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Planned obsolescence is a policy of planning or designing a product with a limited useful life. In the 70s, US automakers were exposed as using this policy. Are PV hardware manufacturers doing the same? Are innovations to extend the useful life of batteries, atomizers, etc. suppressed? :confused: I'm not alleging anything, just asking for opinions and discussion.
 

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Do I believe china would do that u bet I do that is y I have A American made mechanical PV only user can mess it up strip threads ex. But if that happens I can buy new for 15$ or so .but china yea.my vamo bent in the first month .the o ring came out of the 510 con .the buttons fell into the mod .I have tore that thing apart a few times fixed it yes but come on
 

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    We are no doubt at the mercy of an evolving technology, but I would doubt that there is any planned conspiracy. Cheap junk from China is no different than cheap junk from Japan was back in the 50's. As soon as China evolves into a consumer nation instead of a manufacturing nation the cheap junk will just come from a different part of the world.
     

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    it's a very tricky game to play. If you have a big share of the market, like the american auto makers did, it's easier to make sub-par items and get away with it. This is due to the fact that people don't have anywhere else to go to purchase that product or it's equivalent. However, if the market share is low, and there are multiple options for consumers, the market will dictate the companies performance.

    The vape market is vast, multiple vendors creating various models everyday. The suppression of technology wouldn't make any sense, it is more of an issue with cost vs. performance. High end mods and low end devices both have a place in the market, it's up to the manufacturer to determine where they want their product to be. It is much harder to suppress tech in a global economy because there will always be someone out there that will strive to create the best product i.e. iphone vs. galaxy s#'s. Someone will try to better their market share with a better product.
     

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    Planned obsolescence is a policy of planning or designing a product with a limited useful life. In the 70s, US automakers were exposed as using this policy. Are PV hardware manufacturers doing the same? Are innovations to extend the useful life of batteries, atomizers, etc. suppressed? :confused: I'm not alleging anything, just asking for opinions and discussion.

    Great point. I was wondering this a couple weeks ago, as I daydreamed about "permanent attys" (seriously, as in never needing replacement, a girl can dream, can't she?) :closedeyes:

    What financial motivation do large scale manufacturers have to design long lasting parts?

    I can't think of any.

    But, on a bright note, I can see independent modders with "engineering tendencies".. aka, the mad scientist vapers (whom I love) coming up with a way to diecast parts and hardware mod them for a long lasting device.

    Or, am I just dreaming again? :)
     

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    You can dream all you want about long lasting devices but I tend to drop things... a lot and I think that is where a lot of our broken pieces come from overtightening, misthreading or being clumsy. That being said I have not bought a Clone anything and I have not had a mod break on me yet cross my fingers!!!
     

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    I think it's largely a case of things evolving.
    It starts off with the original idea, then people start coming up with things to improve the basic design (Ce4's with wicks to no wick CE5's being a good example, I think).
    I'm not bothered so long as batteries stay compatible with all of them (and I can see no reason, given the cigarette imitating general outline, why that should not continue).
     

    ZeroDisorder

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    Well, if we're talking about disposable atomizers, they're far cheaper than what they cost to produce. If you're talking about the steel/metal RBAs, they're going to last a long time...

    I mean, if you want absolutely unbreakable, go with a 1lb titanium hybrid. That'll take a beating, and could be used as a battering ram almost... (Think Maglite) You'd still have to deal with the cleaning process. I've had a SS wick and coil I used for 3 months without fiddling. That's the closest I've ever gotten.
     

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    Do I believe china would do that u bet I do that is y I have A American made mechanical PV only user can mess it up strip threads ex. But if that happens I can buy new for 15$ or so .but china yea.my vamo bent in the first month .the o ring came out of the 510 con .the buttons fell into the mod .I have tore that thing apart a few times fixed it yes but come on


    You're going to type out a post like that, and complain about quality? It apparent to me that the Chinese aren't the only ones with quality issues.

    The fact is if Americans didn't demand cheap disposable over long lasting quality then the so called Chinese junk would be so prevalent.
     

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    Planned obsolescence is a policy of planning or designing a product with a limited useful life. In the 70s, US automakers were exposed as using this policy. Are PV hardware manufacturers doing the same? Are innovations to extend the useful life of batteries, atomizers, etc. suppressed? :confused: I'm not alleging anything, just asking for opinions and discussion.

    No, it's just China building to a price. You pick the price, and China has the device for you.

    Tough
    Cheap
    Features

    Pick any two from this list.

    examples:

    K100: Tough and Cheap
    Vamo: Features and Cheap
    Provari: Tough and Features
    Steampunk mod: Huh?
     
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    I doubt it. Until someone comes up with a new battery technology that can be recharged more times, ecig makers are stuck with existing technologies. So, after being recharged some number of times, ecig batteries stop holding charge well, the same as any other rechargeable battery.

    And as far as atomizers go - if you are frying juice on a metal wire and it leaves rock hard residue that nothing short of physical scraping will get off, then it's going to degrade or break.
     

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    You're going to type out a post like that, and complain about quality? It apparent to me that the Chinese aren't the only ones with quality issues.

    The fact is if Americans didn't demand cheap disposable over long lasting quality then the so called Chinese junk would be so prevalent.
    You get what you pay for ! I did my resurch and found a mod that will take the test of time mechanicl mod yes dropped that thing six feet boom bounce and works still buffed out the scratch and all is good again !
     

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    I was writing an article on this topic just this morning. Before planned obsolescence was a "thing", there was always a race to make the best and longest lasting products around because you could charge more for them. Just a couple of generations ago, furniture you couldn't pass down to your kids when you died was considered trash. Do you imagine anyone is expecting their particle board desk from WalMart to end up in an antique shop one day?

    As for vapeware, I don't think it's gotten to that point yet. I believe the quality issues we see are because they're trying to make parts as inexpensive as possible to grab market share from smokers. While it seems like a lot of people are vaping when you hang out in this forum, in the real world, not so much.

    Until PVs become commonplace like cigarettes, we won't see planned obsolescence. When we do, it'll take one of 2 forms: Products that stop working (like printers that are literally programmed to stop working after X number of copies) or technological obsolescence (like how getting a new program sometimes means getting a newer version of Windows which sometimes means getting a new computer).
     
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