Percentage threshold for flavors

[TylerA]

Hi there,

I'm making my way into the DIY world, and I'm just curious if there's a threshold for flavor percentages that I should avoid passing?

I've had a hard time finding e-liquid flavors that I like, so I figured I'd just go mad scientist until I can come up with something I do like. I'm definitely ok with starting with low percentages, and working my way up, just don't want to go too high in case there's any risks associated with it.

Thanks in advance!

Edit:

I'll be using an Innokin Zenith tank and a Wotofo Recurve rda (if that makes any difference)

 

[tara81]

You can read flavour notes on reddit reddit: the front page of the internet

Search the flavour notes on eliquid recipes .com as well.

Capella , jungle flavors, flavour west , tfa/tpa can be from 2-7% flavour art and inw are generally stronger , fa at 1-3%, inw usually 0.5-2% depending on flavour.

It also depends on your taste, and certain flavors can overpower others in recipes. Strawberry is generally weaker then most other fruits like raspberry, lemon, tangerine for example. If you go too high, you get what people call flavour muting. U won’t taste it at all. Going too high can cause perfumes taste as well.

I generallay try out popular recipes and then tweak them to how I want them.

What do u like and maybe I can stir u in the right direction.

 

[TylerA]

@tara81 I don't think I worded my question as well as I should have. What I meant was, is there a total flavor percentage I should not cross ... like don't don't go past 10% flavorings in total volume, etc.

What you did post was very helpful though!

I stupidly picky with flavors, food, etc. Trying to avoid super sweet, not a fan of fruits or berries, caramels and butterscotch, and the list goes on.

I really like vanilla and cinnamon ... so I would like to try and do something with those two ideally.

 

[tara81]

Ah. Good question. Honestly most of my recipes don’t go past 22%. If you add too many flavors you may not taste the ones you want. Would be a waste then.

Some people don’t go past 10%. Some go up to 30% . Everyone is different. I think it depends largely on the brand , you can go much higher with tpa then with inwara. Most popular recipes are in the 8-22% range .

 

[TylerA]

Ah. Good question. Honestly most of my recipes don’t go past 18%. If you add too many flavors you may not taste the ones you want. Would be a waste then.

Some people don’t go past 10%. Some go up to 30% . Everyone is different.

Makes sense, I just wasn't sure if there was a point where flavor would affect the vape itself .. like inhaling more flavor than vapor.

I mentioned I was picky, but I'm also pretty simple .. I don't think I need too many flavors, just a nice vanilla with a hint of cinnamon would do me fine .. or just straight vanilla.

As soon as my shipment comes, I'll have FW Cinnamon Roll, TFA Vanilla Bean Ice Cream, and IW Shisha Vanilla.

Can always add/order more flavors if I need something extra of course.

 

[tara81]

Alfred’s Pudding

3 Dough Nuts: Simple Vanilla Powdered Donut

Vanilla Almond Milk

Creamy Vanilla Custard*!*!*


Buttermilk Pie

So cinnamon without any apple flavour? Lots of cinnamon recipes have apple in them ;D

Don’t worry about apple pie flavouring , it’s a great pie flavour , lacking in apple.

 

[TylerA]

This is more along the lines of what I'm thinking.

Vanilla and cinnamon shake/ice cream. Super simple lol :/

 

[tara81]

I’d test out 3% vanilla bean once cream and 1% inwara shisha vanilla and go from there

Those two vanillas pair nicely,

 

[TylerA]

Thank you, @tara81

I was going to try 2% and 2%, but I'll take your advice on this since it will be literally my first time ever mixing. Do you think this will be ok to try on the spot, or will it need to steep? I was going to try and make a bunch of 10ml batches at different flavor percentages to see what I like best.

 

[tara81]

I don’t like cinnamon vapes so I cannot really help with the cinnamon lol. Flavour notes are saying cinnamon roll by fw, it’s decent, abit strong on cinnamon that mellows out after a steep of five days.

 

[tara81]

You can try vanilla without steeping, but it might taste abit flat, I find creams taste better after a short 4-7 day steep.

 

[TylerA]

Perfect, I'll give that a go then. I really appreciate your help!

 

[tara81]

You can try 2% and 2% if u like, sounds good also it looks like most people use cinnamon roll at 2.5%. - 5% in a mix, so a test recipe can be like

4% cinnamon roll
2% vanilla bean ice cream
2% shisha vanilla

 

[TylerA]

I'll definitely give that a try too. I bought 1000ml of PG/VG ... so I have a lot of wiggle room

 

[TylerA]

So, as a followup, I got my DIY stuff today. I mixed up a batch of 2% cinnamon roll, 2% vanilla shisha, and 3% VBIC @ 6mg nic.

Not a huge fan of the vanilla I bought, I'll have to do some more playing around, but the vanilla is too much of a dessert, almost like a cake or something? I'm not sure how to explain other than that. Going to try the Shisha Vanilla solo as well.

I'm curious if anyone has experience with using Vanillin or Ethyl Vanillin ... maybe that's more of what I'm looking for, I'm not sure.

I'd really like to match or come close to the Vype Infused Vanilla .. so if any DIY'er that's tried it can point me in the right direction, I would be super happy. I think a 10ml bottle costs like $7 .. I'd even pay for it and shipping to someone that could mad scientist a recipe together that's similar

 

[IDJoel]

I'd really like to match or come close to the Vype Infused Vanilla

Make sure you are looking at the flavor you are trying to replicate/get close to, carefully. I am unfamiliar with Vype products; but, when I search the flavor on line, I see the two following descriptions repeated over and over:
"A blend of sweet and creamy vanilla and caramel tones."
or
"A blend of vanilla with caramel tones."

To me, that means you are not dealing with just a vanillia flavor. At minimum; you likely have a vanilla + caramel flavor. And, as much as a sweet cream (or cream + sweetener) + vanilla + caramel. So, what on the surface looks to be simple, can quickly become more complicated.

What you, as someone familiar with the original e-liquid has to decide, is how these flavors are layered. Is it a cream base, with vanilla, and caramel in the background? Or, is it more caramel forward, with a bouquet of vanilla, and only a creamy texture? Or, something else entirely? Only you can describe what your taste buds are expecting.

Going only off the vendor descriptions... I can guess that it is rather unlikely, that a single vanilla concentrate will provide what you are looking for. I would be more inclined to look at classic vanillas like Madagascar, or Bourbon (both regional references; not booze) for the vanilla note; a caramel; and either a sweet cream, or whipped cream to add a light creaminess to the mix.

I am not really sure what Cinnamon Roll has to do with the original flavor profile, but that would certainly explain where you are getting the cakiness in your trial batch. And VBIC is certainly a popular dairy note, but may be a bit too assertive for your intended profile (unless you would describe it more as an ice cream/milkshake type of vape.

Again, I am not familiar with Vype, so this is entirely speculation on my part.

Side thought regarding ethyl vanillin:
I find, from my own use; ethyl vanillin is mostly beneficial for providing a boost to the aromatic notes associated with vanilla, and less about perceived taste. Some DIYers find that this can easily become a flavor killer (akin to EM). So, if you choose to experiment, keep percentage low (≤1%). Also like EM, vanillin is often found already present in many vanilla concentrates, so be wary of compounding effects which can lead to muting. Generally speaking; I don't consider adding vanillin, unless I am looking for more vanilla "nose."

 

[tara81]

Maybe the cinnamon roll is giving you the cake flavour, I am not sure what other cinnamons there are . Try just using vanilla bean ice cream solo and see how it goes.

 

[DeloresRose]

I always try a single flavor test. I like to see what they taste like alone, how they develop over time.

With the flavors you’re after, they are going to need to steep. And vanillas and cinnamon tend to get stronger after a few weeks.

Just measure carefully, take good notes, and have patience.

You may also want to get an RDA to test your mixes in. Good luck!

 

[TylerA]

@IDJoel hello again! The issue I have is that I really don't know how to explain the flavor .. only been vaping a few months and I'm definitely not a connoisseur in this or anything else (pretty sure my taste buds are still growing back and I'm a very plain person when it comes to foods). I cannot taste the caramel or caramel tones, it doesn't taste or feel creamy .. all I can really taste is the vanilla. It has maybe just a tiny hint of sweetness but nothing overpowering, doesn't have a cake or dessert/bakery taste. The juice itself almost smells like the vanilla extract you'd use for baking rather than a dessert vanilla, best way I can describe it.

I ordered the Cinnamon Roll just to try it out, not to match flavor .. was trying to go for a vanilla milkshake deal with some cinnamon on top. It didn't taste bad by any means, just too sweet for my taste, and not something I could vape all day.

I will try the vanilla's solo, but just from smelling them, I don't think its going to be what I'm after.

@DeloresRose I do have an RDA, bought a Recurve super cheap

Thanks to all of you, though ... the help and advice is definitely appreciated even though it may seem like I'm a stubborn mule ;(

 

[charlie1465]

Thanks to all of you, though ... the help and advice is definitely appreciated even though it may seem like I'm a stubborn mule ;(

You've had some good info here but going back to your original question I have a sort of 15% max bench mark on a multi flavour recipe. Sometimes a tiny bit more sometimes less.

When you over flavour you can start to get muting effects which actually (counter intuitively) make it taste weaker. For me 15% stops that happening for the most part....it doesn't stop me making a bad liquid though, although i've never made an un vape-able one

Happy mixing