Phoenix on a Silver Bullet?

[DeadPerfect]

can ayone recommend the correct amount of wraps to use? just ordered a phoenix and some wire and wick...
silver bullet with 18650 aw 2200mah battery
Type D 32 Guage .9ohm per inch, Kanthal Wire
Silica wick
a genuine regular size phoenix atomizer.

plan on getting a zmax, but want to try this thing out on my silver bullet. put my silver bullet away months ago, and started back up smoking real cigs. got tired of the bad taste and slight nausea from atomizers, due to over vaping to get satisfied. recently been reading up on the new setups, so i would like to quit cigs again for good. thanks.

 

[Butters78]

I've been using the phoenix on my silver bullet and it's been great. The only thing though is that it's kicked. I checked the ohms first on my provari before I put it on so there won't be any shorts etc. If you decide to get a kick later that is great because if your wraps are off and you dont get the right ohms it will be at your favorite wattage.

 

[DeadPerfect]

kicked? whats that? just want to know how many coil wraps to use, as ive heard the stock coils sucks, even with vari-volt mods

 

[BuzzKilla]

The Kick by Evolv (same guys that make the darwin), is drop in Variable Wattage device that fits in your bullet.

your wraps depend on many ohms you want.

If you used;
Low resistance attys, then you want a 1.5 ohm coil.
Standard resistance, wrap to 2.4 ohms

for repairable atomizers you will need a multi meter to check your ohms.

we each wrap coils differently, we cant just tell you how many wraps... diameter of wick + how many times you fold over the wick will change the ohms drastically on any amount of wraps...

get a multi-meter and wrap a coil, if its too high reduce a coil, if its too low add a coil... you get the idea.

 

[DeadPerfect]

thanks for the help. still nowhere. ill just make a few. not getting a mod for a silver bullet. not getting a multi-meter. ill just buy a zmax

 

[BuzzKilla]

you got to give some specifics of what you like...

hot vape, cool vape, harsh vape?

 

[j4mmin42]

not to rain on your parade, but setting up your very first coils will be challenging without getting a resistance reading. I mean, you spent a good deal of cash on the "genuine phoenix", and you got the right kind of wire...you even have the right mod to use it on.

a Multimeter is like $10 @ the big-box stores. You aren't using SS, so you'll probably be all right without one- but to figure out the right resistance without it, you'll have to measure out the correct amount of wire, and wrap it *perfectly*.

I'll be honest here, I don't use a multimeter anymore- but I've been at it a long time. A very long time, actually. If you want to go ahead and wrap a coil, try to shoot for about 1.5 ohms to start. Add more wraps if it's too harsh, remove some wraps if you want more power. Don't take 32 gauge below 1 ohm, it doesn't work well.

 

[BuzzKilla]

thanks for the help. still nowhere. ill just make a few. not getting a mod for a silver bullet. not getting a multi-meter. ill just buy a zmax

SilverBullet with OR without Kick, is still way better than a zmax...
Especially considering you have a rebuildable attached to it.

but hey, that is just my opinion.

 

[Thompson]

Your going to need a multimeter.

Since your PV doesn't read resistance or have built in short-circuit protection to me it is absolutely required.

I view them as an essential part of the PV tool kit, and especially RBA.

I've got 32awg Kanthal A-1, with a 5/6 wrap I'm getting 2Ω.

But determining ohms based on kanthal type & wraps isn't exactly a science. I don't think it'll be easy for anybody to just throw out a number with a guarantee it'll be a specific Ω. Even more difficult without the basics as BuzzKilla asked for above.

 

[DeadPerfect]

i can handle making coils. use to wrap speaker coils by hand. and why would i buy a multimeter, when the zmax can give you an ohm reading?

not sure why its so hard for someone to tell me the correct coil wrap amount and loop distance on a static output mod like a silver bullet, with a piece of silica wick. its not rocket science. just looking for someone that does it with an SB. thanks.

also, my AW 18650 2200 mah batteries have a protected circuit.

 

[Royaldrunker]

dont go for the zmax i would go for the vamo for less than half the money and can use 18350 and 18650 bateries also vv and vm works awesome

 

[Butters78]

i can handle making coils. use to wrap speaker coils by hand. and why would i buy a multimeter, when the zmax can give you an ohm reading?

not sure why its so hard for someone to tell me the correct coil wrap amount and loop distance on a static output mod like a silver bullet, with a piece of silica wick. its not rocket science. just looking for someone that does it with an SB. thanks.

also, my AW 18650 2200 mah batteries have a protected circuit.

 

[DeadPerfect]

all im looking for is a great throat hit, and satisified from about a dozen hits. i dont care about vapor, or flavors. i vape Halo prime 15, 24mg.

 

[j4mmin42]

Your going to need a multimeter.


I've got 32awg Kanthal A-1, with a 5/6 wrap I'm getting 2Ω.

But determining ohms based on kanthal type & wraps isn't exactly a science. I don't think it'll be easy for anybody to just throw out a number with a guarantee it'll be a specific Ω. Even more difficult without the basics as BuzzKilla asked for above.

With silica, it's not just going to be hard for anyone to guess- it's damn near impossible to specify the number of wraps for a given resistance. The only way to do it without a multimeter is by either having lots of experience or, less accurately, by measuring your length of kanthal.

It's not a world-ending problem if you don't use a multimeter- so long as you are using safer-chemistry batts (imr). By chance, if you're using the old batteries that people used to use on mech mods- like protected Lithium-Ion cells or similar- then you should stop what you're doing before your SB blows up in your face.

Back in the day, we used to take a lot more chances than people do nowadays- not to say that safety is overhyped but...I remember the days of stacking 3.7v unprotected camera batts...which was idiotic, but not many of us were as schooled in thermoelectrics as we are today...

 

[DeadPerfect]

hey EricHill78....

 

[j4mmin42]

Also, the SB is the same as any other mech mod, runs at 3.7v...so anyone using mech mods will know what to look for. Like I said, protected batts, measure a little less than two inches and make sure you wind most of it into the coil...wear safety goggles if you're freaked out by all the other comments...

Edit: sry not protected batts, IMR batts

 

[DeadPerfect]

Ninja, how is a protected battery gonna blow up in someones face. its PROTECTED. thats what you supposed to use with an SB, i use thiese:
https://www.lighthound.com/AW-18650-Protected-2200-mAh-Rechargeable-Lithium-Battery_p_105.html

 

[DeadPerfect]

dont go for the zmax i would go for the vamo for less than half the money and can use 18350 and 18650 bateries also vv and vm works awesome

ill check that one out, never heard of it. but from what i seen on youtube, the zmax is awesome. watched all of Optimo's videos on the vmax/zmax... thats what sold me.

 

[j4mmin42]

heh...heh...

I'm gonna let the rest of the safety squad take it from here.

All I'll say to that is IF you have a short, best case: your batt shuts down, PCB gets fried, and you're out $10...worst case...complete meltdown, fire, explooodezzz...

 

[Royaldrunker]

dont use protected, use imr as the protected will cut off amps to your unit..10 anp draw or go with better batteries at 30 amp draw