PEG a new ingredient, instead of PG and VG

[Lithium1330]

Nasty.

This exactly why it annoys the HELL out of me that everybody buys juice from the same 2 or 3 or 4 factories and sticks their own name on it. I want to KNOW what I'm buying.
Exactly for this reason. Royalsmokers publishes an ingredient list too, and it's PG based. I want that. E-CIG juice kills whatever you put it in. I don't want that. PEG wrecks your kidneys and does something weird to your cells. I'll pass on that too.

You shouldn't have to GUESS if Rookie Yook, oRangiYan, Rippie juice, etc etc etc is Royal Smokers RY4. And take your chances. With your equipment, or your life.

No store buys cases of Coca Cola and puts "Yippee Cola" on them. Because when you want to buy a Coke, you don't want to play "guess the contents". Stores don't do that. It's ridiculous.

And guess what, it is *OUR* fault for buying it, sight unseen, mystery contents, go ahead and let me stick that in my lungs. Whoops, there goes a kidney. OMG.

For a chemical that you are *ingesting* it is beyond reason for resellers to "relabel" this stuff as their own, and not provide documentation as to what it is. No other industry does this. And if nic-juice was an official food item, or pharma item, it would even be ILLEGAL every country I know of.

Here you go - challenge to resellers. TELL US WHAT YOU ARE SELLING US.

Repeat sales come from service, quality, and prices.... that's the magic formula.

Not by having the "coolest" name on your "top secret" juice. That's just wrong.

That's my opinion.... anybody agree?

Agreed we need to know what is in it but ALSO we need to know if what is in it is safe, things has to be done right and we need to stop hiding in the bushes fearing a massive ban when we are risking our lifes and manufacturers and suppliers are making money of it, hard but truth.

And please don't get me wrong the truth is that WE as consumers are guilty of this mess, I love e-cigarettes but a lot of things are being done the wrong way from all of us.

 

[thomzen69]

Hi just got an email from sedansa , they are also useing PEG 400.

I have tried them an they do smoke alot, have a good taste also, but now i worry about them.

Like some of you say we know PG, but is PEG 400 more safe?

Sedansa say it is but is it?

 

[jamie]

You shouldn't have to GUESS if Rookie Yook, oRangiYan, Rippie Juice, etc etc etc is Royal Smokers RY4.

Here you go - challenge to resellers. TELL US WHAT YOU ARE SELLING US.

That's my opinion.... anybody agree?

Just saw this today - yes, agree!

 

[TropicalBob]

Guess what, RjG. I also agree. You have properly spread the blame, too. The present situation is untenable.

 

[SilverBraids]

I know that this is currently unregulated by the FDA, and to be perfectly honest, maybe that's the problmem with Big Tobacco is the fact they do not have to disclose exactly what is in thier product. For example: Try buying a box of ceral, a can of corn, or any food item and look for an ingrediant list. Most times it's something simple. Corn, Salt, Water. Others, it's more complex. tetra-ethel-poly-nonoctobunal-3 and EDTA #4, Yellow Lake #5, etc. etc. You don't get that on analogs, and without that information, even though it's publicly available and public information, you have to DIG for it. This is a consious descision by the manufacturer. When the manufacturer is the supplier, it gives a double shot to the lack of care for customer's health. So I ask this: Give us a list. In this, the glorious internet age, we can look up for ourselves the exact harm that a list of ingrediants will do to us in any amount. If we do not, then it is OUR choice to disregard the health hazards. Make it OUR choice. Don't think you can read our minds and tell us it's safe when in fact it may not be. Make it safe. Make a list of what you have. If it's as safe as you say, I'll buy it. And use it. Repeatedly. /soapbox

 

[Houdini]

Worried about PEG and weather it's healthy to inhale or not? Kinda funny when we knew for how long what's in a regular cigarette and didn't mind smoking that for years. Oh, here's the list and its a long one.
* Acetanisole,
* Acetic Acid,
* Acetoin,
* Acetophenone,
* 6-Acetoxydihydrotheaspirane,
* 2-Acetyl-3- Ethylpyrazine,
* 2-Acetyl-5-Methylfuran,
* Acetylpyrazine,
* 2-Acetylpyridine,
* 3-Acetylpyridine,
* 2-Acetylthiazole,
* Aconitic Acid,
* dl-Alanine,
* Alfalfa Extract,
* Allspice Extract,
* Oleoresin,
* And Oil,
* Allyl Hexanoate,
* Allyl Ionone,
* Almond Bitter Oil,
* Ambergris Tincture,
* Ammonia,

* Ammonium Bicarbonate,
* Ammonium Hydroxide,
* Ammonium Phosphate Dibasic,
* Ammonium Sulfide,
* Amyl Alcohol,
* Amyl Butyrate,
* Amyl Formate,
* Amyl Octanoate,
* alpha-Amylcinnamaldehyde,
* Amyris Oil,
* trans-Anethole,
* Angelica Root Extract, Oil and Seed Oil,
* Anise,
* Anise Star, Extract and Oils,
* Anisyl Acetate,
* Anisyl Alcohol,
* Anisyl Formate,
* Anisyl Phenylacetate,
* Apple Juice Concentrate, Extract, and Skins,
* Apricot Extract and Juice Concentrate,
* 1-Arginine,
* Asafetida Fluid Extract And Oil,
* Ascorbic Acid,
* 1-Asparagine Monohydrate,
* 1-Aspartic Acid,
* Balsam Peru and Oil,
* Basil Oil,
* Bay Leaf, Oil and Sweet Oil,
* Beeswax White,
* Beet Juice Concentrate,
* Benzaldehyde,
* Benzaldehyde Glyceryl Acetal,
* Benzoic Acid, Benzoin,
* Benzoin Resin,
* Benzophenone,
* Benzyl Alcohol,
* Benzyl Benzoate,
* Benzyl Butyrate,
* Benzyl Cinnamate,
* Benzyl Propionate,
* Benzyl Salicylate,
* Bergamot Oil,
* Bisabolene,
* Black Currant Buds Absolute,
* Borneol,
* Bornyl Acetate,
* Buchu Leaf Oil,
* 1,3-Butanediol,
* 2,3-Butanedione,
* 1-Butanol,
* 2-Butanone,
* 4(2-Butenylidene)-3,5,5-Trimethyl-2-Cyclohexen-1-One,
* Butter, Butter Esters, and Butter Oil,
* Butyl Acetate,
* Butyl Butyrate,
* Butyl Butyryl Lactate,
* Butyl Isovalerate,
* Butyl Phenylacetate,
* Butyl Undecylenate,
* 3-Butylidenephthalide,
* Butyric Acid,
* Cadinene,
* Caffeine,
* Calcium Carbonate,
* Camphene,
* Cananga Oil,
* Capsicum Oleoresin,
* Caramel Color,
* Caraway Oil,
* Carbon Dioxide,
* Cardamom Oleoresin, Extract, Seed Oil, and Powder,
* Carob Bean and Extract,
* beta-Carotene,
* Carrot Oil,
* Carvacrol,
* 4-Carvomenthenol,
* 1-Carvone,
* beta-Caryophyllene,
* beta-Caryophyllene Oxide,
* Cascarilla Oil and Bark Extract,
* Cassia Bark Oil,
* Cassie Absolute and Oil,
* Castoreum Extract, Tincture and Absolute,
* Cedar Leaf Oil,
* Cedarwood Oil Terpenes and Virginiana,
* Cedrol,
* Celery Seed Extract, Solid, Oil, And Oleoresin,
* Cellulose Fiber,
* Chamomile Flower Oil And Extract,
* Chicory Extract,
* Chocolate,
* Cinnamaldehyde,
* Cinnamic Acid,
* Cinnamon Leaf Oil, Bark Oil, and Extract,
* Cinnamyl Acetate,
* Cinnamyl Alcohol,
* Cinnamyl Cinnamate,
* Cinnamyl Isovalerate,
* Cinnamyl Propionate,
* Citral,
* Citric Acid,
* Citronella Oil,
* dl-Citronellol,
* Citronellyl Butyrate,
* Citronellyl Isobutyrate,
* Civet Absolute,
* Clary Oil,
* Clover Tops, Red Solid Extract,
* Cocoa,
* Cocoa Shells, Extract, Distillate And Powder,
* Coconut Oil,
* Coffee,
* Cognac White and Green Oil,
* Copaiba Oil,
* Coriander Extract and Oil,
* Corn Oil,
* Corn Silk,
* Costus Root Oil,
* Cubeb Oil,
* Cuminaldehyde,
* para-Cymene,
* 1-Cysteine,
* Dandelion Root Solid Extract,
* Davana Oil,
* 2-trans, 4-trans-Decadienal,
* delta-Decalactone,
* gamma-Decalactone,
* Decanal,
* Decanoic Acid,
* 1-Decanol,
* 2-Decenal,
* Dehydromenthofurolactone,
* Diethyl Malonate,
* Diethyl Sebacate,
* 2,3-Diethylpyrazine,
* Dihydro Anethole,
* 5,7-Dihydro-2-Methylthieno(3,4-D) Pyrimidine,
* Dill Seed Oil and Extract,
* meta-Dimethoxybenzene,
* para-Dimethoxybenzene,
* 2,6-Dimethoxyphenol,
* Dimethyl Succinate,
* 3,4-Dimethyl-1,2-Cyclopentanedione,
* 3,5- Dimethyl-1,2-Cyclopentanedione,
* 3,7-Dimethyl-1,3,6-Octatriene,
* 4,5-Dimethyl-3-Hydroxy-2,5-Dihydrofuran-2-One,
* 6,10-Dimethyl-5,9-Undecadien-2-One,
* 3,7-Dimethyl-6-Octenoic Acid,
* 2,4-Dimethylacetophenone,
* alpha,para-Dimethylbenzyl Alcohol,
* alpha,alpha-Dimethylphenethyl Acetate,
* alpha,alpha Dimethylphenethyl Butyrate,
* 2,3-Dimethylpyrazine,
* 2,5-Dimethylpyrazine,
* 2,6-Dimethylpyrazine,
* Dimethyltetrahydrobenzofuranone,
* delta-Dodecalactone,
* gamma-Dodecalactone,
* para-Ethoxybenzaldehyde,
* Ethyl 10-Undecenoate,
* Ethyl 2-Methylbutyrate,
* Ethyl Acetate,
* Ethyl Acetoacetate,
* Ethyl Alcohol,
* Ethyl Benzoate,
* Ethyl Butyrate,
* Ethyl Cinnamate,
* Ethyl Decanoate,
* Ethyl Fenchol,
* Ethyl Furoate,
* Ethyl Heptanoate,
* Ethyl Hexanoate,
* Ethyl Isovalerate,
* Ethyl Lactate,
* Ethyl Laurate,
* Ethyl Levulinate,
* Ethyl Maltol,
* Ethyl Methyl Phenylglycidate,
* Ethyl Myristate,
* Ethyl Nonanoate,
* Ethyl Octadecanoate,
* Ethyl Octanoate,
* Ethyl Oleate,
* Ethyl Palmitate,
* Ethyl Phenylacetate,
* Ethyl Propionate,
* Ethyl Salicylate,
* Ethyl trans-2-Butenoate,
* Ethyl Valerate,
* Ethyl Vanillin,
* 2-Ethyl (or Methyl)-(3,5 and 6)-Methoxypyrazine,
* 2-Ethyl-1-Hexanol, 3-Ethyl -2 -Hydroxy-2-Cyclopenten-1-One,
* 2-Ethyl-3, (5 or 6)-Dimethylpyrazine,
* 5-Ethyl-3-Hydroxy-4-Methyl-2(5H)-Furanone,
* 2-Ethyl-3-Methylpyrazine,
* 4-Ethylbenzaldehyde,
* 4-Ethylguaiacol,
* para-Ethylphenol,
* 3-Ethylpyridine,
* Eucalyptol,
* Farnesol,
* D-Fenchone,
* Fennel Sweet Oil,
* Fenugreek, Extract, Resin, and Absolute,
* Fig Juice Concentrate,
* Food Starch Modified,
* Furfuryl Mercaptan,
* 4-(2-Furyl)-3-Buten-2-One,
* Galbanum Oil,
* Genet Absolute,
* Gentian Root Extract,
* Geraniol,
* Geranium Rose Oil,
* Geranyl Acetate,
* Geranyl Butyrate,
* Geranyl Formate,
* Geranyl Isovalerate,
* Geranyl Phenylacetate,
* Ginger Oil and Oleoresin,
* 1-Glutamic Acid,
* 1-Glutamine,
* Glycerol,
* Glycyrrhizin Ammoniated,
* Grape Juice Concentrate,
* Guaiac Wood Oil,
* Guaiacol,
* Guar Gum,
* 2,4-Heptadienal,
* gamma-Heptalactone,
* Heptanoic Acid,
* 2-Heptanone,
* 3-Hepten-2-One,
* 2-Hepten-4-One,
* 4-Heptenal,
* trans -2-Heptenal,
* Heptyl Acetate,
* omega-6-Hexadecenlactone,
* gamma-Hexalactone,
* Hexanal,
* Hexanoic Acid,
* 2-Hexen-1-Ol,
* 3-Hexen-1-Ol,
* cis-3-Hexen-1-Yl Acetate,
* 2-Hexenal,
* 3-Hexenoic Acid,
* trans-2-Hexenoic Acid,
* cis-3-Hexenyl Formate,
* Hexyl 2-Methylbutyrate,
* Hexyl Acetate,
* Hexyl Alcohol,
* Hexyl Phenylacetate,
* 1-Histidine,
* Honey,
* Hops Oil,
* Hydrolyzed Milk Solids,
* Hydrolyzed Plant Proteins,
* 5-Hydroxy-2,4-Decadienoic Acid delta- Lactone,
* 4-Hydroxy-2,5-Dimethyl-3(2H)-Furanone,
* 2-Hydroxy-3,5,5-Trimethyl-2-Cyclohexen-1-One,
* 4-Hydroxy -3-Pentenoic Acid Lactone,
* 2-Hydroxy-4-Methylbenzaldehyde,
* 4-Hydroxybutanoic Acid Lactone,
* Hydroxycitronellal,
* 6-Hydroxydihydrotheaspirane,
* 4-(para-Hydroxyphenyl)-2-Butanone,
* Hyssop Oil,
* Immortelle Absolute and Extract,
* alpha-Ionone,
* beta-Ionone,
* alpha-Irone,
* Isoamyl Acetate,
* Isoamyl Benzoate,
* Isoamyl Butyrate,
* Isoamyl Cinnamate,
* Isoamyl Formate, Isoamyl Hexanoate,
* Isoamyl Isovalerate,
* Isoamyl Octanoate,
* Isoamyl Phenylacetate,
* Isobornyl Acetate,
* Isobutyl Acetate,
* Isobutyl Alcohol,
* Isobutyl Cinnamate,
* Isobutyl Phenylacetate,
* Isobutyl Salicylate,
* 2-Isobutyl-3-Methoxypyrazine,
* alpha-Isobutylphenethyl Alcohol,
* Isobutyraldehyde,
* Isobutyric Acid,
* d,l-Isoleucine,
* alpha-Isomethylionone,
* 2-Isopropylphenol,
* Isovaleric Acid,
* Jasmine Absolute, Concrete and Oil,
* Kola Nut Extract,
* Labdanum Absolute and Oleoresin,
* Lactic Acid,
* Lauric Acid,
* Lauric Aldehyde,
* Lavandin Oil,
* Lavender Oil,
* Lemon Oil and Extract,
* Lemongrass Oil,
* 1-Leucine,
* Levulinic Acid,
* Licorice Root, Fluid, Extract and Powder,
* Lime Oil ,
* Linalool,
* Linalool Oxide,
* Linalyl Acetate,
* Linden Flowers,
* Lovage Oil And Extract,
* 1-Lysine,
* Mace Powder, Extract and Oil ,
* Magnesium Carbonate,
* Malic Acid,
* Malt and Malt Extract,
* Maltodextrin,
* Maltol,
* Maltyl Isobutyrate,
* Mandarin Oil,
* Maple Syrup and Concentrate,
* Mate Leaf, Absolute and Oil,
* para-Mentha-8-Thiol-3-One,
* Menthol,
* Menthone,
* Menthyl Acetate,
* dl-Methionine,
* Methoprene,
* 2-Methoxy-4-Methylphenol,
* 2-Methoxy-4-Vinylphenol,
* para-Methoxybenzaldehyde,
* 1-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-1-Penten-3-One,
* 4-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-2-Butanone,
* 1-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-2-Propanone,
* Methoxypyrazine,
* Methyl 2-Furoate,
* Methyl 2-Octynoate,
* Methyl 2-Pyrrolyl Ketone,
* Methyl Anisate,
* Methyl Anthranilate,
* Methyl Benzoate,
* Methyl Cinnamate,
* Methyl Dihydrojasmonate,
* Methyl Ester of Rosin, Partially Hydrogenated,
* Methyl Isovalerate,
* Methyl Linoleate (48%),
* Methyl Linolenate (52%) Mixture,
* Methyl Naphthyl Ketone,
* Methyl Nicotinate,
* Methyl Phenylacetate,
* Methyl Salicylate,
* Methyl Sulfide,
* 3-Methyl-1-Cyclopentadecanone,
* 4-Methyl-1-Phenyl-2-Pentanone,
* 5-Methyl-2-Phenyl-2-Hexenal,
* 5-Methyl-2-Thiophenecarboxaldehyde,
* 6-Methyl-3,-5-Heptadien-2-One,
* 2-Methyl-3-(para-Isopropylphenyl) Propionaldehyde,
* 5-Methyl-3-Hexen-2-One,
* 1-Methyl-3Methoxy-4-Isopropylbenzene,
* 4-Methyl-3-Pentene-2-One,
* 2-Methyl-4-Phenylbutyraldehyde,
* 6-Methyl-5-Hepten-2-One,
* 4-Methyl-5-Thiazoleethanol,
* 4-Methyl-5-Vinylthiazole,
* Methyl-alpha-Ionone,
* Methyl-trans-2-Butenoic Acid,
* 4-Methylacetophenone,
* para-Methylanisole,
* alpha-Methylbenzyl Acetate,
* alpha-Methylbenzyl Alcohol,
* 2-Methylbutyraldehyde,
* 3-Methylbutyraldehyde,
* 2-Methylbutyric Acid,
* alpha-Methylcinnamaldehyde,
* Methylcyclopentenolone,
* 2-Methylheptanoic Acid,
* 2-Methylhexanoic Acid,
* 3-Methylpentanoic Acid,
* 4-Methylpentanoic Acid,
* 2-Methylpyrazine,
* 5-Methylquinoxaline,
* 2-Methyltetrahydrofuran-3-One,
* (Methylthio)Methylpyrazine (Mixture Of Isomers),
* 3-Methylthiopropionaldehyde,
* Methyl 3-Methylthiopropionate,
* 2-Methylvaleric Acid,
* Mimosa Absolute and Extract,
* Molasses Extract and Tincture,
* Mountain Maple Solid Extract,
* Mullein Flowers,
* Myristaldehyde,
* Myristic Acid,
* Myrrh Oil,
* beta-Napthyl Ethyl Ether,
* Nerol,
* Neroli Bigarde Oil,
* Nerolidol,
* Nona-2-trans,6-cis-Dienal,
* 2,6-Nonadien-1-Ol,
* gamma-Nonalactone,
* Nonanal,
* Nonanoic Acid,
* Nonanone,
* trans-2-Nonen-1-Ol,
* 2-Nonenal,
* Nonyl Acetate,
* Nutmeg Powder and Oil,
* Oak Chips Extract and Oil,
* Oak Moss Absolute,
* 9,12-Octadecadienoic Acid (48%) And 9,12,15-Octadecatrienoic Acid (52%),
* delta-Octalactone,
* gamma-Octalactone,
* Octanal,
* Octanoic Acid,
* 1-Octanol,
* 2-Octanone,
* 3-Octen-2-One,
* 1-Octen-3-Ol,
* 1-Octen-3-Yl Acetate,
* 2-Octenal,
* Octyl Isobutyrate,
* Oleic Acid ,
* Olibanum Oil,
* Opoponax Oil And Gum,
* Orange Blossoms Water, Absolute, and Leaf Absolute,
* Orange Oil and Extract,
* Origanum Oil,
* Orris Concrete Oil and Root Extract,
* Palmarosa Oil,
* Palmitic Acid,
* Parsley Seed Oil,
* Patchouli Oil,
* omega-Pentadecalactone,
* 2,3-Pentanedione,
* 2-Pentanone,
* 4-Pentenoic Acid,
* 2-Pentylpyridine,
* Pepper Oil, Black And White,
* Peppermint Oil,
* Peruvian (Bois De Rose) Oil,
* Petitgrain Absolute, Mandarin Oil and Terpeneless Oil,
* alpha-Phellandrene,
* 2-Phenenthyl Acetate,
* Phenenthyl Alcohol,
* Phenethyl Butyrate,
* Phenethyl Cinnamate,
* Phenethyl Isobutyrate,
* Phenethyl Isovalerate,
* Phenethyl Phenylacetate,
* Phenethyl Salicylate,
* 1-Phenyl-1-Propanol,
* 3-Phenyl-1-Propanol,
* 2-Phenyl-2-Butenal,
* 4-Phenyl-3-Buten-2-Ol,
* 4-Phenyl-3-Buten-2-One,
* Phenylacetaldehyde,
* Phenylacetic Acid,
* 1-Phenylalanine,
* 3-Phenylpropionaldehyde,
* 3-Phenylpropionic Acid,
* 3-Phenylpropyl Acetate,
* 3-Phenylpropyl Cinnamate,
* 2-(3-Phenylpropyl)Tetrahydrofuran,
* Phosphoric Acid,
* Pimenta Leaf Oil,
* Pine Needle Oil, Pine Oil, Scotch,
* Pineapple Juice Concentrate,
* alpha-Pinene, beta-Pinene,
* D-Piperitone,
* Piperonal,
* Pipsissewa Leaf Extract,
* Plum Juice,
* Potassium Sorbate,
* 1-Proline,
* Propenylguaethol,
* Propionic Acid,
* Propyl Acetate,
* Propyl para-Hydroxybenzoate,
* Propylene Glycol,
* 3-Propylidenephthalide,
* Prune Juice and Concentrate,
* Pyridine,
* Pyroligneous Acid And Extract,
*
* Pyrrole,
* Pyruvic Acid,
* Raisin Juice Concentrate,
* Rhodinol,
* Rose Absolute and Oil,
* Rosemary Oil,
* Rum,
* Rum Ether,
* Rye Extract,
* Sage, Sage Oil, and Sage Oleoresin,
* Salicylaldehyde,
* Sandalwood Oil, Yellow,
* Sclareolide,
* Skatole,
* Smoke Flavor,
* Snakeroot Oil,
* Sodium Acetate,
* Sodium Benzoate,
* Sodium Bicarbonate,
* Sodium Carbonate,
* Sodium Chloride,
* Sodium Citrate,
* Sodium Hydroxide,
* Solanone,
* Spearmint Oil,
* Styrax Extract, Gum and Oil,
* Sucrose Octaacetate,
* Sugar Alcohols,
* Sugars,
* Tagetes Oil,
* Tannic Acid,
* Tartaric Acid,
* Tea Leaf and Absolute,
* alpha-Terpineol,
* Terpinolene,
* Terpinyl Acetate,
* 5,6,7,8-Tetrahydroquinoxaline,
* 1,5,5,9-Tetramethyl-13-Oxatricyclo(8.3.0.0(4,9))Tridecane,
* 2,3,4,5, and 3,4,5,6-Tetramethylethyl-Cyclohexanone,
* 2,3,5,6-Tetramethylpyrazine,
* Thiamine Hydrochloride,
* Thiazole,
* 1-Threonine,
* Thyme Oil, White and Red,
* Thymol,
* Tobacco Extracts,
* Tochopherols (mixed),
* Tolu Balsam Gum and Extract,
* Tolualdehydes,
* para-Tolyl 3-Methylbutyrate,
* para-Tolyl Acetaldehyde,
* para-Tolyl Acetate,
* para-Tolyl Isobutyrate,
* para-Tolyl Phenylacetate,
* Triacetin,
* 2-Tridecanone,
* 2-Tridecenal,
* Triethyl Citrate,
* 3,5,5-Trimethyl -1-Hexanol,
* para,alpha,alpha-Trimethylbenzyl Alcohol,
* 4-(2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohex-1-Enyl)But-2-En-4-One,
* 2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohex-2-Ene-1,4-Dione,
* 2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohexa-1,3-Dienyl Methan,
* 4-(2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohexa-1,3-Dienyl)But-2-En-4-One,
* 2,2,6-Trimethylcyclohexanone,
* 2,3,5-Trimethylpyrazine,
* 1-Tyrosine,
* delta-Undercalactone,
* gamma-Undecalactone,
* Undecanal,
* 2-Undecanone, 1
* 0-Undecenal,
* Urea,
* Valencene,
* Valeraldehyde,
* Valerian Root Extract, Oil and Powder,
* Valeric Acid,
* gamma-Valerolactone,
* Valine,
* Vanilla Extract And Oleoresin,
* Vanillin,
* Veratraldehyde,
* Vetiver Oil,
* Vinegar,
* Violet Leaf Absolute,
* Walnut Hull Extract,
* Water,
* Wheat Extract And Flour,
* Wild Cherry Bark Extract,
* Wine and Wine Sherry,
* Xanthan Gum,
* 3,4-Xylenol,
* Yeast
What ever is in PG, VG or PEG it can't be as bad as what we're trying to quit here.

 

[Drag on the Magic Puff]

PEG 400 is a low molecular PEG.

Some info here:

polyethylene glycol: chemical product info at CHEMINDUSTRY.RU

and some Wikipedia info here:

Polyethylene glycol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The low molecular stuff is widely used in medications, cosmetics etc and considered safe in the same way as PG apparently.

And I would also like to know what's in the liquid I'm vaping, or at least what's supposed to be in there.

 

[NY JETS]

Most important thread ever. I'm interested in what any supplier has to contribute to this conversation

 

[SilverBraids]

also, am I mistaken, or just because it has poly in front of antifreeze, it's supposed to be OK? I am not a chemist, but this struck me as odd... ethylene glycol is what I used for 4 1/2 years in the Army inside of Humvees...

 

[Nuck]

Most important thread ever. I'm interested in what any supplier has to contribute to this conversation

I'd like to hear from the suppliers as well. Proper labeling would definitely help ease some concerns.

 

[dc32]

interesting thread...I'd like to know as well...I'd also like to know if anyone in the US sells it the way they buy it, as in with the same labels and info (if it was even there to begin with that is)

 

[skex]

Yet I've not heard anyone complain of health problems caused by it. Well that weren't attributable to other soda related health factors.

In fact when I first heard about the Electronic Cigarette I mistakenly thought that PG was Polyethylene Glycol. Which helped alleviate some of my concerns after all with as much Dr Pepper as I've imbibed over my life if PEG is that bad I'm screwed anyway.

 

[Cymri]

hmm yeah some great points here. Particularly funny was the question brought up about nicotine concentration in eliquids. I use 36 mg Riskee Yuice. I assume they mean 36 mg/ml but don't really know. As a biologist I'd get fired if I was expressing concentration values of fluids without complete units.

As for PEG vs PG, my initial reaction to that is that PEG is a polymer- a very big molecule. The toxicity studies don't slam it much, but my personal opinion is that I'd rather be putting small molecules like PG in my body. Especially also because I know that PG is metabolized to lactic acid which is a compound my body makes anyway. Who knows how the body handles metabolizing long chain polymers?

 

[katink]

Here's a good long read on PEG, PG and (further on in the thread) VG. English translation from german, but understandable: Translated version of http://www.e-rauchen-forum.de/showthread.php?tid=3727&page=1

 

[Doostin]

If the industry stands a chance against the government it needs to go ISO style. Intellectual property aside, they should be at least accurately documenting the processes and ingredients used. All the way from stripping the nicotine from tobacco, to pouring it into the final bottle.

 

[parapo]

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As for PEG vs PG, my initial reaction to that is that PEG is a polymer- a very big molecule. The toxicity studies don't slam it much, but my personal opinion is that I'd rather be putting small molecules like PG in my body. Especially also because I know that PG is metabolized to lactic acid which is a compound my body makes anyway. Who knows how the body handles metabolizing long chain polymers?

good point.
i read in the german thread,(if i understood it correctly) that PEG mutates the cell so it can be absorbed.....even something about kidney failure...
..suddenly PG sounds very healthy to me...

 

[deewal]

This has been discussed before here.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussion/6506-what-ppg.html

@ parapo You asked the same questions and katink posted the same link.

Could loss of memory be a side effect of e-smoking ?

 

[mu.zeitgeist]

Worried about PEG and weather it's healthy to inhale or not? Kinda funny when we knew for how long what's in a regular cigarette and didn't mind smoking that for years. Oh, here's the list and its a long one.
*List of cig. ingredients truncated*
What ever is in PG, VG or PEG it can't be as bad as what we're trying to quit here.

I knew what the effects of tobacco were, but I smoked it anyway because I enjoyed it. After many years I started developing side effects of inhaling smoke on a constant basis. I no longer felt it was worth it so I switched over to the e-cig. Much less immediate side-effects.

I also know that the list provided is only for additives in a cigarette. The additives themselves are relatively harmless since most of those ingredients are just fragrances and essential oils used in very small quantities. Many which are in the foods we eat as well in higher dosages. The large evil coorporate tobacco companies and their Monopoly guy-looking CEOs don't want to *off* their loyal customer base. They just want your monies. If they kill you, they kill profits and kill profits is bad for their pockets. The sheer ignorance, belief of propaganda is waaaaay more detremental to my mental health and hope in humanity than a fresh carton of Marlboros.

However it's true, there are things to fear in tobacco besides additives. The scary ones are the pesticides, curing agents, fertilizers, water, etc. and you may be shocked to find that the same **** you find in tobacco you find in higher concentrations in... yes your air, your tap water, pretty much anything you come in contact with. At least in moder metropolitan areas in first world countries some of this is regulated. In the US there are places that tap water is deemed unsafe to drink because of all the crap in it. But who knows what's ok to fly in China. "Essence of Tobacco", even "water" can be a concoction of lethal chemicals in high doses deemed safe by their version of the FDA. And when it comes down to extracting the nicotine from the tobacco for our ejuices, I don't know the process used, I don't know the purity of nicotine, I don't know even know if the workers use rubber gloves during the process. But I do not care, I'm just not that paranoid. Did you know there is Arsenic in your tap water? Do you know just how much Uranium you are exposed to on a daily basis? We can be paranoid all day long. First it was the TB, then polio, then AIDS, then now the big thing is cancer. I'm too tired to go running scared because there is a new public scare or ejuice is mostly antifreeze.

In all honesty if you are that concerned about ejuices and their effects used in our vapor devices it might be best to not smoke it until you find out what kind of ways the Chinese are using regarding farming and actual tobacco and tobacco laws. And not to be ****ing on China but I'm not entirely sure farming laws are even abided by... Then find out how the nicotine is extracted. Right now, this exact moment, PEG is the LEAST of your worries. Hint: I very much doubt resellers would ever know any of this kind of information, I doubt it even occured to them to find out so my 2 cents would be to go straight to the source.

At the end of the day, I am one that thinks smoking a bit of antifreeze with a shot Plutonium on the side won't hurt as much as unhealthy food habits. Sure drink a glass of antifreeze? Pretty quick liver failure followed by imminent death. But I don't know... I think I've smoked about a cup of PG, PEG, VG, whatever it was by now and my liver is still where it should be and hasn't turned green. knock on wood

 

[justus6]

i just found this in the msds sheet for PEG

Eye Contact:
Check for and remove any contact lenses. In case of contact, immediately flush eyes with plenty of water for at
least 15 minutes. Cold water may be used. Get medical attention if irritation occurs.
Skin Contact:
Wash with soap and water. Cover the irritated skin with an emollient. Get medical attention if irritation develops.
Cold water may be used.
Serious Skin Contact: Not available.
Inhalation:
If inhaled, remove to fresh air. If not breathing, give artificial respiration. If breathing is difficult, give oxygen. Get
medical attention.
Serious Inhalation: Not available.
Ingestion:
Do NOT induce vomiting unless directed to do so by medical personnel. Never give anything by mouth to an
unconscious person. If large quantities of this material are swallowed, call a physician immediately. Loosen tight
clothing such as a collar, tie, belt or waistband.
Serious Ingestion: Not available.

 

[deewal]

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