PG vs VG

[izaidi]

I know VG is thicker, slightly sweeter, provides more vapor, and is allergy friendly.

But between PG and VG which provides more throat hit and flavor?

Otherwise, as a new vaper, I am really looking for a smoke like hit. I like to fill my lungs and throat with smoke. I think a lot of vapor might help in this regard.

If I want to go with 100% VG juice are there any real trade offs?

I've read that some atomizers don't worth with VG juice. How can I figure out which atomizers work and wont work with 100% VG juice before buying them?

Right now I am considering to buy an eRoll or an Joye Ego-C starter kit. If I go with the Ego-C setup, I will probably buy some kind of clearomizer as well.

 

[FACE MEAT]

Try a 100% PG, a 100% VG and a 50/50. Mtbakervapor.com sells 15 ml bottles in any PG/VG ratio for $4.99.

 

[Horselady154]

Throat hit is from PG. If I were you, I'd start out with 50/50 and then adjust from there.

 

[fabricator4]

I've read that some atomizers don't worth with VG juice. How can I figure out which atomizers work and wont work with 100% VG juice before buying them?

VG has a higher viscosity (is thicker) than PG so it doesn't wick as well or as quickly. If you need to run only VG the solution seems to be to add something to thin it out. The usual thinning agents are distilled or filtered water, or vodka. I'm not sure I'd recommend the vodka option as alcohol is readily absorbed by inhalation, but it's really such a small amount there's probably no harm.

Unless you've got an allergy problem with PG however, why not just go with a mix with a higher ratio of VG to PG as has been suggested. You may still need to thin it a little if you have problems.

The normal ratio of PG:VG is 80:20 or 70:30 in many cases.

Chris

 

[izaidi]

VG has a higher viscosity (is thicker) than PG so it doesn't wick as well or as quickly. If you need to run only VG the solution seems to be to add something to thin it out. The usual thinning agents are distilled or filtered water, or vodka. I'm not sure I'd recommend the vodka option as alcohol is readily absorbed by inhalation, but it's really such a small amount there's probably no harm.

Unless you've got an allergy problem with PG however, why not just go with a mix with a higher ratio of VG to PG as has been suggested. You may still need to thin it a little if you have problems.

The normal ratio of PG:VG is 80:20 or 70:30 in many cases.

Chris

I'm just looking for a smoke like hit. When smoking a cigarette, I do pull the smoke deep into my lungs and hold it. I like that feeling. I need it just as much as the nicotine fix. I've been finding I have to vape along time on the 510 disposable I have right now to fulfill that feeling. Well beyond the point at which I have satisfied my nicotine craving. So I think that maybe I need more vapor. On the juice side, 100% VG might work for me.

It would be really nice to know what atomizers work with 100% VG or even higher VG ratios. Without having to spend money to figure that out via trial and error.

 

[fabricator4]

It would be really nice to know what atomizers work with 100% VG or even higher VG ratios. Without having to spend money to figure that out via trial and error.

Most of them use a similar mechanism: a silicate fiber wick that transfers the liquid to the element for vapourisation. It's likely that some will have _less_ problems than others but I'm not sure you'll get a definitive answer here, and even then there's no saying it would work for you. Also, it's the PG that give you the throat hit, not the VG. There's very good reasons why most people go with a 70:30 or 80:20 mix even when they mix their own. The only guaranteed way to make pure Glycerin work would be to drip, or dilute it with water.

I'm just looking for a smoke like hit. When smoking a cigarette, I do pull the smoke deep into my lungs and hold it. I like that feeling.

I'm wondering if you're just dragging too hard. You _can_ get a smoke like hit from a vapouriser, but the technique is a little different. Have a look at my answer to this thread, and in fact that whole thread and see if it helps at all.

Chris

 

[izaidi]

Most of them use a similar mechanism: a silicate fiber wick that transfers the liquid to the element for vapourisation. It's likely that some will have _less_ problems than others but I'm not sure you'll get a definitive answer here, and even then there's no saying it would work for you. Also, it's the PG that give you the throat hit, not the VG. There's very good reasons why most people go with a 70:30 or 80:20 mix even when they mix their own. The only guaranteed way to make pure Glycerin work would be to drip, or dilute it with water.


I'm wondering if you're just dragging too hard. You _can_ get a smoke like hit from a vapouriser, but the technique is a little different. Have a look at my answer to this thread, and in fact that whole thread and see if it helps at all.

Chris

Your replies have been very useful. Thanks so much for your help. The other thread was mine too, so I did read that post! I have learned to take slow deep pulls with my disposable.

 

[izaidi]

Try a 100% PG, a 100% VG and a 50/50. Mtbakervapor.com sells 15 ml bottles in any PG/VG ratio for $4.99.

wow thats cheap! but im in canada. and i would have to pay heavy shipping. the cheapest local supplier i can find sells 30ml for $15 here, or 5ml for $5. maybe i need to shop around more.

 

[izaidi]

Throat hit is from PG. If I were you, I'd start out with 50/50 and then adjust from there.

So PG definitely gives the throat hit? I got to try an eRoll today and it was much nicer than the 510 disposable i was trying out to see if vaping is for me. It gave alot more vapor. And I was thinking vapor is what i needed to feel satisfied. And that was partially true. But something was still missing.

I think I need more throat hit too. So VG Juices will give me more vapor, and PG more throat hit?

 

[StevesCVO]

So PG definitely gives the throat hit? I got to try an eRoll today and it was much nicer than the 510 disposable i was trying out to see if vaping is for me. It gave alot more vapor. And I was thinking vapor is what i needed to feel satisfied. And that was partially true. But something was still missing.

I think I need more throat hit too. So VG Juices will give me more vapor, and PG more throat hit?

Yes. Also a higher nic level will give more TH.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Here's a list of juice components:

Flavoring usually about 15%- could be higher or lower depending on the flavor used.
PG enhances flavor, TH and lung hit- water like- many of us believe it to be a throat irritant
VG= vapor and can mute flavor- thick
Nicotine- TH, lung hit and our need for nicotine. The MOST important ingredient in regards to TH and lung hit.
Standards in the industry are 80/ 20 or 70/ 30 PG/ VG. I vape 70/ 30 PG/ VG.

 

[Deboo]

For the most part I have been vaping for over 2 years. I usually stick with the 70pg/30vg ratio. It seems to be just all around good for almost all the different styles of atty's I have tried. Just stick with that ratio and if you find you don't get enough vapor look into variable voltage mods.

 

[Cool_Breeze]

My 2 cents worth...

Nicotine in the primary contributor to throat hit. VG can mute that some.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-liquid-discussion/237271-vg-pg-explained.html

 

[Scott Ralston]

...............................Hey man !

For me Propylene Glycol is way to coarse, and vaping it is out of the question. The sensation isn't a throat hit to me. It's just plain "rough".

+1 ...Got 30ml of 50/50 and it might not get used. Way to rough for me.

Scott

 

[Altaire Versailles]

I don't like pg very much.I've used 80% and 70% pg and it gives throat hit yes but that's not what i need from smoking or vaping, i want nic. Pg irritates my throat lungs and mouth. if i vape to much it makes my mouth and throat swell up and feel raw. 30% is doable but i just don't like it. Vg is so sweet it over powers the flavor of the juice a bit but so what its not a big deal i vape set juices anyway.still more enjoyable to me than pg. im doing strictly 80 or 100%vg from now on.

 

[izaidi]

Yes. Also a higher nic level will give more TH.

im already using 18mg and it is satisfying my raw nicotine cravings. so i don't want to go higher on the nic level. i just want more throat hit.

but thanks for your message.

 

[izaidi]

Here's a list of juice components:

Flavoring usually about 15%- could be higher or lower depending on the flavor used.
PG enhances flavor, TH and lung hit- water like- many of us believe it to be a throat irritant
VG= vapor and can mute flavor- thick
Nicotine- TH, lung hit and our need for nicotine. The MOST important ingredient in regards to TH and lung hit.
Standards in the industry are 80/ 20 or 70/ 30 PG/ VG. I vape 70/ 30 PG/ VG.

Thank You. That was very clear and concise! I was first leaning to VG for the vapor, but now I think I want a higher PG for the throat hit, or I will have to increase my nic level from 18 to 24.

It seems if I do a high VG and a high nic level ... I can get both a lot of vapor and strong throat hit. With some high voltage, that might work out really well! Just worried the nicotine maybe too much for me.

 

[izaidi]

It isn't the nicotine level, and it definitely isn't the VG. I do use different flavours and some are much better than others with regards to throat hit. But the one flavour that i can't put down is "menthol".

so your saying the methol flavor is adding throat hit for you? do any other flavors add to throat hit?

 

[izaidi]

My 2 cents worth...

Nicotine in the primary contributor to throat hit. VG can mute that some.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-liquid-discussion/237271-vg-pg-explained.html

thanks! nice write up. I think im pretty clear on pg vs vg now!

 

[bfrie]

so your saying the methol flavor is adding throat hit for you? do any other flavors add to throat hit?

menthol doesnt add much throat hit for me, but it does make the vapor feel more like smoke in my lungs

in my experience, menthol flavors are good for occasional vapes, and when your really sick and cant taste your favorite juices