PEG a new ingredient, instead of PG and VG

[DCrist721]

No store buys cases of Coca Cola and puts "Yippee Cola" on them. Because when you want to buy a Coke, you don't want to play "guess the contents". Stores don't do that. It's ridiculous.

Actually, most chain stores do in fact do this. For example, when you go to a store and buy the store brand of potato chips, you could likely be eating lays. I once went to the Snyders of Hanover pretzel factory, and their pretzels were actually sold as the store brand in over 2 dozen different chains.

I don't see the problem with suppliers not telling us where they get their liquid, as long as they tell us the ingredients.

Anyway, I'm posting in this thread because I have some powdered Polyethylene Glycol 3350 NF, and I was wondering if I could use some of this with a tiny bit of distilled water to dilute my 36mg liquid. I understand that the number that comes after it is it's molecular weight, so with such a big difference between this and 400, I wanted to make sure that it would work. I have no plans to do this on a regular basis, I'm just really low on my 24mg liquid and I have 5ml of 36mg liquid that I want to dilute today.

 

[DJGoogone]

I'm more on the side of Houdini, for years, about 40 times a day, I stuck this thing in my mouth, lit it, and inhaled it, I knew it was killing LOTS of people, and I didn't give a damn. Right now, I am inhaling something that could or could not be better for me. I know I use to get up in the morning and cough for an hour or so, could not breath worth a damn and was easily worn out. I know I have stopped smoking analogs for about 4 weeks now, feel better all around...

Everything will kill you sooner or later, regardless.. people have died from drinking too much water..

So I'll continue to vape, IMHO, better than smoking..

 

[exogenesis]

....I have some powdered Polyethylene Glycol 3350 NF, and I was wondering if I could use some of this with a tiny bit of distilled water to dilute my 36mg liquid....

Please don't.

 

[DCrist721]

Please don't.

The only thing that makes this stuff different from the Polyethylene Glycol 400 that some distributors are putting in their e-liquid is it's density. I was just thinking that since it was a lot denser it might not evaporate as easily, and as a result it could possibly build up on my atomizer and kill it.

But as far as my health is concerned, if the French are using this stuff everyday in their e-cigs and haven't had a problem yet I see no reason why I should be concerned about using it for a week or two.

 

[taz3cat]

Pg was the one used in the New Zealand studies and there is reserch that shows it has some know good qualitys. I don't like the research on PEG. I feel PG is "safer" than PEG. PEG is probably cheaper than pg and as usual the makers are looking for cheapiest without regard to quality.

 

[Hangar]

Nasty.

This exactly why it annoys the HELL out of me that everybody buys juice from the same 2 or 3 or 4 factories and sticks their own name on it. I want to KNOW what I'm buying.
Exactly for this reason. Royalsmokers publishes an ingredient list too, and it's PG based. I want that. E-CIG juice kills whatever you put it in. I don't want that. PEG wrecks your kidneys and does something weird to your cells. I'll pass on that too.

You shouldn't have to GUESS if Rookie Yook, oRangiYan, Rippie Juice, etc etc etc is Royal Smokers RY4. And take your chances. With your equipment, or your life.

No store buys cases of Coca Cola and puts "Yippee Cola" on them. Because when you want to buy a Coke, you don't want to play "guess the contents". Stores don't do that. It's ridiculous.

And guess what, it is *OUR* fault for buying it, sight unseen, mystery contents, go ahead and let me stick that in my lungs. Whoops, there goes a kidney. OMG.

For a chemical that you are *ingesting* it is beyond reason for resellers to "relabel" this stuff as their own, and not provide documentation as to what it is. No other industry does this. And if nic-juice was an official food item, or pharma item, it would even be ILLEGAL every country I know of.

Here you go - challenge to resellers. TELL US WHAT YOU ARE SELLING US.

Repeat sales come from service, quality, and prices.... that's the magic formula.

Not by having the "coolest" name on your "top secret" juice. That's just wrong.

That's my opinion.... anybody agree?

agreed 100%...most of the people importing this stuff right now are running their kitchen table business like idiots and have no idea what theyre doing and what they might be in for should one of their customers get sick (or worse). I just know there must be some of us out here making ourselves sick from nicotine overdosing because i see so many say that they vape all day long.

Its only a matter of time before someone hurts themselves with the haphazardous way this crap is being slung at us.

Warning labels and ingredient disclosures should be industry standard by now, and included in all liquid and cart packaging, hello?

...and yes...an industry naming and branding standard thats reflective of the manufacturers name sorely needs to be implemented instead of all these redicilous names.

These things and many other self regulatory issues are LONG overdue for this product...a product that IS a DRUG, HELLO MC FLY?

Nobody seems to want to claim responsibility for this stuff and the more i keep thinking about that fact, the more concerned i become in thinking about whether or not i should really be using it.

...geez

 

[exogenesis]

The only thing that makes this stuff different from the Polyethylene Glycol 400 that some distributors are putting in their e-liquid is it's density. I was just thinking that since it was a lot denser it might not evaporate as easily, and as a result it could possibly build up on my atomizer and kill it.

But as far as my health is concerned, if the French are using this stuff everyday in their e-cigs and haven't had a problem yet I see no reason why I should be concerned about using it for a week or two.

OK, use it then, please tell us how you get on & how many atomizers you get through

 

[DCrist721]

OK, use it then, please tell us how you get on & how many atomizers you get through

I must have misunderstood you. When you said "please don't" I thought that you were concerned that this could somehow be worse for my health then PEG 400, the thought didn't cross my mind that anyone would really be concerned about my atomizers.

And that's why I was asking about it instead of just going and doing it. I was hoping that someone else had tried a form of PEG other then the 400 weight and could tell me if it caused any problems with their atomizers.

 

[taz3cat]

Batterys are a factor also, we get juice in them and a higher density would make it stickier. More battery problems.

 

[exogenesis]

Heh,
I was concerned about health as well,
is the PEG in the French liquid the main bulk, like PG or VG is in other liquids?

 

[ratfink]

I don't really know a lot about what happens under heat but it may ease peoples minds to know that PEG is a common excipient in nebulizer solutions.

 

[deewal]

Everything about E-Cigs is really,really bad for you.
Stop it at once.
Smoke Tobacco.

 

[exogenesis]

Really?

Can you quote you sources?

/sarcasm

 

[deewal]

PEG 400 (Polyethylene Glycol 400) is a low molecular weight grade of Polyethylene glycol. It is a clear, colorless, viscous liquid. Due in part to its low toxicity, PEG 400 is widely used in a variety of pharmaceutical formulations.
PEG 400 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So it must be really bad for you.
This has been discussed before. More than once.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussion/6506-what-ppg-3.html

 

[exogenesis]

We were discusssing Polyethylene Glycol 3350 NF (as well)

 

[rlorange]

As mentioned PEG 400 is very similar to PG, it has a very low toxicity like PG so it must have similar breakdown products in the body (i.e non toxic).

Ethylene Glycol is chemically very similar to PG by biochemically Very toxic, this is because it breaks down into toxic metabolites inside the body whereas PG has very benign metabolites which are not only non-toxic but exist already in the body in large quantities (basically common metabolites of many foods)

 

[rlorange]

Here is a good link for PEG 400 MSDS.

Appears to be perhaps even less of a worry than PG especially for inhalation, it has a higher Boiling Point tho which may mean less vapour. I am curious to know if PEG is more thermally stable than PG, at a guess I would say MUCH more, this could be good news for reduced heat coil crud build up.

Good find PEG 400 could very well be less risky than PG I will look into it more

 

[rlorange]

PROPYLENE GLYCOL
POLYETHYLENE GLYCOL

Compare both PG and PEG. Looks like PEG is less harmful it is marginally less toxic but we are talking about the difference between drinking 1.6 and 2.6 LITRES of the stuff before it will kill you!

 

[hason74]

Are you sure you want to enter into this question? I don't think you realize how big the rabbit hole is that you are talking about. How about a very small minor thing, much less then asking them to supply ingredients... Try asking your supplier of E-juice what the "24 mg" or "11 mg" juice is divided by to get that number, is it 24 mg per drop? per ML? per ounce? I dare you to ask your suppliers... Let me tell you something, I asked six or seven of the biggest ones about six months ago, and I got three or four different answers, and two of them blatently said "I am not so sure"! And one of those who said he wasn't so sure, is the biggest re-seller in the industry.

I do believe it is-- I.E. 24 mg per 1,000 ml (.024mg per 1 ml) that is what i found on a chinese suppliers site, I cannot find it right now but i am almost positive, please correct me if im wrong.

 

[hason74]

Anyway, I'm posting in this thread because I have some powdered Polyethylene Glycol 3350 NF, and I was wondering if I could use some of this with a tiny bit of distilled water to dilute my 36mg liquid. I understand that the number that comes after it is it's molecular weight, so with such a big difference between this and 400, I wanted to make sure that it would work. I have no plans to do this on a regular basis, I'm just really low on my 24mg liquid and I have 5ml of 36mg liquid that I want to dilute today.

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