PG vs VG

[Aqueous1025]

How different is PG vs Vg? Is PG supposed to flow like water or thinner? Is VG supposed to flow like corn syrup or molasses? Just curios because everything in town I buy is thick sticky and syrupy? I got some Halo in last night and tried it but it is a very very thin fluid by a world of difference?

 

[Susan~S]

Purity of PG, VG and PEG - The Short Version

PG = Propylene Glycol - the "flavor carrier" of e-liquid. A secondary source of "throat hit", but not as strong as the nicotine concentration. Some people have a sensitivity or even an allergy to PG. It's very thin.

VG = Vegetable Glycerin - the "vapor maker" of e-liquid. Used as a sweeter in many food sources, and also as a skin emollient. It's very thick.

PG and VG are often used together in different ratios in e-liquid. For example, a 50/50 PG/VG ratio. Some juice vendors offer a range of different ratios as far as PG/VG.

 

[Aqueous1025]

Thank you. Only having seen the stuff in town and being a newb I guess I was just surprised at the vast difference from what I have been getting in my town and what I got in the mail.

 

[invisiblehand13]

I work in a vape shop that only uses heavy VG ratios and I know what everyone says but from my personal experience (keep in mind I use a dripper and not a tank) Heavy VG juice (the thicker ones) carry more vapor and flavor IMO. I know that everyone claims that PG carries more flavor but I just dont get that. I have both VG and PG in shop and when I mix juice I only add VG so I get an 80/20 blend (this is only because there is PG in the extracts as a flavor preservative) and the nicotine we use in shop is also VG based and not PG based like some shops. So in short you just have to ask questions if you are going to a B and M (brick and mortar) shop like the one I work in.

 

[CigmundFreud]

So far I haven't really seen a difference between VG and PG in terms of vapor production. As far as flavor goes, I think the actual company and their technique is what makes the real impact. As far as throat hit goes, they say PG is supposed to provide more, but the only thing I see that actually makes a difference for throat hit is the nicotene amount. I wouldn't stress too much over pg or vg. Just focus on finding a flavor from a company you like.

 

[FastNick]

Now explain me a thing please. I bought from Walmart a bottle of 99.5 pure VG and I drip it in to one of my RDA's. So pure VG no nicotine, flavor or PG. The taste was horrible. Why ?

 

[Auxx]

I work in a vape shop that only uses heavy VG ratios and I know what everyone says but from my personal experience (keep in mind I use a dripper and not a tank) Heavy VG juice (the thicker ones) carry more vapor and flavor IMO. I know that everyone claims that PG carries more flavor but I just dont get that. I have both VG and PG in shop and when I mix juice I only add VG so I get an 80/20 blend (this is only because there is PG in the extracts as a flavor preservative) and the nicotine we use in shop is also VG based and not PG based like some shops. So in short you just have to ask questions if you are going to a B and M (brick and mortar) shop like the one I work in.

That's because you use a dripper. For the sake of experiment try buying two cheap clearos like evods or something. Make one 80% PG mix and one 20% PG mix and you will see that heavy VG mix is tasteless in a clearo.

The thing is that PG boiling temperature is lower, so PG based liquids overheat faster in RDAs and lose all the flavour. But VG stands like a champ. When you use low temp devices like clearos or tanks with small decks, you will need PG to deliver the flavour.

You can actually try vaping PG based liquids in your RDA with DNA40 temperature control, you will notice that the flavour is so intense that it burns you and you will catch vapers tongue very fast.

 

[zapped]

I work in a vape shop that only uses heavy VG ratios and I know what everyone says but from my personal experience (keep in mind I use a dripper and not a tank) Heavy VG juice (the thicker ones) carry more vapor and flavor IMO. I know that everyone claims that PG carries more flavor but I just dont get that. I have both VG and PG in shop and when I mix juice I only add VG so I get an 80/20 blend (this is only because there is PG in the extracts as a flavor preservative) and the nicotine we use in shop is also VG based and not PG based like some shops. So in short you just have to ask questions if you are going to a B and M (brick and mortar) shop like the one I work in.

PG does carry more flavor. Its not subjective, its a fact.

What your shop is likely doing is adding more flavoring to compensate.

If you go to a premium e-juice site like Alien Visions or Fusion they put as much as 30 percent flavoring in their high VG juices and this is why they dont offer flavor shots.

The extra flavoring also thins the juice a bit, making it easier to wick by your various juice delivery devices.

 

[stevegmu]

Halo is high PG, hence the flavor and throat hit. I think many shops just make what their customers want- high VG juice for clouds...

 

[invisiblehand13]

Um no...my shop does not compensate by using extra flavoring, and yes I am well aware of what it does in a clearomizer as over 75% {Moderated} use only a clearomizer. I am not a newbie to this and our shop only uses premium extracts and kosher usp grade vg as well as vg based nicotine, and yes it is subjective and not a fact as we are talking about two different human beings here, yourself and I, I said my opinion was my opinion and my opinion is shared by all of my customers as well.

 

[invisiblehand13]

As a side note I have experimented with heavy pg blends and the throat hit is the most noticable difference and flavor does not feel like it carries as well when i do not get as dense of a cloud, this also has to do with airflow control and as previously stated this is all subjective to me and my experience and my customers for the most part share my views although some do not but that is the point, everyone is different and stating that what you are saying is fact is not making it a fact.

 

[Aqueous1025]

Actually I am dripping the 6nic Halo Turkish and the flavor is subtle and the throat hit is moderately strong but really smooth. I am currently vaping at 0.485 ohms dual coil. I would have to say yes the cloud is moderate compared to the store shops mix but the taste is amazing. I am definitely going to buy a whole 30 ml and see how I feel after smoking it for a longer period of time.

Thank you again for the posts it is helping me to learn.

 

[zapped]

Um no...my shop does not compensate by using extra flavoring, and yes I am well aware of what it does in a clearomizer as over 75%{Moderated}use only a clearomizer. I am not a newbie to this and our shop only uses premium extracts and kosher usp grade vg as well as vg based nicotine, and yes it is subjective and not a fact as we are talking about two different human beings here, yourself and I, I said my opinion was my opinion and my opinion is shared by all of my customers as well.

Im not going to argue with you about this.

The anecdotal evidence reported on this forum by thousands of experienced vapers speaks for itself.

Clearomizers are nowhere near the optimum juice delivery device for high VG juices either.

 

[Dickyjim]

In my experience high vg blends are much thicker and produce more vapor however don't work well in most tanks/ clearo's due to wicking issues. PG blends are thinner and give more of a throat hit they still produce vapor but clouds are not as dense. Like most things in vaping it comes down to personal preference and what equipment your are using. I have a variety of devices and a variety of juice blends and use the higher vg stuff if a dripper and the higher pg stuff in a tank.

 

[township]

Now explain me a thing please. I bought from Walmart a bottle of 99.5 pure VG and I drip it in to one of my RDA's. So pure VG no nicotine, flavor or PG. The taste was horrible. Why ?

That's what VG tastes like. Lots of folks really like it. Go figure.

 

[TheBikeGuy]

I prefer to stealth vape. I use 100% PG. I get a throat hit harder than a full flavor cigarette at only about 7 watts. If I hold the vapor about 2 seconds or less, I leave no trace of a cloud and almost no smell. I can vape right next to someone and they will never know it unless they see me take a hit. I started doing this so I didn't get caught vaping at work and it became habit.

 

[GinnyTx]

I use 100% VG except for one Vaping Rabbit's White Rabbit..

and it's a little thicker, than juices I had previously that were 50/50 at least, I get flavor shots because the subtle all VG ones just taste "slimy" to me...vapor vapor vapor though.

PG tends to give a froggy throat..I do better on the VG.

 

[stevegmu]

Too much VG feels like I'm inhaling something I shouldn't be...

 

[dice57]

It's all about personal preference, everyone is different. Personally find high PG juices to harsh, prefer at least a 70% VG blend. For me, much smoother and enjoyable. For mixing, I use a PG base carrier for nic, find it much easier to handle, draw, and mix.

Finding ones preferred VG/PG ratio, is probably one of the most frustrating things about vape, but once found, vape becomes much more easy to figure out.

 

[AndriaD]

Too much VG feels like I'm inhaling something I shouldn't be...

Yeah, I was just gonna add... VG is just too thick for some people, and gives them heavy/tight chest/breathing. Some people are more sensitive to the irritating effect of PG, and either can't vape it at all, or have to keep it to a minimum. It really just depends on the person. If I vape more than 20% VG, I can't breathe. Normally I vape at 85% PG, and have no issues with it, but when I was coming down with a cold, vaping 90% PG seriously irritated my throat; it was bright red and very sore. You just have to find what works for you.

Andria