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izaidi

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menthol doesnt add much throat hit for me, but it does make the vapor feel more like smoke in my lungs

in my experience, menthol flavors are good for occasional vapes, and when your really sick and cant taste your favorite juices

sounds like they are definitely worth a try. what do you mean it makes the vapor feel more like smoke in your lungs? thats exactly the feeling im missing right now!!! maybe a few drops of menthol to any juice im smoking might help then ..
 

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VG has a higher viscosity (is thicker) than PG so it doesn't wick as well or as quickly. If you need to run only VG the solution seems to be to add something to thin it out. The usual thinning agents are distilled or filtered water, or vodka. I'm not sure I'd recommend the vodka option as alcohol is readily absorbed by inhalation, but it's really such a small amount there's probably no harm.

Unless you've got an allergy problem with PG however, why not just go with a mix with a higher ratio of VG to PG as has been suggested. You may still need to thin it a little if you have problems.

The normal ratio of PG:VG is 80:20 or 70:30 in many cases.

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Thanks, I will try this
 

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Thank You. That was very clear and concise! I was first leaning to VG for the vapor, but now I think I want a higher PG for the throat hit, or I will have to increase my nic level from 18 to 24.

It seems if I do a high VG and a high nic level ... I can get both a lot of vapor and strong throat hit. With some high voltage, that might work out really well! Just worried the nicotine maybe too much for me.

You're welcome. I'll give you an example of using diff ratios. I began at 36 mg nic. I'm now down to 2 mg nic and had no TH. I changed my PG/ VG ratio from 60/ 40 to 85/ 15 PG/ VG and now have TH although I know it's more throat irritation. Also added menthol drops to my juice.

If I want to go with 100% VG juice are there any real trade offs?
VG doesn't wick as well as a PG/ VG ratio- some use alcohol or distilled water to thin it out. VG will also give a weak TH and mute flavors.

Right now I am considering to buy an eRoll or an Joye Ego-C starter kit. If I go with the Ego-C setup, I will probably buy some kind of clearomizer as well.
eRoll fires at 3.7 volts but is only 90 mah (PCC is 1000 mah) and has proprietary threading.
eGo- C fires at 3.3 volts unless you get the eGo C upgrade. Kgo fires at 3.7 volts and is a solid PV.
 
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You're welcome. I'll give you an example of using diff ratios. I began at 36 mg nic. I'm now down to 2 mg nic and had no TH. I changed my PG/ VG ratio from 60/ 40 to 85/ 15 PG/ VG and now have TH although I know it's more throat irritation. Also added menthol drops to my juice.


VG doesn't wick as well as a PG/ VG ratio- some use alcohol or distilled water to thin it out. VG will also give a weak TH and mute flavors.


eRoll fires at 3.7 volts but is only 90 mah (PCC is 1000 mah) and has proprietary threading.
eGo- C fires at 3.3 volts unless you get the eGo C upgrade. Kgo fires at 3.7 volts and is a solid PV.

Wow your down to 2mg! Thats awesome. the eGo C upgrade your talking about the twist right? I think the rest of the Joye eGo batters are unregulated voltage at 3.3v ?
 

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Wow your down to 2mg! Thats awesome. the eGo C upgrade your talking about the twist right? I think the rest of the Joye eGo batters are unregulated voltage at 3.3v ?

Thank you izaidi. Was supposed to quit last New Years and didn't but it's no big deal. No the eGo C Upgrade is not the Twist. It has 2 settings- one @ 3.3 volts (batt lasts longer) and the other setting @ approx 3.7 volts- batt drains quicker until it shuts off @ 3.2 volts.

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JoyTech eGo fires @ 3.3 volts, SmokTech eGo fires @ 3.7 volts and the Riva/ Kgo fires @ 3.7 volts- come in 650, 900 or 1100 mah depending on the manufacturer- most popular 510 threading/ connection and are manual. I own a Kgo and I LOVE it. Have used the JoyTech eGo and prefer the Kgo because of the higher voltage.
eGo Starter Kit cost anywhere from $50- $80.
Riva/ Kgo starter kit costs about $40-$50:

Mini Variable Volt PV: 510 threading/ connection. Manual Batteries.
Kgo VV- only comes in 650 mah- I own it and find battery life a problem.

Twist comes in 650, 900 and 1000 mah. Dial very narrow/ smooth and not easy to turn. Voltage numbers very hard to read/ invisible. Button occasionally sticks.

Vision Spinner comes in 400, 650, 900, 1100 and 1300 mah. Wide knurled voltage dial easy to turn and easy to read voltage markings. 1300 mah Spinner is the same size as 1000 Twist.
Both variable voltage PVs above fire from 3.3-4.8 volts.
I owned the Twists and now use them as backups because the dial was hard to turn and I could not clearly see the voltage markings.
1300 Vision Spinner- 113mm or ~4.4 inches long; 16MM WIDE, 2MM WIDER THAN A STANDARD EGO
1100 Vision Spinner- 119mm or ~4.75 inches long
1000 Twist- Length 120mm(4.75")/Diameter 14mm

Advantage of the VV- when stressed and need a stronger hit I can easily and quickly dial up the voltage.
 

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I second the Vision 1300 mah Spinners or really any decent VV device for that matter. It's not only nice to be able to adjust how "hot" you vape, for a stronger hit, but a lot of juices like different voltages... will taste and/or feel different at different voltages. I tend to vape my fruity light colored juices at a lower voltage and my darker stuff, like "Fudge Brownie" about .5 volt higher. Same goes with different PG/VG ratios... I think for the most part the higher VG ratio likes higher voltage as well (in my experience anyway).

I can also second the recommendation for Mtbakervapors. Not only are their juices fresh made the day you order them (and many are quite tasty) but you can also specify nic level, PG/VG ratio AND "extra flavor shots", sort of like ordering one of those expensive coffees... This is nice because as I go up in VG content (for more vapor) I notice the flavors DO get a bit muted... Adding two or three "extra shots" compensates for this quite nicely. Their prices are *extremely* good too... once you find a flavor you really like you can save a ton of $$$ by buying in bigger bottles... for example... 15ml = US$4.95... 30ml = +2.50... 50ml = +6.00!!! That's US$11 for 50ml! (They sell 236 ml bottles for around $31!)
 

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I can also second the recommendation for Mtbakervapors. Not only are their juices fresh made the day you order them (and many are quite tasty) but you can also specify nic level, PG/VG ratio AND "extra flavor shots", sort of like ordering one of those expensive coffees... This is nice because as I go up in VG content (for more vapor) I notice the flavors DO get a bit muted... Adding two or three "extra shots" compensates for this quite nicely. Their prices are *extremely* good too... once you find a flavor you really like you can save a ton of $$$ by buying in bigger bottles... for example... 15ml = US$4.95... 30ml = +2.50... 50ml = +6.00!!! That's US$11 for 50ml! (They sell 236 ml bottles for around $31!)

WOW. Thats ridiculously cheap. I live in Canada though. They would have to ship it unmarked or it will probably get stopped at border services. Thanks for letting me know though. Best price I can find here is $15 for 30ml but thats for local pickup here in Toronto. Ill have to look across canada later.
 
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Thanks for the information. And love the idea of getting a stronger hit whenever you need it!

Yes it is nice being able to adjust the voltages. Also some juices taste better at higher or lower voltage. Also able to use a wider range of ohms delivery devices (holds and vaporizes juice). Hardware easy enuff to get from outside Canada but juice is hit and miss with Customs. If you order from Canvape and pickup at their stalls you'll save the $10 shipping...expect to spend a couple of hrs there looking at all the diff stuff. Best stall I've found is the Downsview one and David's a pretty cool guy.
 

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Yes anytime u order from the US there's a chance it well get stopped at the border, so I have read. I myself have has no problems yet getting liquid from the US, but I assume that is only a matter of time so I keep my orders under 30 bucks, If I lose it oh we'll. There are some very good liquids up here, but that's dependent on what each likes. GL.
 

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Yes it is nice being able to adjust the voltages. Also some juices taste better at higher or lower voltage. Also able to use a wider range of ohms delivery devices (holds and vaporizes juice). Hardware easy enuff to get from outside Canada but juice is hit and miss with Customs. If you order from Canvape and pickup at their stalls you'll save the $10 shipping...expect to spend a couple of hrs there looking at all the diff stuff. Best stall I've found is the Downsview one and David's a pretty cool guy.

couple of hours! wow. does he let you try out hardware?
 
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couple of hours! wow. does he let you try out hardware?

Yes he is my number 1 vendor and is #1 in Canada. Everyone else also feels the same. He's also ECF liste/ verified which means he must abide by a strict code of ethics. It's not only the prices but, more importantly, when a new product becomes available and customers ask him to stock it he does so.
He's also one of 50 Forum Suppliers on the main page here at ECF.
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Bottom line if he was dishonest and/ or selling garbage or overpriced junk I'd be the first in line to be "dissing" him. Once I send you the pm explaining everything you'll understand why the HATE.
Compare:
Canvape: Vision Vivi Nova incl 3 heads= $5.95. Long wick replacement heads= $1.50 each
Competitor: Vision Vivi Nova incl 1 head-= $8.00. Short Wick (older and discontinued as it had wicking issues)= $2.49 each
Who would you choose?
 
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Yes he is my number 1 vendor and is #1 in Canada. Everyone else also feels the same. He's also ECF liste/ verified which means he must abide by a strict code of ethics. It's not only the prices but, more importantly, when a new product becomes available and customers ask him to stock it he does so.
He's also one 50 Forum Suppliers on the main page here at ECF.
CanVape
Bottom line if he was dishonest and/ or selling garbage or overpriced junk I'd be the first in line to be "dissing" him. Once I send you the pm explaining everything you'll understand why the HATE.
Compare:
Canvape: Vision Vivi Nova incl 3 heads= $5.95. Long wick replacement heads= $1.50 each
Competitor: Vision Vivi Nova incl 1 head-= $8.00. Short Wick (older and discontinued as it had wicking issues)= $2.49 each
Who would you choose?

Thanks please do send me the pm. I think I might checkout the donsview stall next weekend.
 

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PG and nic level will contribute the most to throat hit. If you are leaning towards heavy vg and you vape 18mg+ you should probably still get a throat hit. As far as atomizers, if you are using a decent dripping atomizer, I don't think you should have too much problems with a vg heavy juice. If you are talking about clearomizers, I think VG heavy juices will not work well, you may want to try looking into cartomizers or a good dripping atty, I like the ones I've tried from avid vapor - the cisco spec, aero, or the hh.357 (these cater to different price ranges...)
 

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PG - throat hit and flavor
VG - vapor production
Nicotine - higher it is, the more it takes away from the flavor

Best mix for me after years of vaping is 50/50. That's why most vendors are selling 50/50 mixes.... they've figured out the majority's sweet spot!! (I say majority because it's always your own preference)
 

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So PG definitely gives the throat hit? I got to try an eRoll today and it was much nicer than the 510 disposable i was trying out to see if vaping is for me. It gave alot more vapor. And I was thinking vapor is what i needed to feel satisfied. And that was partially true. But something was still missing.

I think I need more throat hit too. So VG Juices will give me more vapor, and PG more throat hit?

VG will produce the lots of vapor, and has it's own, very mild sweet taste if the temp is right. PG add a throat hit and is often used to loosen up VG. Also PG brings out the taste of flavors generally much better than VG. Adding a small amount of distilled water will also loosen up VG and give a major TH depending on the amount added. You won't generally find fluids for sale with water in them since that opens up those companies to all sorts of regulations and controls. Hope this helps.
 
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