PIF Needs(will be closing soon)

[btngchck]

Wow.

I have been reading all of the posts and am not sure what to make of it all. It all seems kind of simple to me. PIF is a great place to be and has a lot of great people involved. I am sure you all agree. HyOnLyph has a great outlook that I cannot buy into, that's just me. That's what makes us all different.

There were some issues that each and every person deals with in their own way. It doesn't matter if I agree with how someone else handles a situation. I am not responsible for their feelings nor their actions. I am responsible for how I react to a situation. The Mods (all parts in tact) are responsible for handling unsuitable situations. It is our responsibility to pm a mod if we see something worth being notable. They then should handle it or not, according to ECF mod rules (or whatever you want to call them). We all have ideas and/or opinions that we feel strongly about, but this does not give us some passage to think we all need to be the same.

This is our neighborhood. We are not always going to agree on how something is taken care of. However, it is our responsibility to respect those that have been entrusted to keep our neighborhood in good shape.

If someone is afraid of the PIF thread, that is a fear they need to overcome. You cannot ask people not to stalk the thread. I watch it on occasion to see if some juice is posted that may tickle my fancy. The PIF concept is to help. We all want the same thing. I have added to PIF's just because. I have also posted what I felt was less than, but that was all I had. I also disagree on the whole asking someone that has stash not to take a pif. That's just not right. Maybe they don't the juices/whatever was PIF'd. Who says they shouldn't have it? I didn't think there was a limit on pif-ing. I honestly think we all need to rethink our angst about a lot of this. We are a group of strangers for the most part making friends which is awesome.

None of this is meant to sound harsh or hard or tonal (sometimes black letters on blank space come out in wrong tones). This is just my observation and opinions.

 

[jj2]

then why not wait til the issue with the board is resolved to do it then?...

That's what I would do. In the mean time, require all posters to state at the beginning of their post: Need or Want.

Want is not an emergency so no further explanation is needed.

When it comes to Need the poster should state: I need it now. I'll need it in the immediate future.
If nothing else, the 'now' need can be filled and fastest shipping used.

Have other posters pass the message along that until the clarification is met no need or want will be filled.

After that is done, leave it up to the each individual if they want to fill the Want or Need.

 

[BiancaMontgomery]

I think Rose, Toni and Bianca are doing a great job in "tweeking" these group threads.

I really appreciate everything you all are doing for the PIF group.

Hugs to all of you

Bless you child!

 

[firhill]

The closing of this thread and the opening of a new one is to clarify the above statement. "Only ask for things that you absolutely have to have to keep you vaping until your next check comes in"
To many folks dont understand "Need" vs "want" way to much of what is in here is a "want"....when you are demanding a specific item, turning down help, and seem to have "constant" Needs...obviously the message of what makes a need isnt clear enough.

If anyone can come up with a better solution to fix this issue, be happy to hear it.

Leave both the new and the old "need" threads open, but delete any post that is not a request or fulfilment from the new need thread.

Keeps everyone happy and allows those who don't mind weeding through a bunch of insignificant posts in the old need thread to keep doing so and also allows those of us who would rather see the real needs, to do so..at a glance.

Here's a question I wonder how most would answer/respond to...

If someone posts a need and they just finished talking about the cruise they just took or the car they just bought or the tax refund they just recieved, would you consider it a need?

 

[BiancaMontgomery]

Work with us a little bit guys, we're trying to protect our PIF family and make things clearer and better for everyone. It's as simple and as complicated as that.

 

[Gunjji]

Well, since this thread is still open, I can post my Need...
"Its my money, and I NEED it now!!
ok, im done

 

[pm2006]

i can tell u how, but i'm not 1 that does a lot of asking either.

my situation is i came back to the states w/ almost nothing due to finding out while my marriage meant a lot to me, apparently the vows meant little to her and apparently was just kidding. so i came back w/ nothing. no bank acct, no CC, no job. to a place where the job market is a joke and even McD's tells u not to bother applying because they have so many applicants already. anywho to the smoking. i did a bit of bumming but the majority i found odd jobs here and there to get $$, $10 here, $15 there, $30 there and used to buy tobacco for me to roll, and a pipe in case i didn't have enough for papers. well i started vaping to support my friend who's supposed to quit to keep his insurance. well he's decided vaping was too much of a hassle, doesn't want to deal w/ the learning curve etc. but that means he's not willing for me to hand him cash to use his CC anymore either. and u'd be surprised how few vendors even want to discuss a money order. even though it'd b me that'd have to wait longer. so typically support my habit through trades be it my modding skill/time or whatnot. and a few ppl r just really nice because they know my situation.

but really tib all it takes is no CC or paypal and u could b dead in the water. at least in my area where TW FL turned into the napa of e-cigs - u can't purchase on location, (but u can pick it up there the next day after u order online) and the only other supplies i've found are pre-filled carts by some company i've never heard of at an exorbitant price wher it'd b cheaper to buy the tobacco.

Demon. go to your local drug store and buy a prepaid reloadable cc. My hubby can't get a card and this is what he does. It works just like a cc and you can use it anywhere.

note that if/when the same statement is made about the PIF thread itself people get up in arms

If you are talking about closing it and reopening it, it's been done. Twice.

Wow.

I have been reading all of the posts and am not sure what to make of it all. It all seems kind of simple to me. PIF is a great place to be and has a lot of great people involved. I am sure you all agree. HyOnLyph has a great outlook that I cannot buy into, that's just me. That's what makes us all different.

There were some issues that each and every person deals with in their own way. It doesn't matter if I agree with how someone else handles a situation. I am not responsible for their feelings nor their actions. I am responsible for how I react to a situation. The Mods (all parts in tact) are responsible for handling unsuitable situations. It is our responsibility to pm a mod if we see something worth being notable. They then should handle it or not, according to ECF mod rules (or whatever you want to call them). We all have ideas and/or opinions that we feel strongly about, but this does not give us some passage to think we all need to be the same.

This is our neighborhood. We are not always going to agree on how something is taken care of. However, it is our responsibility to respect those that have been entrusted to keep our neighborhood in good shape.

If someone is afraid of the PIF thread, that is a fear they need to overcome. You cannot ask people not to stalk the thread. I watch it on occasion to see if some juice is posted that may tickle my fancy. The PIF concept is to help. We all want the same thing. I have added to PIF's just because. I have also posted what I felt was less than, but that was all I had. I also disagree on the whole asking someone that has stash not to take a pif. That's just not right. Maybe they don't the juices/whatever was PIF'd. Who says they shouldn't have it? I didn't think there was a limit on pif-ing. I honestly think we all need to rethink our angst about a lot of this. We are a group of strangers for the most part making friends which is awesome.

None of this is meant to sound harsh or hard or tonal (sometimes black letters on blank space come out in wrong tones). This is just my observation and opinions.

Beating Chuck rofl j/k I think we can ask people not to STALK the thread. If we don't, the same 6 people get what everyone needs. It happens all the time. Everytime some new vapers find pif, they camp out. Then they are gone. They don't camp out because they need this stuff (I have read their previous posts) they camp out just because they can. I think we need to discourage it so people like bluedove and others can also get what they need without having to ask for it.

I do agree about the stash thing (I must have missed the post. I didn't see that mentioned here). Everyone has a right to take a pif no matter how much they have. Noone has all the juices made to man and it's our nature to want to try everything. I just don't think that one or two people have a right to take the offers that everyone else is looking for.

None of this is meant to sound harsh or hard or tonal (sometimes black letters on blank space come out in wrong tones). This is just my observation and opinions.[/QUOTE] <---- Plagiarism.

 

[keyzygirl]

If they had to wait 5 offers before they could take again,they might think about it a lil more.

 

[the_larch]

If they had to wait 5 offers before they could take again,they might think about it a lil more.

Don't most people do that anyway? The only exception that I have seen was when (not naming names) jumped in on a few smaller offers (which from what I saw nobody was lunging for) over the course of a few hours.

It seems like the majority of the repeat faces that I see grabbing offers do so at most 3 times a week, Besides, should it really matter as long as new offers are being put up?

 

[skydragon]

I would like to say a few things and please excuse me as I tend to ramble when I try to explain how I "feel"

First though, I want to say I am so very, very, sorry about your friend Bonnie. Fate plays nasty tricks on us at times but at least your Harriet had months of joy because of you.

Okay here goes...................I can see a lot of points. I agree with Drozd for the most part as it once again seems like there is always a big shake up in the making when a problem arises and we do lose stability. I also agree that naming a thread an "Emergency" thread is rather pointless. In an emergency you need help immediately and that can not be given. It also seems to me that if a person will try to take advantage in the needs thread, they will do the same in an emergency thread. If they don't see the difference between a need and a want, they will convince themselves it is an emergency. (which can't be met)

I agree with Toni when she said that if you don't perceive something as a need, don't give it. Simple as that.

So...........a need or want. Which is it? I would like to point a few things out but know they are only my experiences.
I have struggled. Pay no attention to my sig because I still smoke but I wanted to put a ProVape sig up and that is all I could get. Spent money on things I couldn't afford just trying to get that something that would actually get me to quit. Wasted a ton of money (at least for me) on juices that I couldn't stand to vape. Tried reg atties and cartos which didn't do much for me.

So, yes I have struggled and I really think it would have been cheaper to just smoke. But, I want to quit!
Anyway, I finally tried a LR attie. and LR cartos. Made a world of difference to me. Thank God I found BWB because his juice has made a world of difference to me. I have cut down ten fold since I have been using them.

I tried a VV mod and for the first time went all day without a smoke. First time I felt satisfied. Now would I come on here and ask for a VV mod. No, of course not. Yes, I know some have asked for mods and I don't think that is right, but again, just ignore that. But lets get on to the atties and juice. I could come on here and ask for a LR attie and be offered a reg one. Which would be very thoughtful of someone but I would know I will smoke more with that. Want or need? If I asked for some juice to get me by and was offered something I know I hate is it so bad to ask for something that I know will keep me from at least smoking more than I am now? Want or need?

Everyone that offers anything is so giving and thoughtful but wouldn't it actually be taking advantage if I took something knowing it is not what I need to help me stay away from cigs. I could give it a shot but I think we all would have to admit that we know certain things just do not work for us. Then it would be a waste because it would sit here unused or as some probably do, hoard it to use at a later date to get something else. Now, that's wrong. Honestly, if I offered something, I would rather the person tell me if it is not something they would use. I wouldn't be offended, I would appreciate their honesty.

Again, need or want? I think at times especially with juice or atties, what seems like a want, could actually be a need in order to really help people stay away from cigs.

I hope that made sense.

 

[ToniAnne]

Wowsers... there is a lot to take in here!

I DO want to point out that you all have no idea what we as mods deal with in the background with the subforum of PIF. Someone else said it earlier, deciphering whether it is a need or a want is apparently too hard for some people to do, and if it continues as it has been going when it is changed to an emergency thread, then it will just be gone completely and those needs can be asked for in the wants thread. There should never be as many needs as there has been! Wants, yes, but not NEEDS. Our job as mods isn't to get 15 pm's a day about so and so posting this in this thread and this in another thread and they took this in another thread. It is to keep the PIF subforum running smoothly and making sure people are following ECF rules as well as PIF rules, and that is what we are trying to do. We are NOT trying to take things from you, we are trying to protect you. We didn't just say "Hey, wouldn't it be fun to make some members mad? Let's change the needs thread up a bit, that'll get em!" I mean, seriously! We wouldn't do something if it weren't in the best interest of the forum as a whole.

 

[BiohazardVideo]

Pardon me if I seem rude, but wouldn't it be easier to start a new thread to debate the issue?

 

[btngchck]

Beating Chuck rofl j/k <------LMAO

I think we can ask people not to STALK the thread. If we don't, the same 6 people get what everyone needs. It happens all the time. Everytime some new vapers find pif, they camp out. Then they are gone. They don't camp out because they need this stuff (I have read their previous posts) they camp out just because they can. I think we need to discourage it so people like bluedove and others can also get what they need without having to ask for it. <------ Ok, I agree with you here......


None of this is meant to sound harsh or hard or tonal (sometimes black letters on blank space come out in wrong tones). This is just my observation and opinions.

<---- Plagiarism.[/QUOTE] <-------I love it!!!

 

[btngchck]

If they had to wait 5 offers before they could take again,they might think about it a lil more.

I think this is an awesome idea!!

 

[Vchick]

Wow, well I've only been participating with the forum for a few short months, I wasn't aware of the open flood doors on this since the upgrades.

The open doors, thing with PIF is ALL subforums right now. It changed when they upgraded ECF. No one needs to be a member to post in any of the subforums at this time.
There isnt anything we can do about this, except wait been told that they are working on that.

B/C we have no idea when that glitch will be fixed, might be tommorrow, next week, three months from now.
We need a solution to this problem now.

In the past few weeks I've seen a noticeable increase in the number of new posters on both wants & needs, some of which I recalled seeing posts in other groups. Some, not suprising had just made some major purchases, or selling off pif and then coming to needs and were asking for help.

I'm not doubting some of what has gone on here, however sufice it to say, just because you call it "emergency" doesn't mean this is solving the problem, I've seen alot of runny noses in the emergency rooms, which were intended to be for treatment that didn't occur would mean loss of life or limb. Sorry for the analogy, however I don't think alot of people understand the old school ways of most of us. I think it's more of a sense of entitlement to some and speaks more of their upbringing. I don't really see any of the ones who I've questioned posting any comments here, why?

I really think that these should stay as is, if the poster is out of line, bring it to the mods attention and let them call them out. Change the guidelines and post new rules for posting, if the poster is off topic, they need to be deleted, It does seem to me that there has been way to much chit chat going on in these threads as of late. I haven't had enough time to read through all of this to get to the needs or wants and this hasn't necessarily related to the new posters, but also the regulars that I see here.

If there is any question to the validity of the posters request and another member wants to call them on it, pm a mod and let them review it and the mod then contact the poster.

I hate to see the ones that are genuinely generous to a fault feel run over by all of this.

This is my 2 cents..........otherwise YouTube - Gilda Radner Nevermind

 

[keyzygirl]

Thank you Toni,we know you guys are working hard to keep it all going smoothly.

 

[BiohazardVideo]

I just started vaping and have used PIF, I got some juice and have given some out. I understand the "stalker" stuff, but to be honest I'm broke after all the bills and have enough to get enough juice to get me by. I got some juice that I didn't like, but instead of returning it I gave it out. Am I to understand that I need to offer up 5 times before i get something? I was led to believe that this was an honor system. If you find people grabbing everything, ban them. Lets try to act like adults here.

 

[skydragon]

Wowsers... there is a lot to take in here!

I DO want to point out that you all have no idea what we as mods deal with in the background with the subforum of PIF. Someone else said it earlier, deciphering whether it is a need or a want is apparently too hard for some people to do, and if it continues as it has been going when it is changed to an emergency thread, then it will just be gone completely and those needs can be asked for in the wants thread. There should never be as many needs as there has been! Wants, yes, but not NEEDS. Our job as mods isn't to get 15 pm's a day about so and so posting this in this thread and this in another thread and they took this in another thread. It is to keep the PIF subforum running smoothly and making sure people are following ECF rules as well as PIF rules, and that is what we are trying to do. We are NOT trying to take things from you, we are trying to protect you. We didn't just say "Hey, wouldn't it be fun to make some members mad? Let's change the needs thread up a bit, that'll get em!" I mean, seriously! We wouldn't do something if it weren't in the best interest of the forum as a whole.

I don't think anyone is thinking you are trying to anger PIF members Toni. We know you are trying to protect the integrity. I suppose we just look back at what a cluster ... things became in the past but maybe we need to keep in mind that things are different now and honestly the fact that this thread is still going and you all are willing to at least listen, already shows that. And I agree, there shouldn't be as many needs as posted. As for what I wrote, I just tried to point out that sometimes what seems like a want could be a need. Heck if I know how you could tell the difference though.

I don't envy you all your task but I do thank you for letting people have their say even if you don't agree or the plan won't change. I think you two will be great mods.

 

[btngchck]

I just started vaping and have used PIF, I got some juice and have given some out. I understand the "stalker" stuff, but to be honest I'm broke after all the bills and have enough to get enough juice to get me by. I got some juice that I didn't like, but instead of returning it I gave it out. Am I to understand that I need to offer up 5 times before i get something? I was led to believe that this was an honor system. If you find people grabbing everything, ban them. Lets try to act like adults here.

No that would be taking a pif and waiting 5 more pif's before you took another one.

And yes, I think you mods are GREAT! and have a lot of chit to deal with.....

 

[BiohazardVideo]

Thank you for the clarification, I stand corrected. Now if we could start a new thread on the subject instead of clogging this thread up with debating we'd be doing great... lol