No worries m8 you'll like it, I love mine the temp control is done the same as my sx mini M class without as many sometimes confusing menu features lol. and double the battery life
Pioneer4You IPV4 : Unboxing, detailed look and thoughts, and first problems found
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Anyone get the Charging figured out? I heard the specs were 9v 2A Type H charging adaptor? I found a 12 V 2A charge locally at the source but not sure if it would down regulate the input voltage to 9V or if it would matter all that much,
Anybody try it out or have more info?
I really like the mod so far, Fire button is a little weird and mushy, but ive had worse.. The Screen is atrocious in the daylight
Anybody try it out or have more info?
I really like the mod so far, Fire button is a little weird and mushy, but ive had worse.. The Screen is atrocious in the daylight
What I've always believed with DC chargers is that the voltage must match. So I would never use a 12V in a 9V device. In general it's the amps that can be higher - so a 3A charger into a device that needs 2A is fine, for example (but not the other way around; if the device needs X amps, the DC charger must be able to provide X or greater.)
As for the charging in general - my understand is that the battery charging is only 450 mA per battery, so 900 mA total. In other words, slow and crap! My source for this is a UK mod making site who now have the Yihi 9v charging boards in stock for mod makers. Their spec says it's 450 mA per battery. Although a total of nearly 1A charging is maybe better than normal USB charging, it's still way slower than any external charger which should be able to do at least 1A per battery, and some do 2A.
In conclusion: I would definitely NOT try a 12V charger. I just looked up specs for the chargers sold for the IPV3, and as expected it's 9V/2A. That's the only spec charger I would try for IPV4. I have not tried it yet, and don't plan to any time soon, because I believe it to be only 450 mA per battery and that's crap. Perhaps that's wrong? It does say its' a 2A charger. But I think that must mean 2A drawn from the mains, not 2A going to the batteries, given that the Yihi balanced charging board is listed as definitely only sending 450 mA per battery and I can't believe there's more than one of those boards.
EDIT: I just saw that Maverix linked the Yihi Balance Charge Board; that's what I'm referring to above. But here's an interesting note - that link above says it requires 9V / 1A charger. Which makes sense given that it's sending 450 mA per battery.
But what's interesting is that the IPV3 and IPV4 chargers are clearly listed as 9V / 2A in their manuals.
So maybe it's just possible that that Yihi 9V balanced charging board is not the one that Pioneer4You are using. Maybe they do have 1A per battery charging, and aren't usng the Yihi board (or are using a different version that has not been released for mod makers.)
I am going to look for a 9V / 2A charger and test it out. I will first drain four Samsung 25Rs completely (well, down to 3.2V or whatever.) Then I will put two of them in my EFest Luc charger @ 1A. I will put the other two in the IPV4 on the 9V / 2A charger. I will then see which finishes charging first, in order to try and work out if the IPV4 is doing 450 mA charging or 1A charging.
I am not entirely sure p4y used the yihi 9v balancing board.
Here is the yihi (image from varitube):
Here is a close up of the ipv4 innards (image from a reddit post):
To me the pcb on the p4y one looks a bit smaller, and components on the board seem to have a different layout.
Here is the yihi (image from varitube):
Here is a close up of the ipv4 innards (image from a reddit post):
To me the pcb on the p4y one looks a bit smaller, and components on the board seem to have a different layout.
OK, interesting! Well spotted!
Well it would be great if it were a different board and really did 2A. That's still only 1A per battery, but that would still be useful because that's the ampage I tend to charge with on my external charger; it will do 2A but only two batteries at once, not four, so I tend to just leave it on 1A.
I will try that test when I get a chance - I have a huge bag full of DC chargers, there's a reasonably good chance I have a 9V/2A/3.5mm charger I can use already.
Well it would be great if it were a different board and really did 2A. That's still only 1A per battery, but that would still be useful because that's the ampage I tend to charge with on my external charger; it will do 2A but only two batteries at once, not four, so I tend to just leave it on 1A.
I will try that test when I get a chance - I have a huge bag full of DC chargers, there's a reasonably good chance I have a 9V/2A/3.5mm charger I can use already.
Please let me know what you find out on this if it is in fact a 1 amp per battery that would be awesome.
You guys are braver than me. After seeing that pic of the inside I definitely won't be using that on board charger.
I wont be using it all the time just if im out and about for long periods. better then lugging around a bay charger or extra batteries around.IMHO
Brave, stupid, fine line, etc
What concerned you so much about those photos? How can you tell just from that shot that it's going to be risky? It is all a bit crammed in I suppose?
Brave, stupid, fine line, etc
What concerned you so much about those photos? How can you tell just from that shot that it's going to be risky? It is all a bit crammed in I suppose?
^^^ Yep. That is what makes me uncomfortable.
pop open any cell phone or other vape its always tight quarters in most area's I think it will be fine. if not it has a warranty lol
Sadly I think we might be a year or three away from being able to hold our mods up against cell phones in quality / quality control comparisons
But yeah I personally will at least try the charger though, even if it's 1A/battery, I imagine I'll mostly use the external. I bought four extra batteries at the same time as my IPV4, so I now have eight 18650s in total - six at 2500mah, two at 2200mah - between two dual battery mods. More than enough at the moment to ensure whenever I run out of battery on either mod, I have another fully charged set already on the charger.
The only time the 9V brick would be of particular use to me is if I'm going away from home and I don't want to take my proper EFest charger.
But I will test it, a) For Science! and b) just so I have the option in case it ever comes up. I may well get a third 18650 mod soon and I might reach the point where it's useful to have in-mod charging so I don't have to keep buying more batteries.
Besides, there's always the slight chance that my external charger could die, in which case having at least one mod that can charge two batteries at a decent pace would be a good back up.
But all that depends on whether it is indeed 1A per battery. If it's 450 or 500 mA, I won't ever bother using it again I expect.
I'll report back over the weekend when I find a charger - and if I can't find one, I'll get a reasonably priced, regulated 9V/2A device from eBay or a component supplier. (It probably doesn't need or benefit from regulated but can't hurt to be safe.)
We are getting closer all the time the smok xpro m80 tells time. the Sx Mini screen automatically adjust's it's orientation ( Love this feature Btw ), alot of mods have blue tooth features. ,but yeah in the next years to come I think we will see some sweet stuff comming.Sadly I think we might be a year or three away from being able to hold our mods up against cell phones in quality / quality control comparisons
But yeah I personally will at least try the charger though, even if it's 1A/battery, I imagine I'll mostly use the external. I bought four extra batteries at the same time as my IPV4, so I now have eight 18650s in total - six at 2500mah, two at 2200mah - between two dual battery mods. More than enough at the moment to ensure whenever I run out of battery on either mod, I have another fully charged set already on the charger.
The only time the charger would be of particular use to me is if I'm going away from home and I don't want to take the whole charger.
But I will test it, a) For Science! and b) just so I have the option in case it ever comes up. I may well get a third 18650 mod soon and I might reach the point where it's useful to have in-mod charging so I don't have to keep buying more batteries.
Besides, there's always the slight chance that my external charger could die, in which case having at least one mod that can charge two batteries at a decent pace would be a good back up.
But all that depends on whether it is indeed 1A per battery. If it's 450 or 500 mA, I won't ever bother using it again I expect.
I'll report back over the weekend when I find a charger - and if I can't find one, I'll get a reasonably priced, regulated 9V/2A device from eBay or a component supplier. (It probably doesn't need or benefit from regulated but can't hurt to be safe.)
I love your optimism and positive outlook!
Yeah it is getting a lot better, and we're seeing some great tech. The Mini M is clearly a great piece of engineering.
But modern cell phones are masterpieces of high performance, low cost, miniature engineering. Mods are generally rectangular boxes with thick wires soldered by hand onto basic boards, and where we consider it a great design if it's not coated with layers of hot glue
I certainly wouldn't hold the IPV4 up as an example of anything good in terms of quality or quality control - it barely has any features that aren't buggy or not working at all. The list of firmware bugs is unusually long, even by mod standards. And that's not unique - look at the horrendous problems the DNA 40 had at launch, with bad screens and lots of dead units. Then there's the M80, which has a plain lie of a feature (TC which isn't TC), and a failure rate that must be approaching double-digits at least (loads of people are reporting dead units, and some people have had multiple units die.)
But yeah, it does have a clock!
(But, err, have you noticed that in the clock setting mode, it lets you configure February 31st or April 31st as a valid date? )Nah I don't mean to be super harsh. I love mods, I love what they let me do, and this stuff is getting better all the time. In a year - assuming legislation doesn't kill the market dead - we'll be seeing proper high quality products, produced in large volumes at low prices. We're still in that in-between stage where the market is big enough to get some clever new products released, but not so big that the companies involved are large and well organised and professional.
2015 really seems to be the year that vaping finds its feet, so there's bound to be loads of good new mods just round the corner, each one improving upon the last. Seems like it's a great time to be a vaper (again, the fear of legislation not withstanding.)
I love your optimism and positive outlook!
Yeah it is getting a lot better, and we're seeing some great tech. The Mini M is clearly a great piece of engineering.
But modern cell phones are masterpieces of high performance, low cost, miniature engineering. Mods are generally rectangular boxes with thick wires soldered by hand onto basic boards, and where we consider it a great design if it's not coated with layers of hot glue
I certainly wouldn't hold the IPV4 up as an example of anything good in terms of quality or quality control - it barely has any features that aren't buggy or not working at all. The list of firmware bugs is unusually long, even by mod standards. And that's not unique - look at the horrendous problems the DNA 40 had at launch, with bad screens and lots of dead units. Then there's the M80, which has a plain lie of a feature (TC which isn't TC), and a failure rate that must be approaching double-digits at least (loads of people are reporting dead units, and some people have had multiple units die.)
But yeah, it does have a clock!
Nah I don't mean to be super harsh. I love mods, I love what they let me do, and this stuff is getting better all the time. In a year - assuming legislation doesn't kill the market dead - we'll be seeing proper high quality products, produced in large volumes at low prices. We're still in that in-between stage where the market is big enough to get some clever new products released, but not so big that the companies involved are large and well organised and professional.
2015 really seems to be the year that vaping finds its feet, so there's bound to be loads of good new mods just round the corner, each one improving upon the last. Seems like it's a great time to be a vaper (again, the fear of legislation not withstanding.)
Lets hope to see this legislation nipped in ...., Governments don't need to overregulate this like they do with everything else and kill it.
I think one of the main things holding mods back is batteries, once the battery technology gets better,smaller, and more effiecent then they'll shine.
The boards are getting better all the time and the market for vaping is growing alot.
You should look into some Samsung 18650's for the iPV4 I just got a set of these
Samsung INR18650 30Q 3000mAh 15A High Drain Power Battery for E Cig | eBay
They should work fine as long as you don't vape at 100 watts constantly. the mAh rating on them is impressive and they seem to last a while for me.
Specs Can Be Found Here. samsung inr18650-30q inr18650 30q high drain imr18650 3.7v 3000mah li-ion battery cell
When these come to the market they will be perfect. for the iPv4
The LG INR18650HG2 LG Chem
Specs Here :LG Chem INR18650HG2 high drain 18650 li-ion battery imr18650 3000mah 20A discharge
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Just popping in to say thank you for how well written the comments are, so far, about this device (and matters surrounding it). It makes things so much easier on a buyer, or like me, a would-be buyer. I'll watch the video soon too. Cheers.
For those who want a quick look, here are some gratuitous "mod in hand" shots:
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