Penelope inconsistent

[Bishopheals]

Yeah. What's frustrating is that so many vids were watched two and three times. The coils look solid. I'm taking a break for a couple of days since I basically spent two solid days tikering with this, adjusting that, thinning the juice on this coil, yadi yadi. It actually got to a point where I didn't even want a vape off ANYTHING. I know it has to be something stupid. That's why I need to back away for a bit.

When it's coiled, it works for a tank full. Then after a refill, it gets F*&(ing fickle. And done. The one that I wrapped during page one of this thread with a paperclip actually went through TWO refills and I thought I had it. Then bam. It'll come damn it. TOO many success stories and satisfied people can't be wrong.

Hey buddy after reading all that you wrote and the pictures you submitted of your coil. I think i may know whats the issue. It may very well be your technique of how your vaping and using Penelope. First for me i use 3 wicks. I use it so it can give me a stronger moist vape (no Gurgle).

I make coils on avg 2ohms-2.4ohms and pump at 4.8volts-6v it varys on juice. I love my vape hot but not when its loosing flavor of the juice.

I make coils also at 1.5ohms and pump it from 3.8v- to as high as I need to get that hot moist vape without changing juice taste.

I recently tried Imeo's 0.9 Ohm it was good and to hit my sweet spot I really didn't need to pump it past 4.8v it was good 4.0v-4.8v. I went to 5.0v it changed the taste of the juice for me though it gave me a better throat hit the taste was gone.

As far as juice goes Im usually refilling my 3m of juice could be in 20 minutes it can also be in a hour it all depends on how hot (amount of volts) I'm using with the relation to ohms and how many toots I'm doing. Now if it wasn't hot then it will last a long time but once one vapes and they try for a week hot moist vapes they cant go back to cold or cool air vapes just not doable.

If I'm int he mood of hot moist. I leave flow control close and vape till i notice a flavor change. once this occurs I open the flow control with a half of turn. i wait for 5 seconds then i toot. in that toot i should notice the full restore of flavor and I'm back into business. if I plan to toot 4 more pulls i leave flow control open and i don't close it. once I'm done tooting I close the flow control. When i toot again i toot till i notice change of flavor then I open flow control half of turn. Repeat the process. till i notice another flavor change then i open flow control another half turn. Then i toot having provari parallel to floor so liquid can move and get inside to wick. At this point i know its getting close to needing another refill. When I refill I make sure flow control is close and fill another 3m juice and seal cap on top.

You may need to find what is your sweet spot then it can be fine tune to your liking so it can remain consistent.

 

[imeothanasis]

yankee, please keep in mind that if you double the wick (on the coil only) then your gurgling issues will disapear

 

[yankeebobo]

As far as juice goes Im usually refilling my 3m of juice could be in 20 minutes it can also be in a hour it all depends on how hot (amount of volts) I'm using with the relation to ohms and how many toots I'm doing..

3 ml of juice of juice in 20 minutes? You know a lot of what you said makes perfect scientific sense. It really does. But if I'm vaping 3 ml of juice inside of 60 minutes even, then the Penelope may not be for me. I vape a lot. I vape at work because I'm lucky to vape at my desk. Yes. A 5ml tank I empty about 2/3 in a DAY. So that's about 3 ml a day. Granted I do have a 1ml or so in another flavor. But still.

I'll keep going at it. I use double wick at the coil each time I wrap it. Double. The gurgling happens when I feel the flavor change with 3 full rotations. I'll have to turn it a 4th or 5th just to get it to wick.

For those recommending that I open a 1/4, 1/2, or 1 turn to find my spot.....forget it. I can't keep wick wet without at LEAST 3 full turns. Not 3/4.....3 FULL! And if that is where my juice is going.......

 

[yankeebobo]

Hey buddy after reading all that you wrote and the pictures you submitted of your coil. I think i may know whats the issue. It may very well be your technique of how your vaping and using Penelope.

Ok bishop. Maybe you're onto something. And why we didn't try this I have no clue. I'm used to a harder pull during the draw. Are you doing a long soft pull? When we completely changed the pull, we got some better results.

Also. We did water down the juice with a few drops of distilled water a few drops into say about 25ml bottle. So I'm not sure if I really HAD to water it down or not and whether pure vg would have worked with a slower pull. I mean a SLOW pull.

 

[Bishopheals]

Ok bishop. Maybe you're onto something. And why we didn't try this I have no clue. I'm used to a harder pull during the draw. Are you doing a long soft pull? When we completely changed the pull, we got some better results.

Also. We did water down the juice with a few drops of distilled water a few drops into say about 25ml bottle. So I'm not sure if I really HAD to water it down or not and whether pure vg would have worked with a slower pull. I mean a SLOW pull.

Sorry bud i just got home and and now I'm reading your update. First I wouldn't add water to juice. it will make it harder to vape. I like to also add when i use tanks like a map ce2 tank and lava tanks Im always filling that tank up atleast 3 times in little than 2 hours when Im in my vaping moment.

looking at the way you vape your probably trying to vape like it was a analog cigarette. Thats the issue it not vaping per say. its going to take some trial and error for you to master how to vape good getting the right sweet spot. Now lets do this for instance clean up penelope and make your self a brand new coil and make sure you have at your disposal atleast 15 ml of juice. Now having say 3 hours to kill make your coil and depending on your ohms of the coil I can suggest to you what voltage to start it out with. in matter of fact start at 3.8v. Now before you take your drag I like to share with you my technique. When i draw I dont inhale to mouth then lung I inhale straight to lungs. I inhale slowly to feel the hot warm moist vape. When I do that BOY do i taste that juice and all the notes it has and what a wonderful smoke. its heaven, if I draw fast to lungs i dont experience any richness nothing. So try it and see if it helps. If you cough then yo may need to lower the nic dosage. If you dont find the heat strong enough raise volts by 1-2 increments. The real deal is to draw inhale real slow to feel the hot moist air hitting the tongue. remember your are inhaling evaporated air not dry air. Smoking cigs is dry hot air and vaping is inhaling humidified juice. they both deliver nicotine the techniques used may be similar but its very different to execute the same result.

You may get frustrated but don't worry you'll get it just posses yourself with more patience. Give yourself permission not to give up you have yourself a wonderful treasure. Give it some time so that you can experience what many of us have which is always to have a lot of juice handy.

Oh before I forget when you build the coil and wick make sure after you screw it to tank and oring is on tight. beofre adding the big long mouth piece make sure yo wet the wick with juice. make sure you wet the two wick channels as well before screwing the mouthpiece tube on. when you take your first pull no need to open the flow control since you pre wet the wick. Remember 3.8v and inhale straight to lungs slowly I mean very very very slowly. leave power press for atleast 5-6 seconds as you inhale at the same time slowly. Then release and open a little flow control and wait for 3-5 seconds then take another slow slow slow slow inhale for 5 seconds. just rinse and repeat. Once you get the hang of it you will be well on your way to vaping with the big boys.

 

[Beco]

I agree draw should be slow, but i don't inhale directly to lungs-I find it unpleasant.
But anyway-draw should be long and slow

 

[MrKrinkle]

Just wait till you start playing with dual coils as this is the closest thing to an analog I have found without having to stack batteries...

 

[Bishopheals]

Just wait till you start playing with dual coils as this is the closest thing to an analog I have found without having to stack batteries...

You scaring this boy man. Don't you see he still hasn't poped his cherry yet with Penelope and you giving away some major highlights to whats to come. shame on you!!!

 

[yankeebobo]

Ok. Bishop you seem to come closest. You vape completely different using the Penelope. Long slow draw is definitely the way. Using this method, only the 1/4 - 1/2 turn. Ok. And she seems to need rest. Nice vape. Not for the chain vapor. But I get it.

Now if we could get supply issue down..... COV got ceramics in and inside an hour they were sold out. The supply sucks for the demand. But that wasn't my original topic. S as for this topic for all those that read this with similar issues.....slow down, longer draw, lighter draw, and enjoy.

 

[Valsacar]

You shouldn't need more ceramics, at least not for a very long time. I have the iAtty and never had to replace that part, 2 Ody and never had to replace the ceramic (though I do have spares, just in case). I've dropped my stuff a few times, nothing broken.

I do have an issue with one of my penelope, maybe someone could figure out. I have two, with two different flavors (both 50/50, same nic, just flavor different). One is now on it's 6th tank (dry burn generally every 2 tanks to keep it going nicely) all on the same wick. Other one started leaking after the second tank, thought maybe I did something odd so I went and replaced the wick. New wick didn't even go one tank before it started leaking (though the bottom, of course) and just not working well at all.

Both are set up with the same stuff, dual coil single wick, one is working great, the other is not. Not sure what is going on here.

 

[Absinte]

I have done dry burning with CE2s before, I suppose this will be the same for Penelope and Odys, question is, can someone give me a brief idea how you peeps do it? What I've in mind is tilt 45 degree downwards and flush it with running water, then use a cloth to dry it and burn, rinse and repeat for a couple of times and that's it? If that's a way, won't some water sip right inside the cup and the threads resulting in a mixture of juice + mineral water molecule in it?

 

[rocky111]

Guys how long do you leave the liquid control open and how many turns do you do, ?

 

[Xaiver]

Mine's always open, unless I'm sleeping or going to be away from it for an hour or so. How far to turn it though is all about trial and error. I've found that it's really hard to flood Penelope if the wick and everything is installed correctly. I start at about 1/2 turn, and if it starts losing flavor, I go another half turn. If it's flooding, I go back a bit.

 

[Mosin_Sergei]

I leave the management of liquid is always open.
even if you do not use.
. There is no flooding.

Guys how long do you leave the liquid control open and how many turns do you do, ?

 

[rocky111]

Mosin How many turns do you do?

I leave the management of liquid is always open.
even if you do not use.
. There is no flooding.

 

[imeothanasis]

maybe its the wick inside channels Valsa. Try to put it in a way to cover well the channels with no gaps between wick and channel

You shouldn't need more ceramics, at least not for a very long time. I have the iAtty and never had to replace that part, 2 Ody and never had to replace the ceramic (though I do have spares, just in case). I've dropped my stuff a few times, nothing broken.

I do have an issue with one of my penelope, maybe someone could figure out. I have two, with two different flavors (both 50/50, same nic, just flavor different). One is now on it's 6th tank (dry burn generally every 2 tanks to keep it going nicely) all on the same wick. Other one started leaking after the second tank, thought maybe I did something odd so I went and replaced the wick. New wick didn't even go one tank before it started leaking (though the bottom, of course) and just not working well at all.

Both are set up with the same stuff, dual coil single wick, one is working great, the other is not. Not sure what is going on here.

 

[dspin]

Mosin How many turns do you do?

The juice I use determines how far it is open. When first filled I do not open, as I vape I keep turning till I find the right spot.. All juices behave differnently. My 100 VG Malty Toffee requires it to be all the way open, it is a very thick juice

 

[Mosin_Sergei]

It depends on the juice that has a different density.
Thicker than the juice - the larger the need to unscrew the mouthpiece.
Using a megaphone so thick juice is almost completely open.
To find the optimum position of the horn loosen it gradually. Turned away at the 1 \ 4 turn - check whether dry or flood hits. If you have a dry hit - loosen by 1 \ 4 turn.
Thus you will find rocky right position for a successful vaping.

Mosin How many turns do you do?

 

[Matthew Shelbourn]

I have been really pleased with the wicking but over the course of a tank I find my self opening the liquid control more and more. Some times to full stop, with no flooding or burnt hits. Today I figured out a trick tho. When I get to full open or close, I will crank it back down to closed, open up the top and check if there is juice there normally is but I found it releases pressure, and then it wicks like a dream and the flow control barely has to be cracked to get it to wick.

Ben

 

[Bishopheals]

Ok. Bishop you seem to come closest. You vape completely different using the Penelope. Long slow draw is definitely the way. Using this method, only the 1/4 - 1/2 turn. Ok. And she seems to need rest. Nice vape. Not for the chain vapor. But I get it.

Now if we could get supply issue down..... COV got ceramics in and inside an hour they were sold out. The supply sucks for the demand. But that wasn't my original topic. S as for this topic for all those that read this with similar issues.....slow down, longer draw, lighter draw, and enjoy.

Yankee, I’m going to take you under my wing buddy and I will enhance your vaping experience to a higher level. If you are ready for this vape ride hang on tight, your vaping cherry is about to get popped.

Ok to chain vape and the technique I use is very simple. I use not 1, not 2 but 3 wicks. This helps to avoid that nasty dry taste and metal taste from over drying the the wick from over excessive holding the power button past 5 seconds.

So here we go make your coil using 3 wicks. Heres, my how to setup a 3wick coil. Read all the pages because it gives good info on other folks prefers a 2 wick do to to .8 ohms they build.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/clouds-vapor/312600-triple-wick-coil.html

Ok now after you created the coil and you mounted it on your ceramic cup remember to cut 2 wicks from the channel sides and leave the top wick without cutting so you can snug it flush onto the channel. Now before sealing the mouth piece flow control on make sure you prime the wick and wet it with your ejuice. Now you can seal up Penelope and fill it up with juice. Now leave flow control close and take your first drag and do it slowly and hold power down for a good 5-6 seconds. Now you need to ask yourself,

Was that drag hot enough and moist enough? (Careful vape cherry pop commencing) To control hot you raise up the volts. To control moisture turn the flow control quarter turns. Now that you know how to adjust it try the following. 4.2 volts if its to much heat or if your using a 1.2 ohm coil then cant start at 4.2v you will need to start at 3.2v. The idea atleast for me is that when it gets hot I leave the flow control 1 turn open and keep vaping away till there is no more juice. I’ll repeat, when I’m at the right heat setting (MY SWEET SPOT) I leave the voltage alone and leave a half to a full turn open on the flow control and keep vaping away. From this point I’m vaping about 5-6 pulls some quick and some long. I really don’t need to adjust the volts for nothing. Only flow control to decrease moisture of if I’m going to put it down I close the flow control. Since I use lots lots of heat so much that Penelope herself is hot. I can chain vape with no issues the wick remains nice and wet with no gurgling.

If by chance you get gurgling then close the flow control remove Penelope from device. clean paper towel wipe the battery connector and then place paper towel end of penelope battery connector and blow into the mouth piece of Penelope. This will push any excessive juice out. Then dry battery connector of Penelope and connect her back to the battery and vape away with flow control close till you dried up some of the wick then open flow control again. If the volts are high and you vape with slow inhales for a goof 5-8 seconds that wick will be dry and then wait 2-3 seconds before taking next vape. Then repeat process, if you have the flow control left open say a quarter turn then you can chain vape away eyes close. This part requires some practice and trial and error on your part.

This is all about experience and after you done this for a week or so you’ll get the hang of it. Good Luck