say that I REGULARLY get elevated nicotine levels if I am not careful with how much I vape. I don't know what's happening to my body but there was a time I could vape 18 mg all dayas often as I wanted.
Not so anymore. I don't know if it's better quality liquids and higher voltage mods that deliver more vapor, but if I don't moderate my vaping I will most surely get elevated nicotine levels that will make me feel sick, sometimes even before the morning is out. On a few occasions my nic levels have been so high it's taken 2 or 3 days to return to normal and during that time I've had to slow my vaping right down to get over it.
At first I thought it was the 24 mg liquid so I dropped to 18mg but the problem keeps reoccuring if I have vaped frequently during the day.
Anthony
I WISH I could vape all day but I can't.
Anthony
More people die every year of overdose of dihydrogen monoxide than nicotine. Should dihydrogen monoxide be banned? hmmm.
More people die every year of overdose of dihydrogen monoxide than nicotine. Should dihydrogen monoxide be banned? hmmm.
I don't really know what the theme is on the thread to answer that question. My comment was specifically to address the issue of elevated nicotine levels and our susceptibility to it rather than any inference of danger of nicotine causing death.
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